6th Gen X/Y Third Version Speculation Thread

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I thought X/Y were kind of lackluster also, but I still really like them and am hoping "Z" or whatever turns out even better. Like I said before, the 3rd versions usually end up being better than their duo games. For me dropping out of the games in the near future, it's going to be a lot more to do with "growing" out of it than the content and quality of the games. I've been playing since Crystal, and I've loved each game that I've played including X.


My biggest hope is that they give Diantha an expanded role. When Lysandre was (kinda) creeping on her when you first meet them and the fact that she uses Mega-Evolution and seems to have some extensive knowledge behind it, I thought for sure they were going to give her the Cynthia treatment, and was disappointed to find out that they didn't.


And this may be stretching it, but I'm hoping that Zinnia appears again and plays a role too... especially if Game Freak plans on expanding on the whole "alternate universe" schtick that she pulled in the Delta Episode, and she seems to know quite a bit about Kalos lore for somebody who's a native to Hoenn. This is something really interesting, but I remember seeing somebody point out how her battle theme music has elements of the stereotypical accordion music that's associated with France. And Kalos is based on France. It's especially prominent in the beginning:

Another hint I've thought of is that Zygarde is part Dragon type, but then that would mean she would have to appear in D/P remakes and B/W/B2/W2 remakes because their Trio's are Dragon types as well. I can see her in a D/P remake in that Team Galactic are trying to create a new "universe", and that's more her forte than Unova's lore.

Well Unova's lore could be connected to Kalos somehow as statues of Reshiram and Zekrom appear in the palace in XY, and an NPC ponders about the connection. Also snake Zygarde seems to be similar to grey/black/white Kyurem in that they are both incomplete beings.

Speaking of the Tao trio I remember now that the XYZ trio lack items connected to them. The Tao trio had the White and Black stones and DNA Splicers, the Weather trio had the Red,Blue, and in HgSs the jade orb was introduced for Rayquaza (interestingly the Jade orb wasn't used in OrAs...don't tell me Mega Rayquaza isn't it's final form either...nah most likely the Jade orb is a detached Mikado organ...), HgSs also gave Lugia it's own counterpart to the clear bell in addition to the return of their wing items (I want to see the bells and the wings fuse to make their Mega stones in a future game) , the Creation trio have their Adamant, Lustrous, and Griseous orbs. The XYZ trio have none of that...it's so odd...

 

[WingsofBliss]

Come to think of it... yeah, that kind of is. We may or may not get that in "Z", I dunno. I imagine we'll get some sort of Item and/or game mechanic for Zygarde to transform, and my bet is that the Anistar Sundial is going to play a role, looking at the anime poster in CoroCoro. For Xerneas and Yveltal, I would really like to visit the areas that Team Flare has supposedly found them at. Also, I get a feeling that there's going to be a stronger connection made between Xerneas and Laverre City(they seem to be hinting at one anyways, not to mention it's a fairytale town with a Fairy-type Gym).

 

[shadowmoon522]

Well Unova's lore could be connected to Kalos somehow as statues of Reshiram and Zekrom appear in the palace in XY, and an NPC ponders about the connection. Also snake Zygarde seems to be similar to grey/black/white Kyurem in that they are both incomplete beings.

Speaking of the Tao trio I remember now that the XYZ trio lack items connected to them. The Tao trio had the White and Black stones and DNA Splicers, the Weather trio had the Red,Blue, and in HgSs the jade orb was introduced for Rayquaza (interestingly the Jade orb wasn't used in OrAs...don't tell me Mega Rayquaza isn't it's final form either...nah most likely the Jade orb is a detached Mikado organ...), HgSs also gave Lugia it's own counterpart to the clear bell in addition to the return of their wing items (I want to see the bells and the wings fuse to make their Mega stones in a future game) , the Creation trio have their Adamant, Lustrous, and Griseous orbs. The XYZ trio have none of that...it's so odd...

speaking of the jade orb, its data is in B/W/B2/W2 & X/Y but not in ORAS for some reason. maybe they will where planing on making it in to an event but just said psyduck it when they where making ORAS or they might release it for X/Y at some later time.
i consider sacred ash to be an item tied to ho-oh as well(given that ho-ohs are the only ones to ever have them) also its not just the main ones with some item or another. mewtwo had that berserk gene in the second gen games. the eon duo are connected to the eon flute & enigma stone, the lunar duo are connected to the lunar wing, the lake guardians are connected to the red chain,the forces of nature are connected to the reveal glass, genesect is connected to the 4 drives, shaymin is connected to the gracidea flowers, deoxys is connected to certain types of meteors & celebi is linked to the GS ball, ilex shrine, the relic stone & the time flutes.

