Weavile Counter

~Kazaam~ said:
Yeah, you lay Spikes down while he switches to Magnezone.....
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???

That's like saying skarm is useless at countering things because it is horribly countered by magnezone. Not to mention most don't switch inot it since EQ ultimately destroys it.
 
They asked for a Weaville counter, not all around team cover...
^exactly what I mean xD
 
Ok, well I'll edit my post with that new ReflectGoose set tomorrow. i'm on a different computer and I hate it so much cuz it's slow and hardly even works most of the time. Tomorrow I will try to come up with more sets. After that if we are all dedicated to finding good counters we could train all these guys and test them out on a Weavile ourselves. That way we can prove it works or doesn't. (doubt this'll happen)

~desu Saba~
 
I've got some good feedback on Aero. As for Hippowdon, I believe that if it has been used as a counter successfully, then yeah, it should be included. Judging by what Ooka says, I believe that it's worth of being considered a counter. If you don't think so fine, I just need more than one person to think that and have reason. (I'm having some trouble finding these % posts, they make no sense to me)

~desu Saba~
 
I know jack about hippowdon, I don't even know its typing :/

But I can tell you Aero doesn't counter weavile in its wildest dreams. Ice shard and ice punch both say hi as you switch in.
 
Sabaku no Gaara said:
I've got some good feedback on Aero. As for Hippowdon, I believe that if it has been used as a counter successfully, then yeah, it should be included. Judging by what Ooka says, I believe that it's worth of being considered a counter. If you don't think so fine, I just need more than one person to think that and have reason. (I'm having some trouble finding these % posts, they make no sense to me)

~desu Saba~
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I just gave you calculations that prove Hippowdon and Aerodactyl aren't countering Weavile anytime soon. If Aerodactyle switches in to an attack, even the weakest one like Aerial Ace, he can't survive the next hit which might be Ice Shard. Defensive Hippowdon doesn't 1HKO Weavile, and can't take Ice Punches well at all.
 
Forretress and Heatran are the 2 main things that can piss off a Weavile. And as nasty as Heatran is with that Special Attack, switching something in and expecting it to live is one thing you can forget.

~Kazaam~ said:
I don't know how many times I have to say it but yes, hippowdon can 1HKO a Weavile with Sand Stream. I've done it plenty of times.
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Then everyone who used Weavile against you must've been totally brainless to actually keep it in against a Hippowdon.
 
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Yanmega@Focus Sash.Wise Glasses
Modest
252 Sp. Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP

Hug Buzz
Protect
Air Slash/Hypnosis
HP Ice

Easliy OHKO's a non-Focus Sash Weavile, but the Focus Sash is there for otherwise. Protect first turn to Speed Boost. Focus Sash is a bad choice against SR users though, that is why Wise Glasses is another option.


~M51
 
~Kazaam~ said:
I don't know how many times I have to say it but yes, hippowdon can 1HKO a Weavile with Sand Stream. I've done it plenty of times.
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Defensive Hippowdon doesn't 1HKO Weavile, and I don't know how many times I need to say this.


*Damage calcs from impish Hippowdon 252 HP/Def/4 Atk on jolly Weavile 40 HP (the standard Weavile): 58% - 69% - even with Sandstream it doesn't come close to 1HKO.
 
There are so many other variables that will alter the situation. You can't say "Oh, Weavile will NEVER get OHKO'd by a defensive Hippowdon", because yes, it's perfectly possible. Seen it done multiple times. Don't state things as if YOU'RE the only correct person here, because you aren't. Pokemon has so many wild variables that affect every single move you make... and besides, judging by calculations alone won't get you anywhere, especially in a strategy game.
 
Syaoran said:
Defensive Hippowdon doesn't 1HKO Weavile, and I don't know how many times I need to say this.


*Damage calcs from impish Hippowdon 252 HP/Def/4 Atk on jolly Weavile 40 HP (the standard Weavile): 58% - 69% - even with Sandstream it doesn't come close to 1HKO.
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Enough with the calculations, I can't follow them for one thing. xD And if there are accounts on OHKO'ing then yeah it is possible. Calculations don't mean anything if it's happened multiple times before. Jump off the Hippowdon subject because I think a majority of us consider it a counter. (I think four people since my last post, including me, against one since last post.)

Ok, how about this (this'll seem crazy) Weavile as the Weavile counter. I think it could work. Brick Break, it may be faster with perfect IVs (speed) and EV training. So I think it could cause an opponent Weavile some hefty damage, and it can switch into Ice and Dark type moves from the opponent Weavile.

~desu Saba~
 
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Most Weavile use Focus Sash these days (mine included), and so Mach Punch Breloom may not be the best counter. If the Weavile has Aerial Ace, then that Breloom's dead.

I'd say that the best weavile counter is Hippowdon, or basically any decent tanks that resist Ice. Aero could be a good counter if it were Jolly.
 
Now wait a minute, Syaoran has provided more facts here than anyone, and you're just brushing off that opinion? Sorry, but I never see any attacking variants of hippowdon. Since defensive hippowdon is run almost all the time, it's safe to say that it in fact IS NOT a weavile counter.

Guys, it's kind of like saying Gengar counters alakazam If your gengar has a choice scarf, and then instantly assuming "Gengar is a Zam counter," when only one set (a rare one at that) counters standard Zam (and even that one kind of doesn't, but that's beside the point). So it goes both ways :/

EDIT: Aero can't counter Weavile to save its life.
 
Seriously steel types are its best counter as they resist both its stab moves and generally brush of its attacks e.g : - Forretress, Skarmory, Metagross etc whom have already been mentioned. I found that even Bulky Gyarados loled at it aswell with or without Stone Edge in the Gyarados's moveset.

I know this has already been mentioned by numerous people, but adding to Anti-Pops post : - A counter must be able to switch in and take the hit, then cause a threat to the opposing pokemon, so it cannot do anything to you thus causing a probable switch.
 
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Aero will be taken off the list, but I still stick with Ooka's Hippowdon. Since he's said it acted as a counter in numerous occasions, and many people (now 5 since last last post) believe it works well. I understand an Ice Punch is Super Effective, and I myself don't get how it survives, but it does. This battle between everyone is just going back and forth. I understand that Syaoran is providing a lot of facts, but they don't matter if they have been proven wrong by what Ooka and Pride Reaper have said. I appreciate the facts even if they make no sense to me whatsoever, and no I'm not brushing off the opinion. I'm just saying that it has been done, and so what is, is no matter how many facts you have to back it up.

IDEA!: How bout Ooka battles someone with a standard Weavile and see if it can counter, but don't plan everything. Just say bring Weavile and Hippowdon then battle. And like scientists, we will do it a few times just to check to see if the outcome changes.
~desu Saba~
 
I'd be more than happy to tell you how many hippos I slayed with my Weavile right soon after D/P came out and they all were destroyed...Weavile always has 3HKOed it and, while left with little HP remaining, does often beat the hippo, more than the hippo beats it.
 
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