Autism, Aspergers syndrome etc.

[Soul Eater]

I don't think you realize what's wrong with that sentence.

I have a friend with mild Autism, not like it matters. \D He's pretty normal outside of concentration and stuff. It's definitely real.

Autism is hard to see. That's why it's considered a hidden disability and a lot of people don't know very much about it.

It's pretty sad. I mean, like I said, there are cases where a child is diagnosed with it because of some profound behavioral issue and the child may be just being a child.

Autism is more than that and sometimes symptoms will depend on the severity of the autism itself. Some autistic children have a more profound case of Autism that makes it easier to see and others will have only mild cases and probably have the ability to act like everyone else, just with some imbalance.

What would you know? Both my brother and I are autistic and were raised by physically and emotionally abusive parents. I would hardly call them lenient. Secondly, it isn't a mental disorder; it's a pervasive developmental / personality disorder. How do they indicate it's poor parenting? If you're going to spout utter crap like that, back it up. Currently, science is on our side, not yours -- autism and Asperger's syndrome are both recognised DSM-IV disorders, unless you're going to call the combined efforts of psychiatry psuedoscience?

That's my girl. <3

 

[Zennerick]

Autism and Aspergers syndrome are both pseudoscience. The descriptions of both indicate that it's the effect of poor (read: lenient) parenting on the parts of parents that causes both and not any sort of 'mental disorder'.

By reading this, I can easily determine that you are a Scientologist.
You people have no evidence to back this up. If I were to ask you
why autism doesn't exist, i'd most likely get no awnser.

 

[Corvus of the Black Night]

Well, I believe that Autism is a true and serious condition, however, it is way too over-diagnosed.

For example, take myself. Supposedly I have autism because I stand on my toes and I wear my pants over my waist. Even though standing on ones toes is odd (I actually do it because my feet aren't shaped properly and I will not balance unless I stand on my toes), simply these little "quirks" do not determine if one is Autistic or not.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist - it does and I feel sorry for those afflicted with it. However, it should be addressed that some children are being told they are autistic when not. Would you want to be falsely diagnosed with cancer? ALS? AIDS?

On a sidenote - I know several people with Aspergers. It's odd, each case is completely unique. Another reason why we have to be careful with diagnosing these things - my friend Sean, for example, is almost a completely functional person in society, however, when he doesn't agree with you, you just can't get your argument through. Another person I know named Tim, is on the completely opposite side of the spectrum. The kid won't even talk to me after I turned him down to his attempted conversion 5 years ago. The spectrum is almost too wide to measure, let alone accurately.

 

[Soul Eater]

By reading this, I can easily determine that you are a Scientologist.
I have one thing to say to you; you people are completely crazy.

I think he already gets it? D: If not, what Kylie said will surely make him think twice.

Anyway, let's try to get back on topic before a mod comes back in here. I think a mod already saw his post.

I wouldn't say my life is better with autism. I've realized that because I have such a low IQ, I've had a more difficult time being an average adult.

I've also been seen as a 14 year old before. People look at me and think I'm under 18. It's rather funny but because of this, no one really seems to bother wondering if I'm over 18.

I'm not sure if I'll ever be able to live on my own. I know that I have a good vocabulary but it's not the vocabulary that can get me a job at the local supermarket and my own apartment.

I don't know how to perform normal living skills. Sure, I can brush my teeth, take a bath and put on my own clothes but the things I can't do are doing my own laundry, vacuuming, and all the daily chores.

My autism could be more profound then it works out to be. It's a total mystery but it is there.

Though, i do think I might have a mild to moderate case of mental retardation too...

Don't feel sorry for us. We may have alot of challenges but doesn't everyone? We've all learned to cope with what we are dealing with.

It's not like we have cancer. It's also not a SERIOUS CONDITION. It's just what Kylie said and alot of autistic people become successful with their lives.

It depends on severity and even so, it's not like we are dealing with some that will kill us someday. Don't treat us like we are diseased, treat us like normal individuals because we just might surprise you with skills you never even dreamed of.

 

[Corvus of the Black Night]

I know some people who have mental disabilities as well. They range from those that only take one "slowed" down class to those who can't even tie their shoes. I sit with them at lunch because I realize that all they have is eachother, and they are ostricized (gah, spelling) by everyone else. It makes me sick to see all the people who ignore them. When I got to know them, they turned out to share more in common with me than a lot of the people in my Advanced classes. Unlike others in the lunchroom, these people may not be so Trivia smart, or even sometimes functionally-smart. But what I see in them is something I don't see in a lot of people. Respect. Loyalty. Kindness. And maybe just plain joy.