And this may be stretching it, but I'm hoping that Zinnia appears again and plays a role too... especially if Game Freak plans on expanding on the whole "alternate universe" schtick that she pulled in the Delta Episode, and she seems to know quite a bit about Kalos lore for somebody who's a native to Hoenn. .

that might be more expanded then you seem to realize.
anime + movie universe
pokemon adventure/special universe
reburst universe
electric tale of pikachu universe
super smash bros universe
ransei universe
mystery dungeon universe(s)
TCG universe
rumble universe
main series + orre side series + ranger series = main universe(s)
as far as the main series go's matpat's theory might be one of the best ones

 

[Sun]

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There's a high percentage for Zinnia's appearance. She went to travel, so... Fingers crossed here! {XD}

I love your theory, but make one for Xerneas' counterpart, Yveltal, as well! :D

 

[WingsofBliss]

There's a high percentage for Zinnia's appearance. She went to travel, so... Fingers crossed here! {XD}

I love your theory, but make one for Xerneas' counterpart, Yveltal, as well! :D

IIRC, Yveltal is supposed to have been found in the mountains. Where exactly, I'm not sure. I don't think it would be Terminus Cave, since that's Zygarde's territory. Maybe we'll get a new town in the mountains that mirrors Laverre City and is inspired by Yveltal? It should also include a new Gym of the Dark type, which is a Gym we've desperately needed for the past 3,000 20 years.

Speaking of Laverre City... I just noticed something, and it's weird as all get out. Remember how in ORAS, there's a large tree that was planted by AZ behind Sootopolis' Gym? The Gym in Laverre is built into a tree similar in size as far as height goes, but the trunk is bigger.

 

[Charizard Gr]

After seeing the Pokemon announcement today I am almost sure we are getting a prequel. I mean, about Ash's Greninja, it is mentioned that such transformation has only happened hundreds of years ago and only once, when the bond between a trainer and its Pokemon have reached their zenith. But does that mean that Ash and Pikachu share a weaker bond than Ash and Greninja? HOW?

Unless it becomes a trend for Pokemon to look like their trainers from now on and Pikachu grows a hat... Which I likely doubt and would not like to happen either.

 

[Sun]

IIRC, Yveltal is supposed to have been found in the mountains. Where exactly, I'm not sure. I don't think it would be Terminus Cave, since that's Zygarde's territory. Maybe we'll get a new town in the mountains that mirrors Laverre City and is inspired by Yveltal? It should also include a new Gym of the Dark type, which is a Gym we've desperately needed for the past 3,000 20 years.

Speaking of Laverre City... I just noticed something, and it's weird as all get out. Remember how in ORAS, there's a large tree that was planted by AZ behind Sootopolis' Gym? The Gym in Laverre is built into a tree similar in size as far as height goes, but the trunk is bigger.

Ah well, OmegaRuby and AlphaSaphhire has actually said something similar a Dark-type Gym. But that means Valerie and this Dark-type Gym Leader are gonna have important roles.

That tree theory is *whistle* smooth. I'm lovin' it.

 

[MarinoKadame]

We got more info about Zygarde formes now. It seems the cores react to disasters.

Also I believe the event that happened once hundred years ago with another pokemon before Greninja in Kalos must be AZ's Floette.

I believe the transformation happen only when it has evolution which would explain Pikachu not transforming at all. So unless Ash uses a thunder stone on Pikachu to get an Ash-Raichu Pikachu will stay the same.

 

[Sun]

We got more info about Zygarde formes now. It seems the cores react to disasters.

Also I believe the event that happened once hundred years ago with another pokemon before Greninja in Kalos must be AZ's Floette.

I believe the transformation happen only when it has evolution which would explain Pikachu not transforming at all. So unless Ash uses a thunder stone on Pikachu to get an Ash-Raichu Pikachu will stay the same.

That Ash Greninja reminds me of the Eternal Flower Floette, a unique variant of the Floette specie. That Greninja might be simply a Mega Evolution, but I kinda wanna note it. :P

I love how Zygarde Core reacts to disasters. It really lives up to Zygarde's Pokédex entry. What if Core and Flat are actually working as eyes and ears for Zygarde 50% (the serpentine form as we know) monitoring Kalos as the dex says? Big brother much? :P

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

IIRC, Yveltal is supposed to have been found in the mountains. Where exactly, I'm not sure. I don't think it would be Terminus Cave, since that's Zygarde's territory. Maybe we'll get a new town in the mountains that mirrors Laverre City and is inspired by Yveltal? It should also include a new Gym of the Dark type, which is a Gym we've desperately needed for the past 3,000 20 years.

