5th Gen Where is Isshu? Confirmed - New York

[coolnick37]

Although it's great, Zoroark could also be based off of a kitsune. A shape-shifting fox of Japanese folklore.

Yes that might be true too. But I think that they already made nintailes based on kitsune, i think that kyuubi(ninetails) is the same as kitsune(or at least a species of kitsune) or am I wrong :/

EDIT: i checked on wikipedia, kyuubi is acctually a tsukimi when it grows and gains its 9th tail.

@pokewalker ok here are my versions, with ZOOMED OUT maps, because in ur pictures u showed only the central peninnsuila ant then drew isshu, that is not correct so here it is.

Notice that shanghai has perfect shape except that the center peninsula is a little wider, and that the land left of isshu has the exact same shape as the land of shanghai area on the right.
NYC just seems unlike isshu, the center peninsuilla might look like it and manhattan might look like hiuin, but everything else just doesnt fit, the lands on the sides go way more to the south, and not to mention that there is no water on the right side of NYC, while looking at this pic there is something in the water on that side of isshu, where there is only land in that part of NYC(unlike shanghai):

 

[Swolligator]

another point for shanghai:
Kurumiru may be a reference to this:

The silkworm is the larva or caterpillar of the domesticated silkmoth, Bombyx mori (Latin: "silkworm of the mulberry tree"). It is an important economic insect since it is the producer of silk. A silkworm's preferred food is white mulberry leaves, but it may also eat the leaves of any other mulberry tree (ie, Morus rubra or Morus negra) as well as the Osage Orange. It is entirely dependent on humans for its reproduction and does not occur naturally in the wild. Sericulture has been practised for at least 5,000 years in China, Korea, and Japan.
It was domesticated from the wild silkmoth Bombyx mandarina which has a range from northern India to northern China, Korea, Japan and far eastern Russia. It derives from Chinese rather than Japanese or Korean stock.[1] The breeding of silkworms cannot have originated before the Neolithic as the tools necessary to make use of the silk thread on a large scale only have become available since then. The domesticated B. mori and the wild B. mandarina can still breed and sometimes produce hybrids.

Silkworms in Asia = to shanghai theory.

 

[austy14]

please look at this picture i made:



this almost confirmes that Isshu is NYC.

Very convincing map, though I wouldnt go quite as far to say it automatically confirms it. I'm just a little skeptical of the shape... the the real rivers sorta match up to Isshu glaciers. It's just so weird... It makes so much sense to be NYC yet it looks like Shanghai >__<

 

[pokewalker]

Yes that might be true too. But I think that they already made nintailes based on kitsune, i think that kyuubi(ninetails) is the same as kitsune(or at least a species of kitsune) or am I wrong :/

EDIT: i checked on wikipedia, kyuubi is acctually a tsukimi when it grows and gains its 9th tail.

@pokewalker ok here are my versions, with ZOOMED OUT maps, because in ur pictures u showed only the central peninnsuila ant then drew isshu, that is not correct so here it is.

Notice that shanghai has perfect shape except that the center peninsula is a little wider, and that the land left of isshu has the exact same shape as the land of shanghai area on the right.
NYC just seems unlike isshu, the center peninsuilla might look like it and manhattan might look like hiuin, but everything else just doesnt fit, the lands on the sides go way more to the south, and not to mention that there is no water on the right side of NYC, while looking at this pic there is something in the water on that side of isshu, where there is only land in that part of NYC(unlike shanghai):

i didnt zoomed in, i found the picture like that.
and there is a river flooding at the right-handside of manhattan, which follows the coastline of the right-outer part of Isshu. (south)

"image removed"

and you zoomed out with the map of NYC xD
and who knows this is the whole map of isshu? there might be more, maybe a part where there aren't any pokemon? perhaps N wants the pokemon to live there?
and that lake from shanghai, yes, it is at the same height of that pokeball-shaped-thing, but that pokeball-shaped-thing isn't a lake. it is a piece of land with a coat around it.

UPD: a castle maybe?

