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I had MS Office 2000 on my old Laptop but I used Open Office instead. I just prefer Open Office better.

Anyway I'm having a feeling no one listened to that one post I made. I'm not complaining but Lightning's post to refute my post actually agreed with my post. If you look at Lightning's post under where he quoted me you will see what I mean.
(Lightning) Whoa, whoa, whoa. Computer companies put so much trial software on. Not Vista.
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that is his reply to my quote
(Supertails)
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You know Windows is basically going to be bloated no matter what version you have because computer companies put so much trial software on them.
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Sorry for the rant but I had to say something though.

It's not about making it better. It's about making it good or great then making it better. The PCs are basically an Army. In a sense. You don't sell bullets to people that can't fit into their guns and then say that you will give them free stuff that will make the bullets work in a month after complaining. You should buy guns and see if the bullets will work. Same with PCs, Microsoft should buy PCs and test if the OS will work. Bill Gates he has 46.5 Billion Dollars and 100 Laptop and Desktops could be like 40,000 Thousand Dollars. You see what I mean but Bill Gates is so rich he could basically just close everything down forever but still.

Lightning did you agree or disagree with the $200 argument.
 
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Test if the OS will work? $200 argument?

The hell are you on about?
 
They should test the OS to see if will work on all PCs. $200 argument is that the OS is too expensive and it cost $200 at least.
 
I disagree. If you're buying Vista in the box, you're going to be paying for it just like you will for any other commercial system. According to MS's website, Home Premium goes for anything from $114.34 - $253.95. At Best Buy Canada, it's a ridiculous amount like $300 or something. It depends on where you're buying it and how. Not to mention if you ARE buying Vista in a box, you probably already have Windows and will only need the upgrade version. So really, the price tag isn't much of an issue to me. Like I said before, everyone I know who has Vista right now has it because it came installed on their new computer so with the bundled price, it was probably way less than $200. (Considering most decent laptops go for ~$800 these days, I'm hard pressed to believe that a fourth of that cost is the operating system.)

I do wish Microsoft would take a page from Apple's book and go with the multiple-user licensing system. I did end up looking up OS X's costs after my post last night and I was rather impressed with the household license. Too bad you have to own Macs to use the OS at all (whereas Windows is very versatile in comparison).

I'm not sure where you were going with that gun analogy. Microsoft DID test it on many different PCs. It's not like they built the OS and tested it on a few of their own computers and deemed it workable. They beta-test with many different people with different computer setups. That's how they know the minimum and recommended requirements and whatnot. There is no way a huge company would release their next-step OS and not have tested it into the ground to ensure that, for the most part, it was very workable. (Again, there are a lot of hiccups--and there will be for a time to come--but every OS has that.)

And I don't see how my quote refutes or agrees with your post. Computer companies installing things on the machines they manufacture has NOTHING to do with operating systems. Windows itself isn't bloated because of the things other companies installs, the computer is bloated. That has nothing to do with our Windows debate, as I see it, especially if we all agree Windows isn't even at fault for that.
 
Your right about that though. I was just saying it cost $200 when I was looking for an XP disk once. Though it all depends on where you go it's still expensive.

I found the Mac OS X a bit disappointing about it only working on a Mac and I will agree that Windows can go on every single computer basically but it doesn't prove it will work right though.

I don't think Windows tested it, I mean people hate it, it's incompatible with a lot of things. Also Windows is basically a monopoly. I know Windows isn't a monopoly but it acts like it. 90% or more makes it very close. It's enough for monopoly power though.

I will agree that it's not Windows fault for a bloated PC and I guess it could be out topic a bit.

About the OS being a forth of the price is right too but they work out a deal with them saying for every PC you put Vista on you gives us $40 or something.
 
I call bias. :( Might I point you back to my first post? I lik Vista. I don't have problems with it. I cannot be the only person in the world who doesn't dislike it. How much have you used Vista? I mean, personally. What didn't work for you? What was incompatible? I'll reiterate that I have yet to find anything of mine that hasn't worked and all my programs work okay.