Speaking of Laverre City... I just noticed something, and it's weird as all get out. Remember how in ORAS, there's a large tree that was planted by AZ behind Sootopolis' Gym? The Gym in Laverre is built into a tree similar in size as far as height goes, but the trunk is bigger.

That brings back memories of how a lot of us on this site expected Zygarde to be found in the tall mountain near Anistar. Hmm, all three places mentioned are near Anistar...
Also a Team in the past was mentioned to be looking for a legend nearby by an NPC girl in Anistar.

After seeing the Pokemon announcement today I am almost sure we are getting a prequel. I mean, about Ash's Greninja, it is mentioned that such transformation has only happened hundreds of years ago and only once, when the bond between a trainer and its Pokemon have reached their zenith. But does that mean that Ash and Pikachu share a weaker bond than Ash and Greninja? HOW?

Unless it becomes a trend for Pokemon to look like their trainers from now on and Pikachu grows a hat... Which I likely doubt and would not like to happen either.

I think Pikachu needs to evolve or it's because it's not from Kalos.

 

[Perriechu]

Dunsparce evolution my ass

I'm banking on the new games to be revealed around the airing of the mega evolution act.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Dunsparce evolution my ass

I'm banking on the new games to be revealed around the airing of the mega evolution act.

They could also be announced in TGS (Tokyo Game Show) this week. If not then next Corocoro and the Mega Evolution act are the most likely candidates for an announcement.

 

[shadowmoon522]

We got more info about Zygarde formes now. It seems the cores react to disasters.

Also I believe the event that happened once hundred years ago with another pokemon before Greninja in Kalos must be AZ's Floette.

I believe the transformation happen only when it has evolution which would explain Pikachu not transforming at all. So unless Ash uses a thunder stone on Pikachu to get an Ash-Raichu Pikachu will stay the same.

the way it looked it only happens to 1 pokemon once a millennium. so either where getting a geninja that changes with the character customization feature or where getting a game where pokemon with high friendship have a small chance of becoming an alternate coloration other then shiny.
then again the anime has a bunch of random pallet swaps and this will never come to the games

Zygarde Core: At this stage, this aspect of Zygarde is little more than a part of the Pokémon's brain. Unlike the Cells, the Cores are self-aware and can communicate with Cells and other Cores via telepathy.

well, that pretty much confirms its the little bastards gonna be speaking human speak in the movie to feature it. gonna love watching people complain about that. just hope it doesn't get the hoopa treatment as far as dub VAs go.

 

[Rivvon]

Oooh boy, this new Zygarde info leaves a lot to speculate on, and if there's one thing I love, it's pre-game speculation! Guess I'd better buckle in because I'm gonna have a lot to type...

I'm going to start off by saying that since this news pertains specifically to the anime, I'm 99% certain the Ash-Greninja is going to be an anime-exclusive thing. Just because it's in the anime or a movie doesn't mean it needs to be included in the games. That being said, if this Ash-Greninja appears in "Pokémon Z" (I'll get to those air quotes in a minute!), it will likely be as a "stand-alone" Pokémon. By this I mean a special event Greninja who does not evolve from a Froakie or Frogadier, only boasting a unique 3D model and perhaps a unique move or Ability, similar to how Spiky-Eared Pichu is incapable of evolving, and how Cosplay Pikachu cannot evolve but gains unique attacks upon changing outfits. It just seems highly unlikely for any Mega Evolution to be based directly on an anime character, so while the possibility of gen 6 starter Megas still exist, I don't think Ash-Greninja falls under this category (and personally, I don't want it to).

Moving on to the hypothetical "Pokémon Z:" the reason why I use air quotes around it is because we simply do not know enough about the game's plot as of now. I don't think it will be a prequel (I'll explain why as I go on), but the chance of the game(s) being a sequel, or even just a "3rd version" (alternate retelling of the original X & Y) are both likely at this point (and, even as a sequel, it still faces the possibility as being presented as a single game or as two separate games). So, for the sake of simplicity, I'll just call the upcoming game(s) "Pokémon Z" for now.

Now I'll move onto Zygarde and why I love these new formes so much. As some people may know, Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde are inspired greatly from Norse mythology. Zygarde 50% Forme is based on Jörmungandr, a serpent who "grew so large that he was able to surround the earth and grasp his own tail," and "when he lets go, the world will end" (thanks, Wikipedia!). That sounds pretty ominous! But it's fitting, considering the great power Zygarde has just waiting to be unleashed. Also interesting to note is that Jörmungandr is Loki's second child...and his first was Fenrir the wolf.

I'll admit, I was pretty confused when I first saw Zygarde's formes. I mean, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a dog to become a snake...but when we consider their conceptual origins, things start to fall into place! It's just so exciting!

