6th Gen X/Y Quick Q&A (Read First Post)

[Xerneas_X]

What would be the best nature for charizard Y? Looking at specialising in special attack and speed?

I have perfect iv charmander (6 across the board) but their natures are hardy, bashful, quirky and serious.

Any tips for a breeding novice?

Yes, as the comment above stated, your pokemon having 6 in every stat does not equal IVs.. those you can only find out by the stats judge.. perfect IV = 31 in each stat, a number that's hidden.

 

[Howmander]

Well, you can't ONLY find out your stats by the stat judge: https://www.serebii.net/games/iv-calcxy.shtml

That will give you the EXACT IVs of your pokemon (obviously the higher the level the more accurate the reading will be) just get a bunch of pokemiles by catching some pokemon and wonder trading (or just get ONE pokemon and keep trading whatever you get) it will take some time, but it will be worth it. Get yourself 100 Rare Candies off the PGL website if you linked your game to it (which will run about 25,000 Pokemiles), or if you didn't, you can still cash your pokemiles in game for Rare candies, they're just double the price. Anyway, that was the time consuming part. Now, save your game, level up your pokemon until it gives you an exact number for all your IVs and then reset your game so you have all your Rare Candies back to check something else. Incidentally, you can also just level up your pokemon to level 20 to see if any of the stats COULD be 31 (the calculator gives a range at lower levels) and if none of them COULD be 31, none of them ARE 31 so start again. Admittedly the first part of this plan takes time, but once you have the rare candies it only takes a few minutes for each pokemon and you don't have to worry about interpretting vague messages or trying to identify ranges that this phrase could be or that phrase could be, you get a simple readout of all 6 stats.

I use it constantly, and if you're breeding a couple of pokemon that you know have perfect IVs in some of their stats (like Safari Pokemon or Baby pokemon that got evolved) with the Destiny Knot then when the baby if born and you level it up to 20, the stats that COULD be 31 ARE in fact 31 because you KNOW those stats were passed down from the parents. Within an hour or so of restarting the process I had bred a 6IV Minccino so I strongly recommend the calculator over the IV judge. (that's not to say it's always that easy, it took me 3 days to breed a correct Smeargle because I kept getting every spread EXCEPT the one I was looking for, so sometimes it's fast sometimes it's slow)

 

[Melonfrog]

When I think I know breeding something confuses me.
When ge mentions all stats and says "cannot be beaten" (Outstanding) does this mean they are all 31?

 

[Banned]

When I think I know breeding something confuses me.
When ge mentions all stats and says "cannot be beaten" (Outstanding) does this mean they are all 31?

Yep, that's right. If it has 31 in every stat, he says something like this:

"This Pokemon has outstanding potential overall. Incidentally, I would say its greatest potential lies in its HP stat. But its Attack stat is good too. Hmm. And its Defense stat is good too. Although its Special Attack stat is equally good. Its Special Defense stat seems just as good, though. And, well, its Speed stat is good too. Stats like those... they simply can't be beat!"

 

[Miau]

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A faster way of finding your exact IVs, and less expensive, would be going to the Battle Institute in Lumiose. Enter your Lv. 1 Pokemon, and it will be automatically raised to Lv. 50 during the test battle. Go to their summary screen in-battle and input their stats in https://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculators/IV.aspx. If it's not accurate enough, you can combine it with the Kiloude judge and input the best stats too.

 

[Howmander]

A faster way of finding your exact IVs, and less expensive, would be going to the Battle Institute in Lumiose. Enter your Lv. 1 Pokemon, and it will be automatically raised to Lv. 50 during the test battle. Go to their summary screen in-battle and input their stats in https://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculators/IV.aspx. If it's not accurate enough, you can combine it with the Kiloude judge and input the best stats too.

Oh that's a REALLY good idea too!

Need some suggestions on Arceus.

So here's what I have:

Timid Arceus, EV Trained max Speed and Sp Att and the remaining 6 in HP.

It's move set is
Judgement
Recover
Cosmic Power
???

(Sure it isn't the BEST moveset out there, I'm trying to make a general Arceus I can change it's type around as needed)
The fourth move I was thinking of being Psyshock simply because it's a special Attack that does physical damage, so I have two special attacks but one for opponents with lower Special Defence and Psyshock for opponents with lower Defence. Another thought I had was either Sludge Bomb or Poison Jab as both have a 30% chance of poisoning the opponent so while they're poisoned I can boost my defenses. There's two reasons I didn't want to use Toxic or Will-O-Wisp because with the sheer power of it it seems kind of a waste to throw on a status move and not put all that power to use, but also it's just generally a terrible idea to only have 1 type of attack on general as you could always have an opponent strong against or sometimes even completely immune to it. Anyway, does anyone have suggestions for that fourth move? I like the idea of being able to take on both physical and special defenced opponents, but I want to hear some creative ideas that allow me to change types at will rather than locking me into a single type.

