May 15, 2008: California Supreme Court Legalizes Same Sex Marriage

[El Gofre]

Not to sound hateful, but a majority of this country does not want Gay Marriage, and you really should be a little more thankful that the government has provided something that allows two people to be partners without offending political and religious groups.

The majority of the country is yet to open their eyes then. All people should be given equal treatment regardless of race, religion, sexuality, anything. Political correctness is a thing of the past, because nowadays everyone is offended by something. To use this as an example, by appeasing religious groupls you may offend the gay community.

 

[Virtual Chatot]

You misunderstand the phrase, "All men are created equal".

It means that all people stand equal before the law, this does not apply to marriage, taxes, and social standing.

Equality is impossible as long as there is breeding, not everyone is born rich, not everyone is born with the normal human physique.

The majority of the country is yet to open their eyes then. All people should be given equal treatment regardless of race, religion, sexuality, anything. Political correctness is a thing of the past, because nowadays everyone is offended by something. To use this as an example, by appeasing religious groupls you may offend the gay community.

The American Government was based on something called Majority Rule. This means that the country is supposed to operate on the will of the majority. Not to say that Minorities such as Homosexuals* don't get a say, but the government is not supposed to trip all over the place to accommodate everyone's beliefs and personal preferences.
* As of 2008, Only 5% of the total American Population is Homosexual

 

[Xairmo]

I'd just like to point out that there are these nifty little things called "amendments", and they're much like the little edit buttons at the bottom of every post :P

 

[Virtual Chatot]

I'd just like to point out that there are these nifty little things called "amendments", and they're much like the little edit buttons at the bottom of every post :P

Now that's just wrong in my opinion, because you're trying to completely change the base from what this country was founded on.

Also, there is no current amendment discussing marriage at all.

 

[Xairmo]

The basis this country was found on was, more or less, freedom. Though it was more focused on religious freedom when first formed. So how is the promotion of equality and freedom via one amendment changing the base of what the country was found on?

 

[Waudby]

I personally have no problem with the whol egay marriage thing.

But like it's ben said before, it's when adoption comes along that things become hazey.

Everyone is stating peoples rights, but what about the adopted children, while most people still don't understand or accept the believes or the gay community then any adopted child will always be prejudiced against, thus making him NOT EQUAL to a child who's parents are straight.

I just believe that if it's not naturally possible for two men or two women to have children together then it's obviously a sign for something.

 

[icomeanon6]

If you ask me, this whole thread is just a preplanned flame war. There's just no way that anyone can make a post here stating that gay marriage is wrong without offending someone. I think the first step to creating understanding in a society is to not provoke people that you disagree with.

Another thing, doesn't anyone here think that it's a little early to draw this much attention to this event? In all likelihood, checks and balances are going to overturn this decision. It will ultimately come down to how the citizens of California feel about the issue. And, if those opposed to homosexual marriage become more politically active now that it appears that those who support it may come out victorious, a vote during this coming fall may just show general opposition.

 

[Xairmo]

If you ask me, this whole thread is just a preplanned flame war. There's just no way that anyone can make a post here stating that gay marriage is wrong without offending someone. I think the first step to creating understanding in a society is to not provoke people that you disagree with.

Another thing, doesn't anyone here think that it's a little early to draw this much attention to this event? In all likelihood, checks and balances are going to overturn this decision. It will ultimately come down to how the citizens of California feel about the issue. And, if those opposed to homosexual marriage become more politically active now that it appears that those who support it may come out victorious, a vote during this coming fall may just show general opposition.

Theres a difference between saying you oppose it than just flat our saying it's wrong. Though I do agree that it is wise not to provoke those who disagree with you, because that'll just cause more tension :/ But is there really anyway to discuss a serious topic without people getting offended? Feelings are bound to be hurt when a topic such as this arises, but I feel it is something that must be acknowledged. The first step to creating an accepting society is to recognize the discrimination that has been going on. What is even worse, is that discrimination against gay people seems socially acceptable amongst the majority of this country. I find that to be rather disgusting.

