5th Gen Where is Isshu? Confirmed - New York

[Guy]

Guys, guys, please there's no need to start straying this thread off-topic because you two (i.e. coolnick37 and rocky505) disagree about exactly where the Isshu region is located in real life. To be honest, you can point out as many facts as you need giving evidence to where it's located, but without official confirmation, no one can say "Yes, the Isshu region is based off of ____ and I know it for a fact." All you guys can do is speculate, bring up evidence, and simply discuss it. Yes, you can disagree and voice your opinion, but don't let it get to your head when there's no actual confirmation yet.

If things start to go off-topic again, all those involved in bringing the topic astray once more will be given an infraction for Spam/Off-topic posting, and this thread may also be closed; ending the discussion because members cannot behave mature enough to discuss something that can only be speculated upon.

As for the whole one person representing Shanghai and the other person representing NYC, I don't see how that'll work out. I think anyone should be able to voice their opinion on the matter with their own given evidence rather than one person representing it for them. :\ Plus, it may only create more conflict. So, I say continue with the discussion of "Where is Isshu?" but keep it as a discussion for everyone like it was set up to be.

Thank you and sorry for the tl;dr, but you may now proceed.

 

[coolnick37]

Guys, guys, please there's no need to start straying this thread off-topic because you two (i.e. coolnick37 and rocky505) disagree about exactly where the Isshu region is located in real life. To be honest, you can point out as many facts as you need giving evidence to where it's located, but without official confirmation, no one can say "Yes, the Isshu region is based off of ____ and I know it for a fact." All you guys can do is speculate, bring up evidence, and simply discuss it. Yes, you can disagree and voice your opinion, but don't let it get to your head when there's no actual confirmation yet.

If things start to go off-topic again, all those involved in bringing the topic astray once more will be given an infraction for Spam/Off-topic posting, and this thread may also be closed; ending the discussion because members cannot behave mature enough to discuss something that can only be speculated upon.

As for the whole one person representing Shanghai and the other person representing NYC, I don't see how that'll work out. I think anyone should be able to voice their opinion on the matter with their own given evidence rather than one person representing it for them. :\ Plus, it may only create more conflict. So, I say continue with the discussion of "Where is Isshu?" but keep it as a discussion for everyone like it was set up to be.

Thank you and sorry for the tl;dr, but you may now proceed.

K sorry once again for straying off topic.
As for this:

As for the whole one person representing Shanghai and the other person representing NYC, I don't see how that'll work out. I think anyone should be able to voice their opinion on the matter with their own given evidence rather than one person representing it for them.

It wasnt exactly like that person will be representing it, im sorry for the bad choice of words, i meant just that one person will collect clues for NYC and one for shanghai, so we could have all the evidence in one place so that we may see which theory has more evidence for now(since the irst post containing hints to them is jsut old) and every1 is welcome to state their opinion ofc.

 

[Guy]

It wasnt exactly like that person will be representing it, im sorry for the bad choice of words, i meant just that one person will collect clues for NYC and one for shanghai, so we could have all the evidence in one place so that we may see which theory has more evidence for now(since the irst post containing hints to them is jsut old) and every1 is welcome to state their opinion ofc.

Now it makes more sense. It doesn't bother me if one decides to collect viable information that is laid out for everyone or if one person collects information for Shanghai and the other for NYC. Really, it only takes one person active enough in this thread to do it; but being bias on your stand couldn't influence it. Also, Kirbychu seems to be doing fine in keeping the first post up to date with evidence between the two locations. If anything, and if it isn't a problem for him, then information can be PM'd to either Kirbychu or Forever to update the first post when need be. As long as things stay on topic. If you want, I'd bring up your idea to Forever, so she is notified and can give the call on the situation, since this is her section more than it is mines. All things cleared up, please continue your discussion and let the past argument be left behind us.

 

[rocky505]

Kirbychu you should add to NYC's list that they played an american song on Pokemon Sunday while watching footage of it. They played Micheal Jackson's black or white song

 

[Mana1]

Kirbychu you should add to NYC's list that they played an american song on Pokemon Sunday while watching footage of it. They played Micheal Jackson's black or white song

I don't think this counts as evidence... Michael Jackson was big world wide, no doubt in Japan too.