 

[Xerneas_X]

Oh that's a REALLY good idea too!

Need some suggestions on Arceus.

So here's what I have:

Timid Arceus, EV Trained max Speed and Sp Att and the remaining 6 in HP.

It's move set is
Judgement
Recover
Cosmic Power
???

(Sure it isn't the BEST moveset out there, I'm trying to make a general Arceus I can change it's type around as needed)
The fourth move I was thinking of being Psyshock simply because it's a special Attack that does physical damage, so I have two special attacks but one for opponents with lower Special Defence and Psyshock for opponents with lower Defence. Another thought I had was either Sludge Bomb or Poison Jab as both have a 30% chance of poisoning the opponent so while they're poisoned I can boost my defenses. There's two reasons I didn't want to use Toxic or Will-O-Wisp because with the sheer power of it it seems kind of a waste to throw on a status move and not put all that power to use, but also it's just generally a terrible idea to only have 1 type of attack on general as you could always have an opponent strong against or sometimes even completely immune to it. Anyway, does anyone have suggestions for that fourth move? I like the idea of being able to take on both physical and special defenced opponents, but I want to hear some creative ideas that allow me to change types at will rather than locking me into a single type.

Easier to just open battle spot, enter a quick 1vs1 free battle. saves much more time than flying to lumiose city>battle institute, can do it from the daycare..

As for a Timid Nature Arceus, the best thing in my opinion is to make it Ghost Arceus and pick a moveset as recommended by smogon: https://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/arceus-ghost

in your case with the ev spread you did, the Calm Mind option looks to be the best choice with Judgement being the main attack of choice, Calm Mind for when you are able to safely get it up, Aura Sphere/Focus Blast so you can attack Normal types, and recover for when you can safely recover health, i can also recommend replacing recover with dazzling gleam or flamethrower if your the type like me who doesn't like to recover health and rather use the move slot for an extra attack.



If you were attempting an Arceus-Normal type that's a special attacker.. all i can say is, that would be a bad idea.. Arceus is easily outsped by many pokemon that have access to fighting moves who would potentially 1 or 2-hit KO it before it could attack (i.e. mewtwo's aura sphere).. Normal Arceus is best as a normal Physical attacker, which is why his primary move in that case is Extreme Speed, as he can potentially one-shot those fighters with extreme speed.


Another option for Special Attack Arceus is to take advantage of the new Fairy Plate, and give it Dazzling Gleam, Psyshock, Thunderbolt, and Calm Mind (or Flash Cannon)

 

[Llkeiper]

Completing the Pokedex

Hello all. And like the title says I am currently trying to complete my Pokedex enough that I can get the shiny charm. But I am not sure how to go about completing it. I have currently 4 36 Pokemon completed. And advice and help would be greatly appreciated! :)

 

[Howmander]

Easier to just open battle spot, enter a quick 1vs1 free battle. saves much more time than flying to lumiose city>battle institute, can do it from the daycare..

As for a Timid Nature Arceus, the best thing in my opinion is to make it Ghost Arceus and pick a moveset as recommended by smogon: https://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/arceus-ghost

in your case with the ev spread you did, the Swords Dance option looks to be the best choice with shadow force or shadow claw being the main attack of choice, swords dance for when you are able to safely get it up, brick break so you can attack Normal types, and recover for when you can safely recover health, i can also recommend replacing recover with dazzling gleam if your the type like me who doesn't like to recover health and rather use the move slot for an extra attack.



If you were attempting an Arceus-Normal type that's a special attacker.. all i can say is, that would be a bad idea.. Arceus is easily outsped by many pokemon that have access to fighting moves who would potentially 1 or 2-hit KO it before it could attack (i.e. mewtwo's aura sphere).. Normal Arceus is best as a normal Physical attacker, which is why his primary move in that case is Extreme Speed, as he can potentially one-shot those fighters with extreme speed.

Another option for Special Attack Arceus is to take advantage of the new Fairy Plate, and give it Dazzling Gleam, Psyshock, Thunderbolt, and Calm Mind (or Flash Cannon)

A few questions:

Why Shadow Claw on a Ghost Arceus? It only has a base power of 70 while Judgement has a base power of 100. (I know it has a high critical hit ratio, but "high" only seems to be 12.5% https://pokemondb.net/pokebase/998/how-high-is-a-high-critical-hit-ratio also Shadow Force is not an option as it was traded to me without that move so I don't know if the Move Relearner will be able to teach it to me or not as it was a special giveaway move and not a level up move, otherwise yes, I would very much like Shadow Force)

And I'm not necessarily going to use it as a normal attacker, but again, if I did, why would it need to be a physical attacker? Why couldn't it still be a special attacker? If I'm going up against physical pokemon, wouldn't they tend to (but not always ofcourse) have high physical defense but comparatively lower special defenses?