 

[Phanima]

There will always be some religious precedence with topics like these and any resulting discussions will no doubt offend some, but personally, I think it's fortunate that gay marriages are finally starting to be realised.

I know in Australia that same-sex marriages were unrecognised under the old federal law, but I'm glad to see that the new Labor Government is pushing to remove the discrimination in these laws sometime this year. Of course, I'm just biased towards the 'pro-same-sex-marriage'.

 

[Careful With That Axe Pichu!]

The American Government was based on something called Majority Rule. This means that the country is supposed to operate on the will of the majority. Not to say that Minorities such as Homosexuals don't get a say, but the government is not supposed to trip all over the place to accommodate everyone's beliefs and personal preferences.

We're not talking of a total support for gay marriage in America, it's just California; at least in there, as you can read, your majority rule apparently led to this legalization.

Minorities such as Homosexuals* [...] * As of 2008, Only 5% of the total American Population is Homosexual

That's not relevant at all o.ó You don't have to be homosexual to support gay marriage, you know.

 

[txteclipse]

I don't support it. I believe that marriage is the union of a man and woman for the purpose of a sanctified sexual relationship. There's obviously a lot of things that go with that, such as loving and trusting your partner, but that's a big part of it. Some may say that being gay isn't a choice, that it's genetic or whatever, and they can't help it, and therefore should be allowed to marry. However, if you believe in evolution, you'd realize that gay genes would have been bred out of the species long ago, if they existed at all (a gay relationship obviously does not produce offspring). Otherwise, religions usually do not condone homosexuality. This is what I personally believe, and I'm not trying to call anyone out or condemn anyone. Talk to me through PM if I've unintentionally insulted you, and we'll try to work something out.

 

[Xairmo]

I suppose your evolution theory does make sense, but I dont think gay people of that time would have really recognized that they had the gay gene. Especially not cave men. I think that even if they did posses the gay gene they'd reproduce just because everyone else was.

 

[Azonic]

I do not understand why gay marriage is looked down upon so much in the government. If two people, men or women, have feelings and are compassionate about eachother strongly enough to get married, then they should aim for marriage and try to live a happy life. Sure, the percentage of divorced gay couples are much higher than heterosexual couples. But if two partners truly believe that they were "meant for eachother", then we should give them a chance of a happy relationship and family. If they do divorce, however, they are responsible for their decision and maybe had not made the right choice, but at least they have had a chance! American laws against gay marriages are taking away freedom and opportunities for the citizens. The gay population is rather small, but that does not mean that being gay is the incorrect behavior. Homosexual people are just different from the majority, just like a smaller race or religion is. Just because they have a different belief in life does not mean their freedom should be taken away from them. The government was far too biased and religiously established to enforce the ban of homosexual marriage. Marriage, for all I know, is two partners believing that they have a future together, and an opportunity for a family. Gay people simply aren't interested in the opposite gender, and what is so wrong about that? A law against gay marriage is a law that takes away all of the hope for a future and a family. Everyone is different – some like nature, some like video games, some like the color yellow, some like sports, and some like people of the same gender. We all have likes and dislikes, and gay marriage is just another factor of it. When one says that gay marriage is wrong and banned, they should think of how this is effecting the gay population. What if America had banned heterosexual marriage, and you were heterosexual? Put yourself in the minority's shoes, and take in the emotions that you would have – how would you feel? They may be different, but so what? I believe in equality in America, and equality will go nowhere with such marriage ban. As for the adoption issue, it would be the parents' responsibility to make sure that the child feels safe and good. If they can't handle the responsibilities, then they simply shouldn't have a child. I, myself, would not be interested in other men. I still fully approve and have no problem with seeing a homosexual relationship because I realize and truly believe that everyone has differences, and we have to accept those differences.

 

[Virtual Chatot]

We're not talking of a total support for gay marriage in America, it's just California; at least in there, as you can read, your majority rule apparently led to this legalization.