So that leaves Zygarde Complete Forme. How do you explain any Pokémon becoming a giant mecha? Well...that, I'm a bit unsure of, myself! I'm no master of Norse mythology by any means, but Zygarde Complete Forme could have a variety of Nordic origins. It could be based on Loki's third child, his destructive daughter Hel, who is said to have one "hideous" half and one "beautiful" half (those "wings" on Zygarde Perfect being red and blue could represent the beauty of life and horror of death, after all). Or, it may just be based on a generic Nordic giant. Again, I'm not knowledgeable enough in this area to know. But there are a lot of exciting possibilities! (Also, fun fact, there are ice giants in Nordic mythology, too, and Zygarde must be pretty afraid of them given its Dragon/Ground typing!)

Speaking of possibilities, that's another reason why I'm so excited by these new formes. The descriptions given to them by the official Pokémon site gives so many possibilities for improvements over the plot of X & Y. Imagine encountering Zygarde throughout the game--always observing and collecting information regarding the villainous team and their plots. Maybe Zygarde has some sort of power that prevents you from using Poké Balls on it, so you get to fight it as a sort of boss battle throughout the game in its different formes, starting at 10%, and leading up to the climactic battle versus its Complete Forme! It could be a situation similar to Kyurem in B2W2, where you can't capture the legendary until post-game; perhaps after the story mode showdown, Zygarde splits into separate cells again that scatter throughout the region, and you have to collect all the cells before getting a chance to capture it!

This leads into why I don't think we will be getting prequels. I don't think it's impossible, just highly unlikely. Incorporating this unique "Zygarde mechanic" into the story of X & Y could work out very well, giving characters such as AZ and Lysandre (and Sycamore please) more opportunities to be active and even have some character growth. As a sequel, it could still involve AZ and perhaps a sort of "revival" of Team Flare (or maybe even a new team, but I think a revival of Team Flare would be more likely). A prequel could be very interesting, I admit, but that would imply that Zygarde wasn't caught after its events because it's still in Terminus Cave in X & Y (also, I just want to see more of the characters of X & Y, ha ha).

And that leads us to...flowers. Yes, that cryptic word given to us by TPCi's J. C. Smith regarding what the future of Pokémon held in store. Undoubtedly, many people came to the conclusion that this was in relation to AZ's Floette. And with that, it's time to start...

The Pokémon Z Speculation Game Speed Round™!! The rules are simple: I just give out bullet points of 100% speculation, made from pure speculation juice! So without further ado, here are the speculations:

• AZ and Floette have to sacrifice themselves to stop the rampaging Zygarde Complete Forme...it looks like, after 3000 long years, they'll both finally be free
• AZ, with the (metaphorical) power he obtained over his 3000 years of life, has the power to stop Zygarde Complete Forme; AZ is, after all, the beginning of the story (a - he was the one who created the original weapon which is now being used again as the center of the plot of X & Y), so he could very well be the end, too (z - the key to defeating Zygarde--maybe that key necklace of his plays a role)
• AZ may have to sacrifice himself to defeat Zygarde; this would lead him to free his Floette into the wild where the player can encounter and capture it post-game
  Spoiler:

  (this would also explain why it is programmed as its own unique Pokémon in X & Y, despite being unused)
• I can only think of two things that Zygarde may consider a threat to Kalos's ecosystem: the threat of Team Flare, or the effects of Primal Groudon/Kyogre making their way towards the Kalos region (thanks to the O-Power guy, we know that XY & ΩRαS take place simultaneously, albeit with a bit of staggered-ness, and the Hoenn remakes added a lot of references to not just Kalos, but AZ specifically--the latter idea could be a way to incorporate some references to Hoenn)

And...that's all, for now! This post is already out of control as it is!

Needless to say, I'm actually very excited for whatever Pokémon has in store next. Truth be told, XY & ΩRαS were great games--fantastic, even!--but I was honestly very disappointed with them in numerous respects. But! Not having any sort of main series game this year means the upcoming game(s) likely had a two-year development cycle. That's a lot of time to add content, improve the plot and characters, and polish the game, and just like the Zygarde we knew was only at 50% power, storing a lot of potential, X & Y had a lot of potential, too. And thinking of all the different ways these new Zygarde formes can be incorporated into the story of X & Y, making a very unique experience, is, put simply, amazing. A lot of thought went into these guys, and they have the possibility of bringing the most complex (in a good way!), engaging Pokémon story yet. I'll knock on wood from now until as long as it takes--I think these formes are a good omen of what's to come!