 

[Swolligator]

So i was looking up swans on wikipedia and found this:

Genus Cygnus

• Subgenus Cygnus
  • Mute Swan, Cygnus olor, is a Eurasian species that occurs at lower latitudes than Whooper Swan and Bewick's Swan across Europe into southern Russia, China and the Russian Maritimes. Recent fossil records, according to the British Ornithological Union, show Cygnus olor is among the oldest bird species still extant and it has been upgraded to "native" species in several European countries, since this bird has been found in fossil and bog specimens dating back thousands of years. Common temperate Eurasian species, often semi-domesticated; descendants of domestic flocks are naturalized in the United States and elsewhere.
  • Subgenus Olor
  • Whooper Swan, Cygnus cygnus breeds in Iceland and subarctic Europe and Asia, migrating to temperate Europe and Asia in winter.
  • Trumpeter Swan, Cygnus buccinator is the largest North American swan. Very similar to the Whooper Swan (and sometimes treated as a subspecies of it), it was hunted almost to extinction but has since recovered.
  • Tundra Swan, Cygnus columbianus is a small swan which breeds on the North American tundra, further north than Trumpeter Swan. It winters in the USA.
    • Bewick's Swan, Cygnus (columbianus) bewickii is the Eurasian form which migrates from Arctic Russia to western Europe and eastern Asia (China, Japan) in winter. It is often considered a subspecies of C. columbianus, creating the species Tundra Swan.

EDIT:
So then i looked up monkeys, and attached is a distribution map of monkeys.
More info for the Shanghai theory in both the swans and monkeys but the swans could also count towards NYC.

 

[coolnick37]

So i was looking up swans on wikipedia and found this:
EDIT:
So then i looked up monkeys, and attached is a distribution map of monkeys.
More info for the Shanghai theory in both the swans and monkeys but the swans could also count towards NYC.

The only thing I understood was that monkey and swan being in china thing, but for the rest, I think it would be more understandable if you could put it in your own words, because i really didnt understand that thing from wikipedia. I did understand something about euroasian swan >< but later i lost it :P
So explain in your own word, does that mean that swana is asian or american origin :S

i didnt zoomed in, i found the picture like that.
and there is a river flooding at the right-handside of manhattan, which follows the coastline of the right-outer part of Isshu. (south)

"image removed"

and you zoomed out with the map of NYC xD
and who knows this is the whole map of isshu? there might be more, maybe a part where there aren't any pokemon? perhaps N wants the pokemon to live there?
and that lake from shanghai, yes, it is at the same height of that pokeball-shaped-thing, but that pokeball-shaped-thing isn't a lake. it is a piece of land with a coat around it.

UPD: a castle maybe?

By that, do oyu mean that large landmass south of river is deleted from the games if NYC would be isshu :/ I find that hard to believe, that they could just delete that big part. But yes isshu could have some more land(:D i was the one that noticed the arrows in the high link map >.< yeah im bragging and showing of, i cant help it >.<, i just had to).
In the end we cant assume anything untill games come out, and even then we cant confirm the real setting of isshu.

Oh and that lake in the middle, ofc it is a lake, with an island in the middle, and in china that lake also has an island in the middle(which makes them indentical) -> @kirbichu u could add this to the lake clue of shanghai.

 

[Swolligator]

^ Pretty much, swanna could be american or chinese. where as Yannapu is chinese. but that does not necessarily confirm it, I still have yet to find evidence of Shimama (a zebra) in either worldly areas.

 

[coolnick37]

^ Pretty much, swanna could be american or chinese. where as Yannapu is chinese. but that does not necessarily confirm it, I still have yet to find evidence of Shimama (a zebra) in either worldly areas.

Zebras usually inhabitate savannas and such places, i think there are zebras in both asia and america.
The only thing about animal that points to shanghai, is that NYC doesnt have animals at all except cats and dogs :P although chinese ppl eat their dogs so it would make sense if there are no pokemon dogs in B/W xDD hahah that was obviously a joke, i hope no1 is offended.