 

[rocky505]

I don't think this counts as evidence... Michael Jackson was big world wide, no doubt in Japan too.

It was a song written in America so it counts.

 

[coolnick37]

just a suggestion to kirbichu, he could delete the clues that are true for both of them like subway, routes restarting and isshu being far away, since that just seems unnecessary.
Btw. would that still be ok if me and MRAS made a post with clues of both theories, and then kirbichu can write the ones he missed to the first post.

Kirbychu you should add to NYC's list that they played an american song on Pokemon Sunday while watching footage of it. They played Micheal Jackson's black or white song

Pokemon sunday is a pokemon show, they are not a part of GF
They, them self could not know where is isshu based of, since GF itself never acknowledged the fact that ex-regions were based on real life places, except kanto had the same name as its rl counterpart, but they never acknowledged it as a real region in japan.

So the only hints we can find about isshus setting in rl (if it even is in rl) is from GF hints.

 

[yellowbird]

just a suggestion to kirbichu, he could delete the clues that are true for both of them like subway, routes restarting and isshu being far away, since that just seems unnecessary.
Btw. would that still be ok if me and MRAS made a post with clues of both theories, and then kirbichu can write the ones he missed to the first post.



Pokemon sunday is a pokemon show, they are not a part of GF
They, them self could not know where is isshu based of, since GF itself never acknowledged the fact that ex-regions were based on real life places, except kanto had the same name as its rl counterpart, but they never acknowledged it as a real region in japan.

So the only hints we can find about isshus setting in rl (if it even is in rl) is from GF hints.

I don't think that all of the things both locations have should be taken from the list, because it's not like they contradict each other, it's just that those are prerequisites that both locations have.

And as for Pokémon Sunday, that was where Zerkrom's type was leaked, or well... that girl accidentally let it slip. But still.

 

[coolnick37]

I don't think that all of the things both locations have should be taken from the list, because it's not like they contradict each other, it's just that those are prerequisites that both locations have.

And as for Pokémon Sunday, that was where Zerkrom's type was leaked, or well... that girl accidentally let it slip. But still.

Wasnt zekrom type revealed on a blog of some dude from nintendo. Well anyway, they do have prerelease info, they probably knew all pokemon that are gonna be ingame, and have already played the game, but they do not know stuff like isshus real life setting, because nintendo(neither has poke sunday) has never stated that pokemon regions were based after rl locations, and even if they would get asked that queston, they would probably answer with a no.

pokemon regions being based on rl places are all pure speculation, we cant even know if sinnoh or hoenn are based on the japanese regions, since that info isnt official, and have in mind that poke sunday never before said anything about real life places of pokemon regions, because they dont know it and they arent allowed to say that, since its unnfficial.

 

[yellowbird]

Wasnt zekrom type revealed on a blog of some dude from nintendo. Well anyway, they do have prerelease info, they probably knew all pokemon that are gonna be ingame, and have already played the game, but they do not know stuff like isshus real life setting, because nintendo(neither has poke sunday) has never stated that pokemon regions were based after rl locations, and even if they would get asked that queston, they would probably answer with a no.

pokemon regions being based on rl places are all pure speculation, we cant even know if sinnoh or hoenn are based on the japanese regions, since that info isnt official, and have in mind that poke sunday never before said anything about real life places of pokemon regions, because they dont know it and they arent allowed to say that, since its unnfficial.

It was a girl, one of the hosts on Pokémon Sunday, but yes, it was a blog. either way, I'm just saying that you can't discredit them for not being Game Freak.

And that was what I had been saying for the last few pages. xD This may never be settled, but we can debate it all we want.

 

[coolnick37]

here is something from the new trailers(which are pretty awsome, i just omg-ed while watching it)

Aparently shikijika is found in the grassy areas near a river in isshu. There is a water deer in shaghai that is found around the river yangtze, the one on the right. So that would poin that shikijia could represent Shanghai water deer.