Some people I see are just worried about how others view them, so they don't sit with these "outcastes". I realize that I'm a weirdo because of my unusual "quirks" and strange, but socially acceptable, behaviour (such as cosplay in school - hey, its comfy, its cool and its not against the school rules in any way, so what the hey?). At the cost of conformity, I gain independence. I realize that they're different as well, so rather than letting our differences split us apart, I allow our similarities to form friendships.

Thus is living proof that an IQ of 40 and an IQ of 136 have nothing to do with the person you really are.

And wow, Misayu, you type so intellegently, with such deep thought. You can't possibly have that low of an IQ. Intellegence is something that's hard to measure accurately due to its many forms.

I don't think there's a techical term for this, but I have a very unusal mental disorder - almost once every 3 hours, I have a totally uncontrolled thought on suicide. It's completely random, and makes no sense whatsoever. It started to really pop up a few months ago when I fell to my deepest emotional low, but now the thoughts just echo.
It's not like I actually want to go out and kill myself - it's comletely random, and I have to dispell of the thought consiously, or else it won't go away.
Hm... I don't know what that really would be.

 

[Soul Eater]

I know some people who have mental disabilities as well. They range from those that only take one "slowed" down class to those who can't even tie their shoes. I sit with them at lunch because I realize that all they have is eachother, and they are ostricized (gah, spelling) by everyone else. It makes me sick to see all the people who ignore them. When I got to know them, they turned out to share more in common with me than a lot of the people in my Advanced classes. Unlike others in the lunchroom, these people may not be so Trivia smart, or even sometimes functionally-smart. But what I see in them is something I don't see in a lot of people. Respect. Loyalty. Kindness. And maybe just plain joy.

Some people I see are just worried about how others view them, so they don't sit with these "outcastes". I realize that I'm a weirdo because of my unusual "quirks" and strange, but socially acceptable, behaviour (such as cosplay in school - hey, its comfy, its cool and its not against the school rules in any way, so what the hey?). At the cost of conformity, I gain independence. I realize that they're different as well, so rather than letting our differences split us apart, I allow our similarities to form friendships.

Thus is living proof that an IQ of 40 and an IQ of 136 have nothing to do with the person you really are.

And wow, Misayu, you type so intellegently, with such deep thought. You can't possibly have that low of an IQ. Intellegence is something that's hard to measure.

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wtf? I type normally because I've been on PC for four years. It has noting to do with my Autism, just common sense and following everyone else that types with intellegence.

You can't go judging a person by the way they write. I only write like this because I follow examples from my friends. When I said that autistic people can surprise you, I meant it.

Just because someone has a disability doesn't make them stupid. No one wants pity because they have a disability and they can learn like everyone else.

They just learn slower than normal people. I know alot about my disability and also about others because I have friends who had all sorts of different disabilities and they were as smart as any normal person.

I think it's called...depression? There is no unusual condition for something like that other than depression. Anyway, I think I've made my point here.

 

[Corvus of the Black Night]

Huh? Whoa, you totally missed my message =O I did not try to call you stupid.

No, what I was saying was that you aren't stupid. Intellegence is a relative thing. So is IQ. Sure, learning slower has a negative connentation, but it does not make you stupid.

And I don't really feel pity towards you, either. I mean you can write beautifully. Besides, being on a forum for four years does not change your actual perception on the real world. Someone can type complete garbage with good grammar and fancy words, but it's when you actually mean what you say when people start thinking you're smart.

To be honest, I maybe book-smart, but I have absolutely atrocious orginazational skills and terrible handwriting, and although I may not be antisocial, I have a difficult time being status quo. The last post is a perfect example of one of my other downfalls - I can't communicate very well either (which is obviously one of your advantages). As I said, intellegence is a hard thing to measure because it has so many forms.

Even someone who can't tie their own shoes has something in them that makes them intellegent.

 

[Soul Eater]

Huh? Whoa, you totally missed my message =O I did not try to call you stupid.

No, what I was saying was that you aren't stupid. Intellegence is a relative thing. So is IQ. Sure, learning slower has a negative connentation, but it does not make you stupid.

And I don't really feel pity towards you, either. I mean you can write beautifully. Besides, being on a forum for four years does not change your actual perception on the real world. Someone can type complete garbage with good grammar and fancy words, but it's when you actually mean what you say when people start thinking you're smart.

To be honest, I maybe book-smart, but I have absolutely atrocious orginazational skills and terrible handwriting, and although I may not be antisocial, I have a difficult time being status quo. The last post is a perfect example of one of my other downfalls - I can't communicate very well either. As I said, intellegence is a hard thing to measure because it has so many forms.