That's probably how it works. Both the manufacturers and Microsoft benefit from that--the former get to say their computers are Vista-compatible and bundled with it, and the latter snags more customers.
 
The internet. Everything else worked perfectly. I had it for a month.
 
to be honest, when Vista came out last year it was horrible and the fact that Microsoft dropped it on the big name companies like Dell, HP, Gateway and so on, and told them to start using Vista instead of XP, only saturated the market with the new OS. however in the time since then It had gotten much better. drivers are no being made for some devices that didn't have them. (however if your printer is older than 4 years then you may still have problems finding a driver). but overall it actually has become a tolerable system to me. you won't catch me preferring it over my current system or XP, but if it's all I got I'm ok with it. Most programs are now both Vista and XP compatible so it's not quite as horrible as, say ME, but it's actually an ok system.
 
I agree Vista got better but it should have been good to start with. I prefer XP too.
 
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The internet. Everything else worked perfectly. I had it for a month.
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The only thing that didn't work was the internet? You probably were just having a configuration problem somewhere in your internet settings. o_O

And I think I read somewhere that people hacked OS X and installed it on a non-Apple PC. >_< *shot'd*
 
What problem? It worked for 5 minutes and then nothing. They were going to charge me $50 to fix it too.
 
actually Benji they did, but in doing so they also broke the EULA license agreement and can now be sued my Apple. the only people who are allowed to install Mac OS X on Non-Apple hardware are certain developers.
(I don't have to worry about that anymore, I can install whatever the heck I want on my computer)

@S-Tails who exactly tried charging you $50 to fix your internet?
 
Toshiba corp. I should have bought a Dell. Toshiba's a rip off.
 
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I found the Mac OS X a bit disappointing about it only working on a Mac and I will agree that Windows can go on every single computer basically but it doesn't prove it will work right though.
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May I point out that is the point/benefit of owning a mac? You get a OS that is different from the mainstream Windows. Apple chose to not let their OS be runnable on PC's. But because of how Window's is made to run on anything with Intel chipsets, Apple's can boot Windows.

And yes there is bias in this post, I'm a mac fanboy, but as I write this, I am running windows xp.
 
What type of advantages does that bring?
 
I don't know if that problem is necessarily Vista. If internet was shorting out, sounds like it's an ISP thing, but whatever.

Anyway, I still say Vista has run fine for me ever since I first used it last January (so over a year ago). A few programs here and there, but they were all fixed within a few months at most. I think it was good to start with--maybe it didn't run perfectly for everyone, but I know very few people who outright hate it. Most didn't notice too much of a difference from XP aside from aesthetics or the location of things.

As for OS X, it is technically possible to get it to run on a non-Apple computer and I wish it were legal, too, since I'd probably try it out then. I'm NOT buying an overpriced computer just to run it, though. Whenever I do get a Mac, I can pretty much guarantee it will be a very old, used model. <_<
 
My Bro told me the router wasn't seeing the computer. Is that the same thing?
 
I would call that a hardware issue, maybe. o_O Could be that you hadn't downloaded the proper drivers for the router to work with Vista? I dunno. Most commercial routers updated their drivers quite quickly after Vista came out though, as far as I know. This is a little off-topic, though.
 
just gotta ask, what makes you think windows has a sense of invincibility ? ever since my ISP was changed to bigpond zone alarm has blocked out 1821 hack attempts aimed at me. Also I pretty much prefer windows over linux, the only reason that I prefer windows is due to linux changing the boot load to something else, even though most window users have a single installation disk to fix that problem I couldn't since mine is 4 disks and I searched for two days to find something to get rid of the linux boot load
 
1. They sell their products for way more then they should. (MS 2007 and Vista)
2. They make them worst or not much better. (MS 2007 and Vista)
3. The size of the company. It's almost a monopoly. (More then 80% of all companies and people use Windows as their main Office and OS)
 
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