 

[pokewalker]

plz check this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SnHZ51p02I
on this video the bbc reports something about the water deer. DON'T LOOK AT THE AFGHANISTAN THING :P

and btw, you know *bulbagarden.net image removed*, right? victory pokemon, a move called victory star, v stands for victory. all of this leads us to NYC. also in NYC there is a Liberty State Park, aka Liberty tower.
But Isshu can be a mix between Shanghai and NYC. there are some things that leads us to NYC, and some that leads us to Shanghai. And it's the Pokéarth, right? Everything is possible.

 

[coolnick37]

plz check this video:

on this video the bbc reports something about the water deer. DON'T LOOK AT THE AFGHANISTAN THING :P

The documentray just says that the chinese deer came to england by accident. Or were you refering to the part that there are few water deers left in china? Either way water deers are still in the largest part in shanghai and they are known as chinese deer. btw. American bold eagle is too in small numbers in amrecia(i think it is like a dying species or something) but i may be mistaken.

and btw, you know , right? victory pokemon, a move called victory star, v stands for victory. all of this leads us to NYC. also in NYC there is a Liberty State Park, aka Liberty tower.

Only thing that links victiny to nyc is the liberty tower, why does victory star and victory reference USA?

But Isshu can be a mix between Shanghai and NYC. there are some things that leads us to NYC, and some that leads us to Shanghai. And it's the Pokéarth, right? Everything is possible.

Things that lead to NYC are mostly speculation like victny (so we might be mistaken bout them) but as i see clues for shanghai area are mostly facts like shanghai being just the perfect size for pokemon region and the setting of the ingame objects like farris wheel and lake. This is what drove me to the conclusion that isshu=shaghai, since i voted in the poll that isshu is somewhere else, because i didnt believe in shaghai at first too, untill i made some research.
Now note that this is only IMO so dont take my word for it. Some people may find a football player or victiny more accurate proof, but that is just a matter of personal opinion.
When the games come out, then we will have a reall race to see on which is isshu based of, because then we can connect the towns and objects in isshu to towns in shanghai area and places in NYC, and see which fits better.

 

[pokewalker]

The documentray just says that the chinese deer came to england by accident. Or were you refering to the part that there are few water deers left in china? Either way water deers are still in the largest part in shanghai and they are known as chinese deer.

well i placed that video to let you guys see how a chinese deer moves, how it looks, and now im letting you know that it looks more like a sheep or a kangaroo on 4 legs. xD

 

[coolnick37]

Are you sure? It looks like all other deers to me :S

 

[pokewalker]

Are you sure? It looks like all other deers to me :S

yes, im pretty sure. only its head is deer-ish.

 

[rocky505]

Only thing that links victiny to nyc is the liberty tower, why does victory star and victory reference USA?

The 'V for Victory' thing at the Statue of Liberty back around WWII, There are 50 stars on the american flag (Which doesn't really matter)

 

[MistahDude]

Arguments for NYC

• Shaped like Isshu aside from the right peninsula.
  
• High Link is located where Central Park should be
• Pokemon like Wargle and the pigeon could reference America
  
• Docks
• A Pokemon Center (Now Nintendo World) use to be in New York
• Protagonists clothes
• Amusement park may be a reference to Coney Island
• The Liberty Ticket takes you to an island with a tower where Victini can be found, this could reference the Statue of Liberty
• The emphasis of the letter "V" with Victini could reference this.
• Bridges
• The people on Pokemon Sunday who delivered the news of the starters are dressed like the people who deliver newspapers in NYC
• People of varying nationalities
• American Football Players
• Pokemon Musicals could reference Broadway

Arguments for Shanghai

• Shaped like Isshu, and the right peninsula matches up better
  
• Mountains
• Bridges match-up extremely well, better than NYC
  
• More rural areas
• Old vs. New could reference the contrast between nature and technology in China
• Pokemon Musicals could reference Chinese Opera
• The speculated Yin-Yang theme of the game
  
• One could argue that the Pokemon are based on Chinese animals. Apparently Shikijika is found in the grassy areas near a river in Isshu. There is a water deer in Shanghai that is found around the river Yangtze, the one on the right. So that would point out that Shikijia could represent Shanghai water deer. Wargle could be a Chinese eagle.
  