 

[Aether]

if this Ash-Greninja appears in "Pokémon Z" (I'll get to those air quotes in a minute!), it will likely be as a "stand-alone" Pokémon. By this I mean a special event Greninja who does not evolve from a Froakie or Frogadier, only boasting a unique 3D model and perhaps a unique move or Ability, similar to how Spiky-Eared Pichu is incapable of evolving, and how Cosplay Pikachu cannot evolve but gains unique attacks upon changing outfits.

It's also theorized that it could be some kind of feature where your starter/pokemon closest to you (max'd happiness/amie values) subtly changes color to match you like Ash's Greninja does.

By the same token AZ's Floette has perhaps done the same.

It's a real long shot though, I admit, because applying such a cosmetic feature to 700+ Pokemon is a supremely daunting task for GF.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Oooh boy, this new Zygarde info leaves a lot to speculate on, and if there's one thing I love, it's pre-game speculation! Guess I'd better buckle in because I'm gonna have a lot to type...

I'm going to start off by saying that since this news pertains specifically to the anime, I'm 99% certain the Ash-Greninja is going to be an anime-exclusive thing. Just because it's in the anime or a movie doesn't mean it needs to be included in the games. That being said, if this Ash-Greninja appears in "Pokémon Z" (I'll get to those air quotes in a minute!), it will likely be as a "stand-alone" Pokémon. By this I mean a special event Greninja who does not evolve from a Froakie or Frogadier, only boasting a unique 3D model and perhaps a unique move or Ability, similar to how Spiky-Eared Pichu is incapable of evolving, and how Cosplay Pikachu cannot evolve but gains unique attacks upon changing outfits. It just seems highly unlikely for any Mega Evolution to be based directly on an anime character, so while the possibility of gen 6 starter Megas still exist, I don't think Ash-Greninja falls under this category (and personally, I don't want it to).

Moving on to the hypothetical "Pokémon Z:" the reason why I use air quotes around it is because we simply do not know enough about the game's plot as of now. I don't think it will be a prequel (I'll explain why as I go on), but the chance of the game(s) being a sequel, or even just a "3rd version" (alternate retelling of the original X & Y) are both likely at this point (and, even as a sequel, it still faces the possibility as being presented as a single game or as two separate games). So, for the sake of simplicity, I'll just call the upcoming game(s) "Pokémon Z" for now.

Now I'll move onto Zygarde and why I love these new formes so much. As some people may know, Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde are inspired greatly from Norse mythology. Zygarde 50% Forme is based on Jörmungandr, a serpent who "grew so large that he was able to surround the earth and grasp his own tail," and "when he lets go, the world will end" (thanks, Wikipedia!). That sounds pretty ominous! But it's fitting, considering the great power Zygarde has just waiting to be unleashed. Also interesting to note is that Jörmungandr is Loki's second child...and his first was Fenrir the wolf.

I'll admit, I was pretty confused when I first saw Zygarde's formes. I mean, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a dog to become a snake...but when we consider their conceptual origins, things start to fall into place! It's just so exciting!

So that leaves Zygarde Complete Forme. How do you explain any Pokémon becoming a giant mecha? Well...that, I'm a bit unsure of, myself! I'm no master of Norse mythology by any means, but Zygarde Complete Forme could have a variety of Nordic origins. It could be based on Loki's third child, his destructive daughter Hel, who is said to have one "hideous" half and one "beautiful" half (those "wings" on Zygarde Perfect being red and blue could represent the beauty of life and horror of death, after all). Or, it may just be based on a generic Nordic giant. Again, I'm not knowledgeable enough in this area to know. But there are a lot of exciting possibilities! (Also, fun fact, there are ice giants in Nordic mythology, too, and Zygarde must be pretty afraid of them given its Dragon/Ground typing!)

Speaking of possibilities, that's another reason why I'm so excited by these new formes. The descriptions given to them by the official Pokémon site gives so many possibilities for improvements over the plot of X & Y. Imagine encountering Zygarde throughout the game--always observing and collecting information regarding the villainous team and their plots. Maybe Zygarde has some sort of power that prevents you from using Poké Balls on it, so you get to fight it as a sort of boss battle throughout the game in its different formes, starting at 10%, and leading up to the climactic battle versus its Complete Forme! It could be a situation similar to Kyurem in B2W2, where you can't capture the legendary until post-game; perhaps after the story mode showdown, Zygarde splits into separate cells again that scatter throughout the region, and you have to collect all the cells before getting a chance to capture it!

This leads into why I don't think we will be getting prequels. I don't think it's impossible, just highly unlikely. Incorporating this unique "Zygarde mechanic" into the story of X & Y could work out very well, giving characters such as AZ and Lysandre (and Sycamore please) more opportunities to be active and even have some character growth. As a sequel, it could still involve AZ and perhaps a sort of "revival" of Team Flare (or maybe even a new team, but I think a revival of Team Flare would be more likely). A prequel could be very interesting, I admit, but that would imply that Zygarde wasn't caught after its events because it's still in Terminus Cave in X & Y (also, I just want to see more of the characters of X & Y, ha ha).