Also, even with Sword's Dance, is it worth it to use physical moves on a Timid Arceus? It's already it's lowest stat because of it's nature, which is why I was leaning toward Psyshock because it does physical damage but uses the Sp Att stat for it's power rather than using a move to boost it's Attack stat. (because, keep in mind, I was looking for a general moveset I could change type as needed without changing all it's moves)

Thank you for the ideas, they are very good so far! Gives me a lot of options to consider

 

[Banned]

GTS is by far the easiest way, if you don't mind not keeping them all. After completing the Kalos Dex, I did the rest via GTS in the space of a weekend.

For the non-legendaries, just get a valuable breedable Pokemon like a previous generation starter (or some other Pokemon that you notice is in high demand; Kricketot was highly sought after when I did it, for some reason), and then breed them and trade them off for whatever you want. You'll often find these on Wonder Trade, or you might just get lucky when looking through the offers people are making on the GTS. There are often people putting up some pretty good offers in general out there, so don't forget to search for those while you wait for your deposited Pokemon to be traded too.

For the legendaries, it's a little trickier. You'll probably end up having to part with one of your Kalos legendaries to get you started (I traded my Articuno for a Groudon). After that you just need to keep trading non-Kalos legendary for non-Kalos legendary, and it should be plain sailing from there. Remember, you don't need the event-only legendaries for the Shiny Charm.

Good luck!

 

[Xerneas_X]

A few questions:

Why Shadow Claw on a Ghost Arceus? It only has a base power of 70 while Judgement has a base power of 100. (I know it has a high critical hit ratio, but "high" only seems to be 12.5% https://pokemondb.net/pokebase/998/how-high-is-a-high-critical-hit-ratio also Shadow Force is not an option as it was traded to me without that move so I don't know if the Move Relearner will be able to teach it to me or not as it was a special giveaway move and not a level up move, otherwise yes, I would very much like Shadow Force)

And I'm not necessarily going to use it as a normal attacker, but again, if I did, why would it need to be a physical attacker? Why couldn't it still be a special attacker? If I'm going up against physical pokemon, wouldn't they tend to (but not always ofcourse) have high physical defense but comparatively lower special defenses?

Also, even with Sword's Dance, is it worth it to use physical moves on a Timid Arceus? It's already it's lowest stat because of it's nature, which is why I was leaning toward Psyshock because it does physical damage but uses the Sp Att stat for it's power rather than using a move to boost it's Attack stat. (because, keep in mind, I was looking for a general moveset I could change type as needed without changing all it's moves)

Thank you for the ideas, they are very good so far! Gives me a lot of options to consider

sorry, i wasn't thinking :P shadow force and shadow claw and brick break all would be a horrible move to give timid arceus xD!!

I was confusing jolly with timid.. *edits post above*

but yes, instead give ghost arceus, judgement, aura sphere/focus blast, calm mind, and recover/flamethrower/dazzling gleam


and again, you don't want to use normal typing with timid arceus. so choose a plate and go with that path :3

 

[Banned]

I'd say Recover is pretty crucial on Arceus, even when EV training in Special Attack rather than HP, like you are. Arceus is very good defensively, and not having a way to recover HP would completely waste that bulk. Ghost and Fighting offer perfect coverage, so having just Judgement and Aura Sphere / Focus Blast as your damage-dealing moves is fine.

EDIT: Plus Calm Mind isn't particularly useful if you can't recover the HP you inevitably lost while setting up.

 

[Howmander]

Thanks you guys, this is proving to be abundantly helpful, I really appreciate the thoughts! :-)

Edit: Doesn't seem to be a way to teach it Aura Sphere in Gen 4, 5 or 6! https://www.serebii.net/pokedex-xy/493.shtml

I kinda got my hopes up for that move. Oh well, I guess Focus Blast isn't THAT bad. :-(

IS anyone else getting weird friend list gltiches? I friended someone the other day and they tried to trade with me several times but I kept saying no because it was someone in my Acquaintances or PAssersby list (can't rememebr which) wanted to trade and I didn't want to do that because I just added someone's friend code and everyone else had always appeared in my friends list. Well it happened again just now, I added someone's FC, they added mine and sure enough their in game name appeared in my game as wanting to trade, but they showed up in my passersby list, and after I traded with them, they are now in my Acquaintance list, not my Friends list. Has this happened to anyone else? Why aren't new friends appearing in my friends list right away?

