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Worst School Shooting in US History

He was known to be a stalker. His English professors said that they found his work to be troubling and disturbing. He was recommended to seek help...

That seems like enough warning signs to me. Why was he still there? Boot him out. Why keep someone around innocent people who has the potential to snap?

After the first two victims why did they not evacuate the premises? Classes kept going while there was an armed gunman on the loose.

I feel terrible for the victims and their friends and family, but the school can't possibly say that they didn't see this coming or that they're surprised. They knew he was an issue. They also didn't tell anyone to leave after the first round of shootings. The victims did not deserve their fate, and the school could've prevented it.

It is a terrible loss. Especially since these were young minds who wanted to learn.

I think we do need to be aware of what happened but I don't think the media needs to show the gunman's face or state his name. Let's deprive him of what he wanted, notoriety. He was suicidal. They usually feel lonely. This was most likely a cry for attention. And, yet despite what he has done, he gets his 15 minutes of fame. I wish the media hadn't revealed his name and likeness, I wish his efforts had been in vain.
 
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I think this is horrible. I just got additional details from associates earlier but now it seems there is even more that i don't know. Even if he was depressed he shouldn't have killed others. He should have sought mental help. But what can you do about such tragedies? It's just so random.
 
MegaDitto said:
I heard that they continued some classes after the shotting.
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After the first shooting, the school did not alert the other teachers about the situation (and in the e-mail, it did not say to stop class) until around the time the second shooting happened. One of the reasons this happened is because of incompetence. It is truly a shame this happened, and my condolences go out to the families.
 
This is messed up, first it was Calobine (sorry if I spelled it wrong) now this, SO this is what my friend was talking about

:t354:~*!*~Queen Boo~*!*~
 
Achamo said:
If I were his father, I wouldn't feel sad over his loss after what he did before he killed himself.
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You have no right to say that. >.< I understand that you're angry, but even if he killed 30+ other people, his family suffered a lot as well, because you couldn't personally possibly know what it feels like to have your child commit suicide, take 33 people with him, and also get his face and name blazed across the media all over the US.

His family has not only lost their son, but now, most likely, wherever they go in America, they'll be discriminated, and perhaps not even given the slightest bit of sympathy in that they've lost their son.

You shouldn't be so insensitive, it's offending to the point where I, personally, am offended by what you said.

This is a terrible thing, please don't speak so easily about it.

I'm sorry if what I'm saying sounds like I support what the gunman did, because I don't. But I can't stand and see his family get attacked at the same time, because they are currently, and most likely for the rest of the case, wholly innocent in this event.
 
From being informed by the news, the president of the school made a point: the first shooting was at 7:15. Classes don't start until 8 a.m. There were an estimated 14,000 people in transit, so there were no classes that could be locked down at 7:15 or thereabouts. The thinking was to let them get to their classes and then lock them down. The alternative is the 14,000 students arrive to find a bunch of locked classrooms and buildings, and they're all milling around with the shooter on the loose.

I really detest all this instant second-guessing. To me, the shooting of two people in the dorm just does not immediately suggest a mass spree was about to be taken place. I don't see how there was any way to know that or to act otherwise. How many shootings take place every day that are not followed by sprees? I'm thinking just about all of them. There was just no way to predict that two people shot at one location would lead to 58 more killed or wounded a half mile away at another location.

Personally, this should be a surprise to no one. We expect deaths and casualties in war zones. However, that doesn't make the death less dreadful for those involved, but it does make it less newsworthy as an individual incident. We do not expect mass homicide in a college campus. Therefore, if it happens, it is a significant event, exactly being because there was no mental preparation or expectation of the case.
 
Yea been everywere......
It's on the tube now !
But he was...
  • On Depressions
  • Had Problems(He wrote creapy stories)
  • Was just........Crazy!
He had a few thinggs written pn his arm about the Muslim Abraham so it might have been religious tohugh he was looking for his Girlfriend!I would like to solute the 77 year old teacher eho was killed while teaching a class when he jumped in the doorway and took the shots while all his students survived ;_;

HollyWood~JD
 
Interesting. I would've helped this guy if I knew him. Help him kill more then just 30 or 40 people, or help him kill himself instead before killing others, or help him plot his revenge some other way, or just recover.... hmm, all interesting.

In any case, I don't really care. There are tons of murders (what, 12k?) in the States every year. This is just a small portion. I don't really feel especially, despite being a university student myself.
 
Interesting. I would've helped this guy if I knew him. Help him kill more then just 30 or 40 people, or help him kill himself instead before killing others, or help him plot his revenge some other way, or just recover.... hmm, all interesting.
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I was reading about the guy himself, and what classmates and his professors thought about him. They said he was the stereotypical murderer. He was quiet, didn't want to talk to people, and was anti-social. When he wrote extremely violent stories, a student said it was so violent that they never heard of some of the weapons being used, he submitted it on time but people were afraid to critique it. Why? They were literally afraid he was going to snap and go on a mass-murderer. Even the professor didn't say much. Did people want to help him? Yes. They said students sometimes tried to get him out of his "shell" but he refused. He was even offered food by some students, and he denied and never spoke to them.
 