And that leads us to...flowers. Yes, that cryptic word given to us by TPCi's J. C. Smith regarding what the future of Pokémon held in store. Undoubtedly, many people came to the conclusion that this was in relation to AZ's Floette. And with that, it's time to start...

The Pokémon Z Speculation Game Speed Round™!! The rules are simple: I just give out bullet points of 100% speculation, made from pure speculation juice! So without further ado, here are the speculations:

• AZ and Floette have to sacrifice themselves to stop the rampaging Zygarde Complete Forme...it looks like, after 3000 long years, they'll both finally be free
• AZ, with the (metaphorical) power he obtained over his 3000 years of life, has the power to stop Zygarde Complete Forme; AZ is, after all, the beginning of the story (a - he was the one who created the original weapon which is now being used again as the center of the plot of X & Y), so he could very well be the end, too (z - the key to defeating Zygarde--maybe that key necklace of his plays a role)
• AZ may have to sacrifice himself to defeat Zygarde; this would lead him to free his Floette into the wild where the player can encounter and capture it post-game
  Spoiler:

  (this would also explain why it is programmed as its own unique Pokémon in X & Y, despite being unused)
• I can only think of two things that Zygarde may consider a threat to Kalos's ecosystem: the threat of Team Flare, or the effects of Primal Groudon/Kyogre making their way towards the Kalos region (thanks to the O-Power guy, we know that XY & ΩRαS take place simultaneously, albeit with a bit of staggered-ness, and the Hoenn remakes added a lot of references to not just Kalos, but AZ specifically--the latter idea could be a way to incorporate some references to Hoenn)

And...that's all, for now! This post is already out of control as it is!

Needless to say, I'm actually very excited for whatever Pokémon has in store next. Truth be told, XY & ΩRαS were great games--fantastic, even!--but I was honestly very disappointed with them in numerous respects. But! Not having any sort of main series game this year means the upcoming game(s) likely had a two-year development cycle. That's a lot of time to add content, improve the plot and characters, and polish the game, and just like the Zygarde we knew was only at 50% power, storing a lot of potential, X & Y had a lot of potential, too. And thinking of all the different ways these new Zygarde formes can be incorporated into the story of X & Y, making a very unique experience, is, put simply, amazing. A lot of thought went into these guys, and they have the possibility of bringing the most complex (in a good way!), engaging Pokémon story yet. I'll knock on wood from now until as long as it takes--I think these formes are a good omen of what's to come!

What do you mean by XY and OrAs taking place simultaneously? As in the same universe (Or to X and As to Y)? Or do you mean as in the same time? If it's the latter then the Oceanic Museum disproves that as the Royal Unova isn't done yet and we all know that XY takes place at the same time as B2W2 (different alternate versions maybe but the same time) and the Royal Unova was up by BW.

If the games are a prequel it could have a younger Sycamore and take place some time after OrAs (a few weeks?) or could be like DPP whose events appear to be after the Red Gyarados incident in Johto. So maybe the news will cover what happened in Sotopolis.

It's also theorized that it could be some kind of feature where your starter/pokemon closest to you (max'd happiness/amie values) subtly changes color to match you like Ash's Greninja does.

By the same token AZ's Floette has perhaps done the same.

It's a real long shot though, I admit, because applying such a cosmetic feature to 700+ Pokemon is a supremely daunting task for GF.

Maybe only Pokémon that can evolve will get it? Perhaps we'll need to maximize our bond prior to evolution too.

 

[Rivvon]

It's also theorized that it could be some kind of feature where your starter/pokemon closest to you (max'd happiness/amie values) subtly changes color to match you like Ash's Greninja does.

By the same token AZ's Floette has perhaps done the same.

It's a real long shot though, I admit, because applying such a cosmetic feature to 700+ Pokemon is a supremely daunting task for GF.

Well, if that is the case, the changes would only need to be made to the Kalos starters, perhaps, which would be a lot more reasonable to make. It would be kind of cute, to be honest! But personally I would prefer actual Mega Evolutions, despite how adorable that idea sounds.

Although, I never interpreted AZ's Floette as having her body changed to match his. Rather, her body is not that of a shiny Floette. Shiny Floette are purple; AZ's is distinctly blue. The flower is very clearly based on Yveltal/the weapon of destruction. The blue body represents the immortality she was given (Xerneas); the flower represents the weapon of destruction (Yveltal), and therefore the literal weight on her shoulders of the Pokémon who lost their lives for the sake of reviving her.