Even someone who can't tie their own shoes has something in them that makes them intellegent.

That's because I'm a writer. I am very good at writing and have done it ever since I was in fifth grade. It's just my biggest strength.

Believe me, I do learn slower than you would think. I also forgot to mention that I am terrible with math and reading comprehension.

Though, I can read exceptionally well but when i read a book, I can't tell you what the book was about. I also have trouble reading aloud because I stutter and mess up with my reading.

 

[Idiot!]

Well, being the unique person that I am, I don't do much differentiation between living things. Yes. I am pretty much free from sexism, racism and other silly biases. I have two friends who are like that too: my dog and my mosquito plant. Rest in peace, both of you, for being loyal friends who stick with me to the end.

Unlike you guys, I do not have sleeping difficulties, but I find it hard to wake up. I have a messy table, but if you think I have a messy head, clear your table so it becomes empty. Now tell me what do you think of the owner.

I have a wonderful logical reasoning and mathematical ability. No, I cannot do cube roots of an eight digit number in my head, but I can grasp scientific concepts real fast. It helped me win awards from science-based competitions. The only thing stopping me from becoming a detective is my non-existent social skills.

I have no real ability to write a story that is beautiful to everyone else, mainly because all my metaphors and logic make no sense to others. I cannot stand the two extremes of food: spicy and icy. My human friends cannot accept why I have to lick my ice cream instead of biting off a big chunk, or why I hate spicy food. "Ice cream freezes my teeth" and "I am sensitive to the spicy sensation" cannot be comprehended by them.

 

[Soul Eater]

I have to admit, being autistic can have its downers. Yet, it's not like we are immobile and can't do anything, we have flaws but we also have strengths that make up for everything.

As for people with mental disabilities being beyond that of a normal human, it is possible. For every flaw there is a plus side. The greater the flaw, the greater the plus.

^ Let's not forget this.

I know someone who had a very severe case of Autism. He couldn't talk well at all but he was very good at computers. I mean this kid could search for anything. He loved playing those online games and it really surprises you since most people think severe autistic people can't do very much.

He could speak but he couldn't speak well. When he wanted internet he didn't say, can I go on the internet? He would say, "eteh" because that's all he could pronounce. He was very sweet though and I actually miss him.

Even kids with down syndrome have the will power of a normal human being. Those kids probably can't read, write or even do math at a normal level but they are very good at special olympics. They have the best personalities and they are totally adorable.

I had three friends with down syndrome and they were all very sweet. Sure, you may find one kid who maybe be really mean but it's not like you won't find a normal human being who is mean.

People learn from their parents, they learn from peers and they learn from anyone that is willing to give them a hand. What they learn is what builds their personality and what's also what builds us too. We've come this far and I don't think we'll let anyone tell us we aren't autistic or we don't have the will power to do something we love.

 

[Virtual Chatot]

My cousin was diagnosed with a mild form of Autism, which was found to be the fault of the Doctors at the hospital when he was born. ( from what I've heard, they gave him a medicine which they knew might cause Autism, but didn't ask my aunt if it was ok to give it to him ) So after a very well played lawsuit, they are all living in comfort. My cousin is six now, and he spends most of his time playing video games or going to the beach with my aunt. Apparently his form of Autism is something that people can grow out of, and he already sounds like he isn't Autistic, but more...eccentric

Autism and Aspergers syndrome are both pseudoscience. The descriptions of both indicate that it's the effect of poor (read: lenient) parenting on the parts of parents that causes both and not any sort of 'mental disorder'.

I hate to break it to you, but untill you've actually helped taken care of an Autistic child for a month of your life, you have no clue what the hell you are talking about.

 

[Soul Eater]

My cousin was diagnosed with a mild form of Autism, which was found to be the fault of the Doctors at the hospital when he was born. ( from what I've heard, they gave him a medicine which they knew might cause Autism, but didn't ask my aunt if it was ok to give it to him ) So after a very well played lawsuit, they are all living in comfort. My cousin is six now, and he spends most of his time playing video games or going to the beach with my aunt. Apparently his form of Autism is something that people can grow out of, and he already sounds like he isn't Autistic, but more...eccentric

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Autism isn't caused by anything. No matter what people tell you. The causes of Autism are totally unknown because if it was a some medicine that caused your cousin to get Autism, then that would be the case for me and all the people in here that said they have it were the same way.

Also, you can't grow out of Autism. Now matter what case you have because it stays with you for the rest of your life.