 

[Xerneas_X]

IS anyone else getting weird friend list gltiches? I friended someone the other day and they tried to trade with me several times but I kept saying no because it was someone in my Acquaintances or PAssersby list (can't rememebr which) wanted to trade and I didn't want to do that because I just added someone's friend code and everyone else had always appeared in my friends list. Well it happened again just now, I added someone's FC, they added mine and sure enough their in game name appeared in my game as wanting to trade, but they showed up in my passersby list, and after I traded with them, they are now in my Acquaintance list, not my Friends list. Has this happened to anyone else? Why aren't new friends appearing in my friends list right away?

that happens because you added a friend (or they added you) while your Pokemon was running. to fix that, restart pokemon x/y. or it should fix itself when the PSS decides to update the lists (once every 15-30 min?).

Happens to me too, but yes.. it's because rather than closing pokemon all the way to add a friend, i just minimize it then resume.

 

[Howmander]

that happens because you added a friend (or they added you) while your Pokemon was running. to fix that, restart pokemon x/y. or it should fix itself when the PSS decides to update the lists (once every 15-30 min?).

Happens to me too, but yes.. it's because rather than closing pokemon all the way to add a friend, i just minimize it then resume.

Ah okay, thanks! (adding extra characters)

 

[Sagakkan]

Hi there,

I'm planning on evolving my Petilil into Lilligant, however, I want to make sure it learns Giga Drain, Aromatherapy and Helping Hand as Petilil.......to do this I have to evolve it only after it reaches level 30-something, which is past the level at which Lilligant learns Quiver Dance. Once I evolve it, will I be able to use a heart scale and the move reminder to have Lilligant learn Quiver Dance (since it will already be past level 28)?

 

[Flushed]

Hi there,

I'm planning on evolving my Petilil into Lilligant, however, I want to make sure it learns Giga Drain, Aromatherapy and Helping Hand as Petilil.......to do this I have to evolve it only after it reaches level 30-something, which is past the level at which Lilligant learns Quiver Dance. Once I evolve it, will I be able to use a heart scale and the move reminder to have Lilligant learn Quiver Dance (since it will already be past level 28)?

Yes, you will be able to. That's primarily how you obtain the moves the stone evolutions learn at Lv. 1, and it'll work for lv 28 as well.

 

[DynamicD]

Probably a stupid question, but do you know those How to/Where to get videos on Youtube? I got a couple of those shiny legendaries (couldn't resist) onto my W2 version and planning to trade it over to X and Y. Before I do, I want to know, are they legitimate? Otherwise, I'll probably delete them. None of them are shiny locked legends.

 

[Xerneas_X]

Probably a stupid question, but do you know those How to/Where to get videos on Youtube? I got a couple of those shiny legendaries (couldn't resist) onto my W2 version and planning to trade it over to X and Y. Before I do, I want to know, are they legitimate? Otherwise, I'll probably delete them. None of them are shiny locked legends.

obviously if you got a pokemon from one of those links that lead to pokegts or similar where you can trigger a Event/free pokemon from the GTS by changing your DNS address. obviously they aren't official/legitimate. Also the fact that they have Full 6 IVs which isn't possible with event legendaries should be clue enough.. also besides the giratina, dialga, and palkia shinies which the Original Trainer is SUMER2013 (from the gamestop x&y Preorders) and possibly a couple shinies transfered all the way from pokemon platinum and prior, then they too aren't official..

But either way, regardless if they were "clones" (exact specs, set with same OT, IVs, etc etc) of the official original event legendaries.. the fact that you're acquiring them through hacked/illegitimate methods makes them non-legitimate.

 

[DynamicD]

obviously if you got a pokemon from one of those links that lead to pokegts or similar where you can trigger a Event/free pokemon from the GTS by changing your DNS address. obviously they aren't official/legitimate. Also the fact that they have Full 6 IVs which isn't possible with event legendaries should be clue enough.. also besides the giratina, dialga, and palkia shinies which the Original Trainer is SUMER2013 (from the gamestop x&y Preorders) and possibly a couple shinies transfered all the way from pokemon platinum and prior, then they too aren't official..

But either way, regardless if they were "clones" (exact specs, set with same OT, IVs, etc etc) of the official original event legendaries.. the fact that you're acquiring them through hacked/illegitimate methods makes them non-legitimate.

Yeah, I thought so. Anyways, it was kind of exciting to have them, but I'm not gonna keep any clones. It just doesn't feel right :/