What do you mean by XY and OrAs taking place simultaneously? As in the same universe (Or to X and As to Y)? Or do you mean as in the same time? If it's the latter then the Oceanic Museum disproves that as the Royal Unova isn't done yet and we all know that XY takes place at the same time as B2W2 (different alternate versions maybe but the same time) and the Royal Unova was up by BW.

If the games are a prequel it could have a younger Sycamore and take place some time after OrAs (a few weeks?) or could be like DPP whose events appear to be after the Red Gyarados incident in Johto. So maybe the news will cover what happened in Sotopolis.

Well, Zinnia opened the whole "multiverse" can of worms, so XY & ΩRαS may not take place in the same universe as that of BW/B2W2 where the Royal Unova is completed. Honestly, the only reference point we have for XY taking place simultaneously to B2W2 was that one Tweet made a long time ago, and personally I feel that ΩRαS renders it completely null-and-void due to the opening of the multiverse timeline (as in, if they do take place simultaneously, they do so in different timelines, so the Unova of B2W2 may not be the same as the Unova in the ΩRαS universe).

Without derailing the subject onto the topic of the mess of a timeline we have now, I'll explain my reasoning: the O-Power guy, Mr. Bonding, does not exist in ΩRαS until you get the colorful bards to combine with the "powerless man." Then Mr. Bonding says he will go spread his O-Powers across the world. Mr. Bonding then appears in XY all across hotels in Kalos. So there are two options: one, XY takes place after ΩRαS; or two, XY takes place at the same time as ΩRαS, albeit with some staggering (similar to DPP and HGSS: the beginning of DPP, with the Red Gyarados outbreak, is about a quarter or half of the way into the events of HGSS). (Also, I'm 99% certain that the Great War was referenced in ΩRαS as having taken place 3000 years ago, which could very well just be them generalizing, but since the writers took such great...care in distinctly introducing the concept of multiple universes in regards to the canonity of ΩRαS vs. RSE, they obviously care about specifics in their timeline. So I interpreted that reference as another hint that they are trying to establish that ΩRαS and XY take place simultaneously, otherwise they would have said something along the lines of "It took place almost 3000 years ago," etc.).




In regards to prequels, they can certainly be done well, but since we know the "end results" (we know how the Great War ended, we know that AZ reunites with his Floette, we know Lysandre is stopped, etc.) there's less room for surprise. This is just a personal opinion, but I'd rather have a third version with an improved version of X & Y's story, or a sequel where we see all the loose ends of X & Y addressed (and even the loose end regarding why in the blazes does Looker simply wash ashore on the Battle Resort with amnesia? What is the purpose of that? I don't understand!).

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Well, if that is the case, the changes would only need to be made to the Kalos starters, perhaps, which would be a lot more reasonable to make. It would be kind of cute, to be honest! But personally I would prefer actual Mega Evolutions, despite how adorable that idea sounds.

Although, I never interpreted AZ's Floette as having her body changed to match his. Rather, her body is not that of a shiny Floette. Shiny Floette are purple; AZ's is distinctly blue. The flower is very clearly based on Yveltal/the weapon of destruction. The blue body represents the immortality she was given (Xerneas); the flower represents the weapon of destruction (Yveltal), and therefore the literal weight on her shoulders of the Pokémon who lost their lives for the sake of reviving her.


Well, Zinnia opened the whole "multiverse" can of worms, so XY & ΩRαS may not take place in the same universe as that of BW/B2W2 where the Royal Unova is completed. Honestly, the only reference point we have for XY taking place simultaneously to B2W2 was that one Tweet made a long time ago, and personally I feel that ΩRαS renders it completely null-and-void due to the opening of the multiverse timeline (as in, if they do take place simultaneously, they do so in different timelines, so the Unova of B2W2 may not be the same as the Unova in the ΩRαS universe).

Without derailing the subject onto the topic of the mess of a timeline we have now, I'll explain my reasoning: the O-Power guy, Mr. Bonding, does not exist in ΩRαS until you get the colorful bards to combine with the "powerless man." Then Mr. Bonding says he will go spread his O-Powers across the world. Mr. Bonding then appears in XY all across hotels in Kalos. So there are two options: one, XY takes place after ΩRαS; or two, XY takes place at the same time as ΩRαS, albeit with some staggering (similar to DPP and HGSS: the beginning of DPP, with the Red Gyarados outbreak, is about a quarter or half of the way into the events of HGSS). (Also, I'm 99% certain that the Great War was referenced in ΩRαS as having taken place 3000 years ago, which could very well just be them generalizing, but since the writers took such great...care in distinctly introducing the concept of multiple universes in regards to the canonity of ΩRαS vs. RSE, they obviously care about specifics in their timeline. So I interpreted that reference as another hint that they are trying to establish that ΩRαS and XY take place simultaneously, otherwise they would have said something along the lines of "It took place almost 3000 years ago," etc.).