Also since the thing with me and MRAS combining theories, isnt going very well, (he hasnt replied to me yet)
Kirbichu would it be possible to add these clues to the shanghai clues on the first page?

- Hihidaruma is based of the daruma doll, which is representation of bodidharma, which is the fouder of chinese martial arts, and zen budhism, which, would show hihidaruma s an asian pokemon.

- Shippou City is named after a Buddhist term for the "Seven Precious Treasures," so it would be a connection to buddhism. Budhism is mostly worshiped through asia, and is a major religion in China.

- Giant like in the middle of isshu, is in the exact same spot as taihu lake in china, and has an island in it, like the lake in china has yeshan island in it.

- Quindaohu lake is also on the same spot as another lake in isshu, which is located above the windmills that are shown on the map.

- Isshu has a large dessert in the area above Hiuin city, neither NYC or shanghai have deserts there, but china is famous for having 2 of the worlds biggest deserts, gobi and takla-makan.

- The government has moved almost all factories within downtown to either outskirts of Shanghai or the neighboring Jiangsu and Zhejiang Province in the last two decades.
-This could be rerenced to the abandoned factory in the woods, that we have seen in the prerelease pictures.

- Shanghai region is the same size as every other Pokemon region and NYC is literally 1/6th the size of Kanto.

- A city in china, Suzhou is exactly on the Isshu map where the town that has the farris wheel is built and what proves their further connection s that it is built on water just like Suzhou is.

- The farris wheel in Suzhou is the 3rd largest farris wheel on earth, and in the trailers it is shown as as the highest point in city. On the other hand NYC doesnt have a Farris wheel n those parts.

- That "Hiun" can be written in Kanji to mean "Cloud flying through the sky", a reference to Son Goku and the "Journey to the West", one of the most famous books in china.

- Isshu is the Japanese reading of the kanji used for the old name of a province of China back in the Tang dynasty.

- Zoroark, a fox pokemon is most likely based on a huli jing, a chinese spirit fox, which can change its appearance. More to this is that movie zoroark is female, and huli jing foxes were mostly females.

- Shanghai area also has windmills in its rural areas like isshu on its upper part, whilst NYC doesn't. And china is currently worlds 2nd producer of wind energy, and it is soon to be no1 as it is growing its production.

- If mamanbou turns out to be a luvdisc evo, that would hint towards shangahi more, because shanghai is closer to hoenn so it would make sense for it to be in this region.

- Possibility that Iris which is isshus native resident is Chinese,because her character design is a very common stereotype used in a large variety of anime for Chinese girl, like clothing with very wide open sleeves, and her hair is shaped in 2 pon-pons which represents chinese girls(if u dont know what im talking about, remember street fighter, chun-li :D )

 

[Kizerzin]

@CoolNick I aint trying to knock ur windmill fact down but New york has them in the rural areas too :P

 

[coolnick37]

@CoolNick I aint trying to knock ur windmill fact down but New york has them in the rural areas too :P

Oh it does? Sorry, i just didnt know NYC has rural areas at all in that area. XP
But there is the fact, that china is nearing the no1 worlds biggest producer of wind energy collected through these windmills.

Also just one little thing, shanghai has homless people/backpackers too(every country has), so I dont see how that is any reference to america, kirbichu i think that should be deleted.

 

[Ho-Oh]

here is something from the new trailers(which are pretty awsome, i just omg-ed while watching it)

Aparently shikijika is found in the grassy areas near a river in isshu. There is a water deer in shaghai that is found around the river yangtze, the one on the right. So that would poin that shikijia could represent Shanghai water deer.

Also since the thing with me and MRAS combining theories, isnt going very well, (he hasnt replied to me yet)
Kirbichu would it be possible to add these clues to the shanghai clues on the first page?

- Hihidaruma is based of the daruma doll, which is representation of bodidharma, which is the fouder of chinese martial arts, and zen budhism, which, would show hihidaruma s an asian pokemon.

- Shippou City is named after a Buddhist term for the "Seven Precious Treasures," so it would be a connection to buddhism. Budhism is mostly worshiped through asia, and is a major religion in China.

- Giant like in the middle of isshu, is in the exact same spot as taihu lake in china, and has an island in it, like the lake in china has yeshan island in it.