Omg, this is so terrible. This happened the same time that one high school had a school shooting(I know the name of the school, but can't spell it). I watched Fox News yesterday til just now about it. I even seen it in the news online. This is just shocking...I know he was depressed, but still there is no reason to go into a mad rampage like that.

I mourn for all the victims and the victims families. We can't be safe anymore. First it was a high school, now it is a college. What is next?

The government and the President has got to do something about the gun laws.
 
GeorgeWBushSupporter said:
I was reading about the guy himself, and what classmates and his professors thought about him. They said he was the stereotypical murderer. He was quiet, didn't want to talk to people, and was anti-social. When he wrote extremely violent stories, a student said it was so violent that they never heard of some of the weapons being used, he submitted it on time but people were afraid to critique it. Why? They were literally afraid he was going to snap and go on a mass-murderer. Even the professor didn't say much. Did people want to help him? Yes. They said students sometimes tried to get him out of his "shell" but he refused. He was even offered food by some students, and he denied and never spoke to them.
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Hah, that's valuable information. Even if people wanted to get close to him, they probably found it too difficult. How... unhappy =O ;___________;.... ;_________; .... I honestly wish I had the strength to deal with such a person.
 
His roommates are in an interview right and giving some pretty interesting information. They both tried to get him to open up, a lot. Invited him to parties, games and just tried to start conversations with him. All of this went on for 6 months or so and he only went with them once, got drunk and said he had an imaginary girlfriend.

It's really a shame that nothing could have been done to prevent this, to get him some help. Yeah, murders happen a lot, but does that mean that people still shouldn't mourn?
 
Ryotaro said:
His roommates are in an interview right and giving some pretty interesting information. They both tried to get him to open up, a lot. Invited him to parties, games and just tried to start conversations with him. All of this went on for 6 months or so and he only went with them once, got drunk and said he had an imaginary girlfriend.

It's really a shame that nothing could have been done to prevent this, to get him some help. Yeah, murders happen a lot, but does that mean that people still shouldn't mourn?
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No, it means that we're too desensitized to truly feel the pain.
 
HollyWoodBuneary said:
Yea been everywere......
It's on the tube now !
But he was...
  • On Depressions
  • Had Problems(He wrote creapy stories)
  • Was just........Crazy!
He had a few thinggs written pn his arm about the Muslim Abraham so it might have been religious tohugh he was looking for his Girlfriend!I would like to solute the 77 year old teacher eho was killed while teaching a class when he jumped in the doorway and took the shots while all his students survived ;_;

HollyWood~JD
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Ironically enough, that brave man had survived the holocaust, but fell victim to a nut job. What a twisted world we live in.

To the person who said if we take the guns away then the problem will stop. It won't, they'll simply find a substitute. Such as knifes.
 
Ryotaro said:
His roommates are in an interview right and giving some pretty interesting information. They both tried to get him to open up, a lot. Invited him to parties, games and just tried to start conversations with him. All of this went on for 6 months or so and he only went with them once, got drunk and said he had an imaginary girlfriend.

It's really a shame that nothing could have been done to prevent this, to get him some help. Yeah, murders happen a lot, but does that mean that people still shouldn't mourn?
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I'm sure they *would* say they tried to help him, huh? I personally don't believe it. Kind of stupid.

And writing creepy stories qualifies nothing.
 
Phrase said:
I'm sure they *would* say they tried to help him, huh? I personally don't believe it. Kind of stupid.

And writing creepy stories qualifies nothing.
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There's nothing to lead anyone to believe it was a lie, so until proved otherwise, I'll believe them.

It was enough for his teachers to try and get him help (as well as trying to help him themselves). True, that doesn't mean every person who writes stories like that are problematic, but at the time, he already had done things to lead people to believe it might be signs of him needing help. I'm pretty sure this was after he was charged with stalking a few students and making suicidal comments.
 
Lucy said:
The government and the President has got to do something about the gun laws.
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That's the problem, they can't really. The gun business is very big but complicated within the governments. It's so confusing it's so weird. O_o

I do wish for it to be changed too... but I don't think it would ever change in the US.
 
In 2005, a judge declared him mentally incompetent. A threat to himself and others.

Once again, I ask - Why was he allowed to be at this school?

Even the teachers were afraid of him. The English department refused to teach him. One professor had to teach him one-on-one because he was scaring the teachers and students.

Shame.
 
Suki said:
That's the problem, they can't really. The gun business is very big but complicated within the governments. It's so confusing it's so weird. O_o

I do wish for it to be changed too... but I don't think it would ever change in the US.
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It's something to do with the constitution thing.
 
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