In regards to prequels, they can certainly be done well, but since we know the "end results" (we know how the Great War ended, we know that AZ reunites with his Floette, we know Lysandre is stopped, etc.) there's less room for surprise. This is just a personal opinion, but I'd rather have a third version with an improved version of X & Y's story, or a sequel where we see all the loose ends of X & Y addressed (and even the loose end regarding why in the blazes does Looker simply wash ashore on the Battle Resort with amnesia? What is the purpose of that? I don't understand!).

The alternate universes doesn't ruin the timeline necessary. BW were alternate universes yet their events were parallel in the timeline. ΩR αS are also parallel in the timeline and Zinnia makes it sound like they're happening simultaneously to to RSE (well Emerald being one where Steven decided to go on a journey earlier).

A prequel can bridge the golf of time between the two pairs. Amnesiac Looker could recover his memories (like Zygarde is being completed) in this game. Also we can see the abandoned Hotel and Terminal Cave open and running.

 

[Juice585]

the effects of Primal Groudon/Kyogre making their way towards the Kalos region (thanks to the O-Power guy, we know that XY & ΩRαS take place simultaneously, albeit with a bit of staggered-ness, and the Hoenn remakes added a lot of references to not just Kalos, but AZ specifically--the latter idea could be a way to incorporate some references to Hoenn)

just want to say how much I love this and how I hope it's true

 

[shadowmoon522]

Well, Zinnia opened the whole "multiverse" can of worms, so XY & ΩRαS may not take place in the same universe as that of BW/B2W2 where the Royal Unova is completed. Honestly, the only reference point we have for XY taking place simultaneously to B2W2 was that one Tweet made a long time ago, and personally I feel that ΩRαS renders it completely null-and-void due to the opening of the multiverse timeline (as in, if they do take place simultaneously, they do so in different timelines, so the Unova of B2W2 may not be the same as the Unova in the ΩRαS universe). .

here's the tweet:

Without derailing the subject onto the topic of the mess of a timeline we have now, I'll explain my reasoning: the O-Power guy, Mr. Bonding, does not exist in ΩRαS until you get the colorful bards to combine with the "powerless man." Then Mr. Bonding says he will go spread his O-Powers across the world. Mr. Bonding then appears in XY all across hotels in Kalos. So there are two options: one, XY takes place after ΩRαS; or two, XY takes place at the same time as ΩRαS, albeit with some staggering (similar to DPP and HGSS: the beginning of DPP, with the Red Gyarados outbreak, is about a quarter or half of the way into the events of HGSS). (Also, I'm 99% certain that the Great War was referenced in ΩRαS as having taken place 3000 years ago, which could very well just be them generalizing, but since the writers took such great...care in distinctly introducing the concept of multiple universes in regards to the canonity of ΩRαS vs. RSE, they obviously care about specifics in their timeline. So I interpreted that reference as another hint that they are trying to establish that ΩRαS and XY take place simultaneously, otherwise they would have said something along the lines of "It took place almost 3000 years ago," etc.).

ΩRαS took place at least a decade before x/y. for all we know that war could have been going on for about 50 years.
in our own real world history, the reconquest of spain took 770 years to be finished & then theres the 335 year war. hell, the current "war on terror" has been going on for 13 years. its highly possible that the war was 3000 years before both games given the amount of time a war can take as well as the lapse of time between the games.

(and even the loose end regarding why in the blazes does Looker simply wash ashore on the Battle Resort with amnesia? What is the purpose of that? I don't understand!).

that was a few years before he showed up in platinum and there's a lot about looker no one knows, such as what happened to his crogunk. i think they're doing that on purpose though, he's supposed to be a international man of mystery after all.
now getting to the point, heres how i see the time lines as being:

R/B/G/R/S→D/P/G/S→B/W→B2/W2
FR/LF/ΩRαS→Pt/HG/SS→B/W→B2/W2/X/Y
Y/E→D/P/G/S→B/W→B2/W2

the middle is the one where currently on & the 2 on the sides are the ones zinnia warned of. this also explains why mega evolution doesn't exist in R/S/E, both of the times lines on either side are timelines where the 3000 prior war did not take place. the middle one can be split up even further, but the way it is now gives one the best idea of events with the only differences that would really occur between the parallels would be what pokemon shows up & which team is on the side of the player & what gender the player is, small decisions... not stuff of grand importance for determining the general timeline of events.