- Quindaohu lake is also on the same spot as another lake in isshu, which is located above the windmills that are shown on the map.

- Isshu has a large dessert in the area above Hiuin city, neither NYC or shanghai have deserts there, but china is famous for having 2 of the worlds biggest deserts, gobi and takla-makan.

- The government has moved almost all factories within downtown to either outskirts of Shanghai or the neighboring Jiangsu and Zhejiang Province in the last two decades.
-This could be rerenced to the abandoned factory in the woods, that we have seen in the prerelease pictures.

- Shanghai region is the same size as every other Pokemon region and NYC is literally 1/6th the size of Kanto.

- A city in china, Suzhou is exactly on the Isshu map where the town that has the farris wheel is built and what proves their further connection s that it is built on water just like Suzhou is.

- The farris wheel in Suzhou is the 3rd largest farris wheel on earth, and in the trailers it is shown as as the highest point in city. On the other hand NYC doesnt have a Farris wheel n those parts.

- That "Hiun" can be written in Kanji to mean "Cloud flying through the sky", a reference to Son Goku and the "Journey to the West", one of the most famous books in china.

- Isshu is the Japanese reading of the kanji used for the old name of a province of China back in the Tang dynasty.

- Zoroark, a fox pokemon is most likely based on a huli jing, a chinese spirit fox, which can change its appearance. More to this is that movie zoroark is female, and huli jing foxes were mostly females.

- Shanghai area also has windmills in its rural areas like isshu on its upper part, whilst NYC doesn't. And china is currently worlds 2nd producer of wind energy, and it is soon to be no1 as it is growing its production.

- If mamanbou turns out to be a luvdisc evo, that would hint towards shangahi more, because shanghai is closer to hoenn so it would make sense for it to be in this region.

- Possibility that Iris which is isshus native resident is Chinese,because her character design is a very common stereotype used in a large variety of anime for Chinese girl, like clothing with very wide open sleeves, and her hair is shaped in 2 pon-pons which represents chinese girls(if u dont know what im talking about, remember street fighter, chun-li :D )

I updated it for you instead!
/had nothing better to do

Though those reasons are quite convincing. Sort of. I still think it may be NY, so yeah.

 

[coolnick37]

I updated it for you instead!
/had nothing better to do

Though those reasons are quite convincing. Sort of. I still think it may be NY, so yeah.

thank you :D
Btw. I think we will definitley get more clues as the games come out. Just like this one with shikijika.

P.S. Forever u just forgot to incude the shikijika speculation too :3

 

[Kirbychu]

Arguments for NYC

• Shaped like Isshu aside from the right peninsula.
  
• High Link is located where Central Park should be
• Pokemon like Wargle and the pigeon could reference America
  
• Docks
• A Pokemon Center (Now Nintendo World) use to be in New York
• Protagonists clothes
• Amusement park may be a reference to Coney Island
• The Liberty Ticket takes you to an island with a tower where Victini can be found, this could reference the Statue of Liberty
• The emphasis of the letter "V" with Victini could reference this.
• Bridges
• The people on Pokemon Sunday who delivered the news of the starters are dressed like the people who deliver newspapers in NYC
• People of varying nationalities
• American Football Players
• Pokemon Musicals could reference Broadway

Arguments for Shanghai

• Shaped like Isshu, and the right peninsula matches up better
  
• Mountains
• Bridges match-up extremely well, better than NYC
  
• More rural areas
• Old vs. New could reference the contrast between nature and technology in China
• Pokemon Musicals could reference Chinese Opera
• The speculated Yin-Yang theme of the game
  
• One could argue that the Pokemon are based on Chinese animals. Apparently Shikijika is found in the grassy areas near a river in Isshu. There is a water deer in Shanghai that is found around the river Yangtze, the one on the right. So that would point out that Shikijia could represent Shanghai water deer. Wargle could be a Chinese eagle.
  
