What do you think of this movement?

[RTHookers]

Lol @ What I told you on MSN. People will just read and go LOLOMG FEMINISM CRAP DELETE TOPIC AHHHHH UBER MENCE (I HAD TO INCLUDE COMPETITIVE REFERENCE)

Honestly people make proper comments. And yeah tbh most of this looks like crap to me. < I fail at understanding things, really I suck at it. No wonder I'm in a class that helps students that have problems in school lololol.

 

[TheUltimateSacrifice]

Sounds swell. People just don't give women their dues, anne frankly, I am at the end of my tether with the lack of gender equality and mutual respect.

 

[Dawn]

Lol @ What I told you on MSN. People will just read and go LOLOMG FEMINISM CRAP DELETE TOPIC AHHHHH UBER MENCE (I HAD TO INCLUDE COMPETITIVE REFERENCE)

*Hands RTH $5* >_>; I tried to prevent this... I swear.

First of all guys, if you're insinuating that there are not places where women do not have equal rights you're crazy.

Second of all, The movement very clearly targets women who are located in said areas where things are definitely not okay.

If the ignorance about "feminism" doesn't stop drowning out REAL discussion I'm just going to request a close on the thread due to threadfail. =/

 

[Cherrim]

I can't view the links in OP's post because lol work computer with no flash. 8/

But... feminism isn't inherently bad and so what if this is a feminist movement? It's empowering women in third world countries and there's nothing wrong with that. It's not like the movement is going out of its way to say "ONLY WOMEN ARE WORTHY OF THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPERIOR", it sounds more like it's trying to say "we want to give women a chance to prove that they are equal in power to men". And I don't see anything wrong with that.

I hate the feminists who claim superiority as much as the next person but this really doesn't feel that way to me, just based on what I've read. :/

(edit: Though I do agree there would definitely be a double standard in that if a charity decided to try the same thing, but specifying that only men could benefit from it, people would be throwing fits left and right over equality. Hmm.)

 

[Fox♠]

Sounds a bit too idealistic and feminist imo. If the solution really is that simple, why not just have governments enforce laws that make current business owners do these things that this one ubiquitous girl can do? XD

^ he's right.

Don't get me wrong, the idea on paper is great, but in practice? it's never that black and white, as soon as the girl starts a business, human nature will inevitably kick in and she'll more than likely exploit people to boost her own profit.

It's like communsim, great on paper, not so great in action.

 

[Dawn]

(edit: Though I do agree there would definitely be a double standard in that if a charity decided to try the same thing, but specifying that only men could benefit from it, people would be throwing fits left and right over equality. Hmm.)

From what I've researched it seems to be targeting a certain group of women that have no chance to contribute to society and it seems like they suggest that due to the social position of these women they could have a huge impact on society in general if they were given more of a chance.

Chances are, their husbands do have a chance seeing as how they probably support the family.

It's not feminism or sexism so much as it is a healthy dose of the big picture and a plan that's intended to improve life in general.

I think perhaps it would be far less effective to be giving the money to the gender with the role that just so happens to have significantly more of a chance to begin with. The positions could theoretically be reversed, but they're not. Y'know?

I can't view the links in OP's post because lol work computer with no flash. 8/

The site's main movie is also on Youtube, if you just so happen to be able to view that.

 

[Cherrim]

Yeah, I didn't even bother with the YT link 'cause I can't view it here. It'll have to wait until I get home. u_u;

 

[Dawn]

Yeah, I didn't even bother with the YT link 'cause I can't view it here. It'll have to wait until I get home. u_u;

'Tis okay. Thanks for being objective. The poorly re-sesearched "FEMINISM!!1one" responses were making me emo.

 

[Guillermo]

I think the whole reason a girl was mentioned is that men can't produce children, obviously, which leads us to think that if it was a male it wouldn't be as powerful.

Like someone else said, everything would have to go perfect for that to work. Perfect.

 

[Esper]

It sounds like a good program. I've heard of things like it where instead of giving aid in the form of food you buy people land and some seeds, or a cow, and let them have the tools to sustain themselves. It's the old 'give a man a fish/teach a man to fish' idea, but with girls. And that's fine. You have to try new approaches to help people if the ones you're trying now aren't working.

 

[Dawn]

Like someone else said, everything would have to go perfect for that to work. Perfect.

I think perhaps you should take into mind that it's aimed at a LOT of girls, and that perhaps the chance of success isn't so low that none would succeed.

Is it unreasonable to say that giving someone something as little as a chance would heavily outweigh the losses of giving many a chance if a couple went well?

 

[NOOBLMAO]

Okay, I think I can see where you're coming from. There shouldn't be men's movements and women's movements, there should just be one movement for equality and rights? I can totally get behind that as a dual supporter of women's and men's rights in England, and a self-described equalist, but I think that in cases like this you have to have a separate movement.