You're actually wrong there, activist judges are the ones who made the decision.

I think in the public opinion polls, it was something like 85% against it 12% for it.

Also, America as a whole is relative because the ultimate goal of Homosexual Marriage Activists is an amendment to the constitution validating Homosexual marriage.

That's not relevant at all o.ó You don't have to be homosexual to support gay marriage, you know.

As of 2003, 65% of American Citizens do not support Homosexual marriage. That means roughly only 35% of the people actually support it alongside Homosexuals, assuming that there aren't any Homosexuals who appose Homosexual Marriage.

 

[Xairmo]

Thge American population can vote there freakin' brains out all they want, the fact of the matter was banning gay marriage violated the state constitution. By denying gays the right to marriage, the constitution went against all that it stood for and all that it we as a whole sorked so hard to establish. Why would I abide by a state constitution if all it does is contradict all that it stood for?
As for adoption, it was to my understanding that the point of adoption is to put children who were unfortunate enough to not have parents into a safe and loving enviornment. So by denying gays the right to adopt, is that not pretty much saying they're incapable of love and keeping a child safe? There is one undeniable thing the gay community has, and that is unconditionable love that we have to share with the world and all those who inhabit it.

 

[Chikara]

Good for them :D

Love has no gender, that's my opinion. People like who they like, no one should think or be able to tell someone they're wrong for that ;<

 

[Akio123]

I really don't get why so many people are against Gay marriage. I mean I understand the arguements, but in reality it's no one's buisness, but the people who want to get married. I mean like it seems to me, people are just afraid of progression in all aspects. I mean what's so wrong if two people love each other and want to get married. They aren't so different from anyone else. It's not like they were not suppose to exist. People need to just accept that everyone deserves equal rights such as marriage. This should really not be an issue.

 

[El Gofre]

As for adoption, it was to my understanding that the point of adoption is to put children who were unfortunate enough to not have parents into a safe and loving enviornment. So by denying gays the right to adopt, is that not pretty much saying they're incapable of love and keeping a child safe? There is one undeniable thing the gay community has, and that is unconditionable love that we have to share with the world and all those who inhabit it.

While I am completely supportive of gay marriage (As i have already expressed), I am on the fence with the issue of adoption, if anything leaning against. A good friend of mine left compulsory education a full two years before she was legally allowed to because of the sheer abuse she recieved from ignorant children and even their parents. She was a perfectly normal girl, nothing was wrong with her at all, but the extent to which she was bullied drove her out of something she is fully entitled to. This is all I have to go by, I do not pretend to knowledgable on the situation, but if this problem is at all frequent than it could be reason enough to disallow it. The sad fact is that for one reason or another, there will always be millions of people who see it fit to mistreat those who are gay or associated with them, and it's a lot harder for children to stand up for themselves without fully understanding why they should need to.

 

[Virtual Chatot]

Thge American population can vote there freakin' brains out all they want, the fact of the matter was banning gay marriage violated the state constitution. By denying gays the right to marriage, the constitution went against all that it stood for and all that it we as a whole sorked so hard to establish. Why would I abide by a state constitution if all it does is contradict all that it stood for?
As for adoption, it was to my understanding that the point of adoption is to put children who were unfortunate enough to not have parents into a safe and loving enviornment. So by denying gays the right to adopt, is that not pretty much saying they're incapable of love and keeping a child safe? There is one undeniable thing the gay community has, and that is unconditionable love that we have to share with the world and all those who inhabit it.

You are wrong, the California Constitution doesn't even mention marriage at all. If you don't believe me, check for yourself.
Also, your statement about homosexuals being some monumental force bent on love and peace for all just made me laugh a little.

Have you seen San Francisco lately, the Homosexual Parades there are anything but love for all. Dressing up like Nuns, storming into churches, and harassing anti-homosexual persons doesn't look like "love for all" to me.

 

[Stalin Malone]

A good step for California to take but imposing same sex marriage on a nationwide basis right now would just cause backlash. Wait a few decades for that.