 

[Virtual Chatot]

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Autism isn't caused by anything. No matter what people tell you. The causes of Autism are totally unknown because if it was a some medicine that caused your cousin to get Autism, then that would be the case for me and all the people in here that said they have it were the same way.

Also, you can't grow out of Autism. Now matter what case you have because it stays with you for the rest of your life.

Of course you can't "grow out of it", but you can improve to a more controllable level over your actions :/

Fallacy of words on my part, I should have been more descriptive.

MMR and DPT vaccinations, google it.

Look, I was just stating what my Aunt and parents told me :/

 

[Soul Eater]

Of course you can't "grow out of it", but you can improve to a more controllable level over your actions :/

Fallacy of words on my part, I should have been more descriptive.

MMR and DPT vaccinations, google it.

Look, I was just stating what my Aunt and parents told me :/

MMR and DPT haven't even been confirmed as a cause of Autism. They have only said that they MIGHT be. Just because they MIGHT be doesn't mean they are caused by it somehow.

Don't think I don't know about Autism.

You are right, people who have autism can become successful and some can't. It doesn't mean that because they learned to cope or improve on their cases doesn't mean they outgrew it. It just means they were able to find a way to overcome the boundaries. Those people still have trouble with flaws.

 

[~ Yukishii]

Nothing has been proven to cause Autism.
One that has been assumed is agents that cause birth defects.
Pretty much the only one that makes even the slightest sense to me.

 

[Soul Eater]

Nothing has been proven to cause Autism.
One that has been assumed is agents that cause birth defects.
Pretty much the only one that makes even the slightest sense to me.

Nothing has been proven. Everything that has been tossed out there is speculation, a total hunch.

Autism is totally unknown and I don't think we will ever know it's true cause. It seems to me like most of these cases that the claim are sky-rocketing could be all misdiagnosis.

It's so easy to misdiagnosis someone as having asperger syndrome. Let alone just Autism and other people seem to make sound like its a total epidemic.

It's getting way out of hand because now everyone wants to have a cure. It makes me so mad sometimes because people know so little about Autism that they are treating it like some deadly cancer.

No matter how much you explain, there will always end up being some crackpot that doesn't know what the hell they are talking about.

 

[Penguin13]

Autism and Aspergers syndrome are both pseudoscience. The descriptions of both indicate that it's the effect of poor (read: lenient) parenting on the parts of parents that causes both and not any sort of 'mental disorder'.

CAUTION: OVERSIMPLIFICATION ALERT. ^

Seriously. So by your definition, ADD/ADHD would be caused by poor parenting?

No. The reason you think that is because of the over-prescription of drugs that treat these disorders. Doctors "mis-diagnose" and prescribe medication for these disorders simply for the money.

 

[Corvus of the Black Night]

No. The reason you think that is because of the over-prescription of drugs that treat these disorders. Doctors "mis-diagnose" and prescribe medication for these disorders simply for the money.

A terrible truth that almost happened to me; luckily my parents are smart enough to realize that walking on one's toes is NOT a symptom of Autism.

 

[Soul Eater]

CAUTION: OVERSIMPLIFICATION ALERT. ^

Seriously. So by your definition, ADD/ADHD would be caused by poor parenting?

No. The reason you think that is because of the over-prescription of drugs that treat these disorders. Doctors "mis-diagnose" and prescribe medication for these disorders simply for the money.

Wait, what are you saying?

I'll have you know that I suffer from ADHD and Autism. Those medications have helped me deal with stimulation and anxiety. I said nothing about medication.

Even I could tell you that. You have to have more than six or my symptoms to be diagnosed with Autism. Also, walking on ones toes isn't really an autistic trait. I've never walked on my toes except for fun and I don't do it because of Autism, I do it because it's fun.

 

[Corvus of the Black Night]

No, he's saying that, yes, it exists, but it is overdiagnosed, and the reason is because the drug companies can make money off of it. I believe I said this here:

Well, I believe that Autism is a true and serious condition, however, it is way too over-diagnosed.

For example, take myself. Supposedly I have autism because I stand on my toes and I wear my pants over my waist. Even though standing on ones toes is odd (I actually do it because my feet aren't shaped properly and I will not balance unless I stand on my toes), simply these little "quirks" do not determine if one is Autistic or not.

I'm not saying it doesn't exist - it does and I feel sorry for those afflicted with it. However, it should be addressed that some children are being told they are autistic when not. Would you want to be falsely diagnosed with cancer? ALS? AIDS?

It IS overdiagnosed, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's terrible that people would utilize disorders, though.

I think that Lipator/Crestor is an excellent example of another drug that is way oversuscribed for the drugmaker's profit. It's sick.