This movement in particular is dealing with countries where women have limited or no rights - where they are treated as bits of furniture, things that can be sold off or gotten rid of at will. People who are treated as objects. Without wishing to sound Feminazi, these are countries where men hold all of the cards, whether they be in positions of power, in the local community, or just in the home. Whilst these countries are also areas where men are largely disenfranchised, they do still have ownership of themselves, and ergo a chance to do something. Their women, on the other hand, do not even have this basic right. That is what the movement is attempting to target - giving women some sort of empowerment so that they can help, possibly help fight alongside their fellow man.

Having a movement which only looks at one sector of society is not always discriminatory. It's like saying that there shouldn't have been any movements exclusively assisting black people during the race for equality, because there are white people who are poor and maltreated. The logic doesn't always work, unfortunately. As I said above, I'm a supporter of male and female rights, particularly in the area of domestic and abuse and rape - I admit that male rape and domestic violence is taken far less seriously than female rape and domestic abuse (which is taken not that seriously at all still, even in the big ol' C21). However, I believe that there ought to be separate movements for both, because both tackle different views in society: namely that women cry rape at every opportunity, and that men can't be raped full-stop. In the future, when social views have progressed, then there could be an institution that deals with both - but right now, the matters require separate dealings. Ditto in countries the OP movement is trying to help, where men are poor and disenfranchised, and women are poor and have no ownership of themselves.

I hope that made some sort of sense and wasn't tl;dr ranty.

So you believe that "separate but equal" is really equality?

Looking at girleffect's fact sheet, it seems that what the girls really lack is education. Instead of giving them cows and all the separate roles that go with it, why not work to get them in schools with the boys?

(Also, men can be raped. see: prison rape.)

 

[Pokémon Ranger ✩ Moriarty]

So you believe that "separate but equal" is really equality?

Looking at girleffect's fact sheet, it seems that what the girls really lack is education. Instead of giving them cows and all the separate roles that go with it, why not work to get them in schools with the boys?

(Also, men can be raped. see: prison rape.)

No, I'm saying that right now women's and men's rights need to be considered separately until cultures like this understand that it is possible for men and women to be equal. Then they can work together in equalising rights. Also, giving them cows etc. is perfect for their country's economy. It wouldn't work in England, where we don't have a strong agricultural base, but it would work somewhere like Africa which relies on agriculture.

And yes. I know. I was saying that I do not support the theory that men can't be raped.

 

[Dawn]

So you believe that "separate but equal" is really equality?

Nobody wants equality of genders. We're fighting for equal rights, not equality.

Looking at girleffect's fact sheet, it seems that what the girls really lack is education. Instead of giving them cows and all the separate roles that go with it, why not work to get them in schools with the boys?

If you watched the movie on their website, you'd see that they plan to do exactly that. I just checked and fairly early on as part of how they save said theoretical girl's life they "put her in a school uniform"

(Also, men can be raped. see: prison rape.)

???
I don't recall someone saying they couldn't.

 

[JakeyBoy]

I'll admit, at first I was in the same crowd as some others here, interpreting it as a charitable movement that completely ignores one demographic for no good reason. But then I read a bit more closely and realized why it was called the girl "effect". The empowerment is supposed to convince other women to make a bigger impact on society, which then has a massive effect on economy. It'd work in a perfect world, but I doubt that many women would be motivated by someone who is given a significant amount of help.

 

[The Cynic]

They don't take no for an answer do they. I thought the world was alright and they made me pick the other option.

It encourages people in ELDCs to take out loans which is a big No-no in my book. It also talks-down the dramatic effect of science in improving peoples' lives.

In conclusion, it does not have my support.

 

[NOOBLMAO]

No, I'm saying that right now women's and men's rights need to be considered separately until cultures like this understand that it is possible for men and women to be equal. Then they can work together in equalising rights. Also, giving them cows etc. is perfect for their country's economy. It wouldn't work in England, where we don't have a strong agricultural base, but it would work somewhere like Africa which relies on agriculture.

And yes. I know. I was saying that I do not support the theory that men can't be raped.

I think I'm being too idealistic and not practical enough. I hope the charity makes more people happy.

(Sorry, I misread about the rape thing.)

 

[hiphiphippo]

this sorta reminds me of another charity thing, the heifer project (they give a family an animal that you pay for and animal = moar stuff happening!)
except the video makes it seem more dramatic and far-fetched
i think this could work, but they'd need a lot of support instead of "leaving the rest to the girl"

 

[Guillermo]

I think perhaps you should take into mind that it's aimed at a LOT of girls, and that perhaps the chance of success isn't so low that none would succeed.

Is it unreasonable to say that giving someone something as little as a chance would heavily outweigh the losses of giving many a chance if a couple went well?

I think perhaps you need to take into mind that one or two girls around the entire world who do so aren't going to change the lives of everyone else on Earth.

 

[Zet]

To lower HIV, I just wear a condom and the problem is already half way gone.

Also how did a girl who owns a business of milking a herd of cows be able to bring clean water to a village? Wouldn't she need all the clean water for her cows first? Also giving her a school uniform and then taking it away just to milk a cow is stupid, they should have made her finish high school and college before giving her a horrible job that is done by machines now.


Though the music was pretty neat.