• Hihidaruma is based of the daruma doll, which is representation of Bodhidharma, which is the founder of Chinese martial arts, and zen Buddhism, which, would show Hihidaruma s an Asian Pokemon.
• Shippou City is named after a Buddhist term for the "Seven Precious Treasures," so it would be a connection to Buddhism. Buddhism is mostly worshiped through Asia, and is a major religion in China.
• Giant like in the middle of Isshu, is in the exact same spot as Taihu lake in china, and has an island in it, like the lake in China has Yeshan island in it.
• Quindaohu lake is also on the same spot as another lake in Isshu, which is located above the windmills that are shown on the map.
• Isshu has a large dessert in the area above Hiuin city, neither NYC or Shanghai have deserts there, but china is famous for having 2 of the worlds biggest deserts, Gobi and Takla-makan.
• The government has moved almost all factories within downtown to either outskirts of Shanghai or the neighboring Jiangsu and Zhejiang Province in the last two decades. This could be referenced to the abandoned factory in the woods that we saw in the prerelease pictures.
• In China there is a city named Suzhou known for being built on water and having the world's 3rd largest Ferris wheel. There is a city in Isshu built on water with a Ferris wheel in the exact location.
  
• "Hiun" can be written in Kanji to mean "Cloud flying through the sky", a reference to Son Goku and the "Journey to the West", one of the most famous books in china.
• Isshu is the Japanese reading of the kanji used for the old name of a province of China back in the Tang dynasty.
• Zoroark, the evil fox Pokemon is most likely based on a huli jing, a Chinese spirit fox, which can change its appearance. More to this is that movie Zoroark is female, and huli jing foxes were mostly females.
• The Shanghai area also has windmills in its rural areas like Isshu in its upper part. It's important to note that China is currently the world's second producer of wind energy, and it is soon to be number one as it is growing its production.
• If Mamanbou turns out to be a Luvdisc evolution, that would be a minor hint towards Shanghai, since Shanghai is closer to Hoenn than NYC so it would make sense for it to be in this region.
• The Shanghai region is the same size as every other Pokemon region and NYC is literally 1/6th the size of Kanto.
• One could say that Iris (A girl in Isshu) is Chinese, because her character design is a very common stereotype used in a large variety of anime for Chinese girl, like clothing with very wide open sleeves, and her hair is shaped in 2 pon-pons which represents Chinese girls (Remember the character in street fighter, Chun-Li? )

/fixed some grammar, capitalization, repeats, etc.

Are the NYC supporters going to keep going with what little evidence they have, or actually look for something new to support them?

You left out arguments for NYC just letting you know. Its obvious whose side you are on.

 

[pokewalker]

The 'V for Victory' thing at the Statue of Liberty back around WWII, There are 50 stars on the american flag (Which doesn't really matter)

It's all about liberty. xD

 

[Ho-Oh]

Actually, MistahDude, it's up to what the users suggest regarding the reasons. If you have a few, I'll add them to the first post for you. :)

 

[coolnick37]

You left out arguments for NYC just letting you know. Its obvious whose side you are on.

o.o Well i did say i was on shanghai side. What did you mean by that? And where did I left out the NYC arguments?

@rockman505 why did you mention 50 stars on american flag then?

 

[pokewalker]

i have a new argument for NYC:
team plasma wants to seperate pokemon from people and let them be free. (freedom=america.)
@kirbycu please ad this to the NYC arguments

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

i have a new argument for NYC:
team plasma wants to seperate pokemon from people and let them be free. (freedom=america.)
@kirbycu please ad this to the NYC arguments

Uhm that doesn't really prove much, it makes it Plasma sound like an Environmentalist group rather than like America, also that carries unfortunate implications if it was...