• Hihidaruma is based of the daruma doll, which is representation of Bodhidharma, which is the founder of Chinese martial arts, and zen Buddhism, which, would show Hihidaruma s an Asian Pokemon.
• Shippou City is named after a Buddhist term for the "Seven Precious Treasures," so it would be a connection to Buddhism. Buddhism is mostly worshiped through Asia, and is a major religion in China.
• Giant like in the middle of Isshu, is in the exact same spot as Taihu lake in china, and has an island in it, like the lake in China has Yeshan island in it.
• Quindaohu lake is also on the same spot as another lake in Isshu, which is located above the windmills that are shown on the map.
• Isshu has a large dessert in the area above Hiuin city, neither NYC or Shanghai have deserts there, but china is famous for having 2 of the worlds biggest deserts, Gobi and Takla-makan.
• The government has moved almost all factories within downtown to either outskirts of Shanghai or the neighboring Jiangsu and Zhejiang Province in the last two decades. This could be referenced to the abandoned factory in the woods that we saw in the prerelease pictures.
• In China there is a city named Suzhou known for being built on water and having the world's 3rd largest Ferris wheel. There is a city in Isshu built on water with a Ferris wheel in the exact location.
  
• "Hiun" can be written in Kanji to mean "Cloud flying through the sky", a reference to Son Goku and the "Journey to the West", one of the most famous books in china.
• Isshu is the Japanese reading of the kanji used for the old name of a province of China back in the Tang dynasty.
• Zoroark, the evil fox Pokemon is most likely based on a huli jing, a Chinese spirit fox, which can change its appearance. More to this is that movie Zoroark is female, and huli jing foxes were mostly females.
• The Shanghai area also has windmills in its rural areas like Isshu in its upper part. It's important to note that China is currently the world's second producer of wind energy, and it is soon to be number one as it is growing its production.
• If Mamanbou turns out to be a Luvdisc evolution, that would be a minor hint towards Shanghai, since Shanghai is closer to Hoenn than NYC so it would make sense for it to be in this region.
• The Shanghai region is the same size as every other Pokemon region and NYC is literally 1/6th the size of Kanto.
• One could say that Iris (A girl in Isshu) is Chinese, because her character design is a very common stereotype used in a large variety of anime for Chinese girl, like clothing with very wide open sleeves, and her hair is shaped in 2 pon-pons which represents Chinese girls (Remember the character in street fighter, Chun-Li? )

/fixed some grammar, capitalization, repeats, etc.

Are the NYC supporters going to keep going with what little evidence they have, or actually look for something new to support them?

 

[pokewalker]

please look at this picture i made:

"image removed"

this almost confirmes that Isshu is NYC.

 

[The Red Chain]

Nice speculation list you guys! That's a lot more Shanghai evidence than there was before, and it's far more convincing now. I still stay on the NYC side, but never the less, the Shanghai information is very nicely detailed now. There is one little comment I want to make on Shanghai's listed specs though.

Zoroark, the evil fox Pokemon is most likely based on a huli jing, a Chinese spirit fox, which can change its appearance. More to this is that movie Zoroark is female, and huli jing foxes were mostly females.

Although it's great, Zoroark could also be based off of a kitsune. A shape-shifting fox of Japanese folklore.
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[coolnick37]

please look at this picture i made:



this almost confirmes that Isshu is NYC.

xD ur pic is a little crapily made, but I see your point, the only problem is that u zoomed in the pic of shanghai so it looks like it doesnt have that part on left, and as for nyc, well do you see the part on the right side, u totaly lined it wrong :X which almost connfirms that its wrong XD, jk.

Ill post a pic with comparisons later too, when i get to upload it. for some reason I cant find the pic anywhere on my PC :S

And please guys, dont say that some of your theories confirms anything.

 

[pokewalker]

xD ur pic is a little crapily made, but I see your point, the only problem is that u zoomed in the pic of shanghai so it looks like it doesnt have that part on left, and as for nyc, well do you see the part on the right side, u totaly lined it wrong :X which almost connfirms that its wrong XD, jk.

Ill post a pic with comparisons later too, when i get to upload it. for some reason I cant find the pic anywhere on my PC :S

And please guys, dont say that some of your theories confirms anything.

that line was the isshu line, to let everyone see how it matches NYC and Shanghai.