6th Gen OR/AS Chit Chat + CoroCoro Discussion

[Elaitenstile]

Heh, "good boost in sales" is probably an understatement, the buzz this game is generating is scaring me.

Totally lol. By their awkward way of advertising (presenting a really awesome concept in an ominous manner) they would probably fill up enough speculation to occupy all of Earth's airspace. It's either going to be a big hit or a real franchise-changer. I never thought one remake could do all this though.

 

[Echidna]

Totally lol. By their awkward way of advertising (presenting a really awesome concept in an ominous manner) they would probably fill up enough speculation to occupy all of Earth's airspace. It's either going to be a big hit or a real franchise-changer. I never thought one remake could do all this though.

The thing about these games is that the speculation started way, way before they were even announced, or confirmed for that matter. I remember posting RSE remake speculation in a thread as far back as 2010. And that's only when I'd joined PC, the speculation had been going on for a few more years at least.

Don't know why, but this seems like the remake of all remakes. It's the event everyone's been anticipating for over half a decade, even those who don't really want it.

A 30-second video with no game-play whatsoever practically broke the internet. Nintendo.

 

[Elaitenstile]

A 30-second video with no game-play whatsoever practically broke the internet. Nintendo.

Go figure.

I guess you're right about the anticipation part, I used to think they should remake Hoenn back when they barely released HGSS because they've remade Johto and the next generation should have the Hoenn remakes.

Gen III was made at the right influx of Pokémon fans, it was probably the time where old Pokémon fans played and new ones also came up because of the overhaul of the gameplay. I guess that was when the fandom actually started growing steadily, as Gen I and Gen II were arguably the most classic Pokémon games. Gen III offered lots new, it showed Pokémon as a standard RPG game that everyone can find pretty interesting. No wonder people have started hardpressing for remakes then and there.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Totally lol. By their awkward way of advertising (presenting a really awesome concept in an ominous manner) they would probably fill up enough speculation to occupy all of Earth's airspace. It's either going to be a big hit or a real franchise-changer. I never thought one remake could do all this though.

Well one has to remember that RSE were the first real reboot of the series long before Unova came along (honestly Unova didn't feel much like a reboot...especially the sequels). So their remakes being game changes may simply be in line with the rebooting nature of the games the region of Hoenn is associated with.

 

[Echidna]

Go figure.

I guess you're right about the anticipation part, I used to think they should remake Hoenn back when they barely released HGSS because they've remade Johto and the next generation should have the Hoenn remakes.

Gen III was made at the right influx of Pokémon fans, it was probably the time where old Pokémon fans played and new ones also came up because of the overhaul of the gameplay. I guess that was when the fandom actually started growing steadily, as Gen I and Gen II were arguably the most classic Pokémon games. Gen III offered lots new, it showed Pokémon as a standard RPG game that everyone can find pretty interesting. No wonder people have started hardpressing for remakes then and there.

As soon as HGSS were released, the second most-obvious step for the series (second only to a new generation of games on a new handheld system) was to remake RSE/Gen 3. Definitely not a surprise that what with the delay of these remakes for a whole Generation, speculation and anticipation has continued to accumulate and grow.

I guess maybe they were just trying to hold out on RSE remakes until they knew they could give them the justice they deserved (or make as much money as they could). Or perhaps the negative rep that came from rebooting the series with gen 5 might have influenced them to go ahead with the remakes that they had privately cancelled?

 

[Elaitenstile]

Well one has to remember that RSE were the first real reboot of the series long before Unova came along (honestly Unova didn't feel much like a reboot...especially the sequels). So their remakes being game changes may simply be in line with the rebooting nature of the games the region of Hoenn is associated with.

Yeah, that's true. Johto and Kanto were pretty much tied together, and Johto didn't even have it's own Pokémon League. I guess they just wanted to continue the already popular franchise. Gen III was at the time they probably wanted to fully utilize the new technology offered by the Game Boy Advanced to get the games to be as graphically appealing as the anime was. Most new Pokémon fans would wail at RBGY and GSC's 'ugly graphics' and 'poor game features'. But they would find RSE all right, possibly because it overhauled a lot of mechanics that weren't present as of Gen II.

As soon as HGSS were released, the second most-obvious step for the series (second only to a new generation of games on a new handheld system) was to remake RSE/Gen 3. Definitely not a surprise that what with the delay of these remakes for a whole Generation, speculation and anticipation has continued to accumulate and grow.

I guess maybe they were just trying to hold out on RSE remakes until they knew they could give them the justice they deserved (or make as much money as they could). Or perhaps the negative rep that came from rebooting the series with gen 5 might have influenced them to go ahead with the remakes that they had privately cancelled?

I guess they were shocked by the negative outlook Gen V had gotten by bosom old Pokémon fans, and fearing the decline of the franchise, they quickly thought of adding X&Y which featured lots of old Pokémon and minimal new ones. X&Y could be rightly considered a step away from old Pokémon games, and to give them a sturdy foothold, they perhaps leaked out the RSE remakes to prevent fans from dwelling on X&Y itself and not look into the future.

 

[Altius]

Honestly, I'm really glad that RS remakes only happened now. To me, Gen V was terrible. Lags, pixelated sprites all over, and I kinda dislike the Unova region.

Gen VI is beautiful. Although there can be choppy framerates, the graphics are generally a massive overhaul. Kalos somewhat has that french-feel to it too with a large diversity of Pokemon.

 

[blue]

RSE Remakes to happen in Gen V would be too similar in terms of graphics to the third gen, atleast this time we're getting fully 3D models which is much more of a step forward from Gen III grahpics now.

 

[Ghost Lunis]

I just hope the "remakes" feature newer pokemon than just what's in the original games. It's been so long since the originals came out that they could easily fit in new pokemon and you would only have about half of the fan base crying. I've started to love the gen 6 pokemon and feel it would be terrible to not add some new pokemon that I'm sure plenty of people besides me have taken a liking too. Just saying.
Also, it can't be a complete remake, there has to be new stuff in it. Otherwise, how would they fit in new forms for the mascots? So that makes me wonder what else GF has up their sleeve. Knowing GF, they have some neat stuff they are waiting to roll out and the coming months will surely be exciting.

 

[Hatsune Mika]

That does sound very logical but it should be known that "remakes" in Pokémon are usually updated because if its in one generation, take RBY and FrLG, then in the new generation it should have some of the features or all of it, not just take the game, update the graphics, then resell it. That would be a waste of time, and create anger within people which would ruin Nintendo's/GF's profit and reputation.

 

[Pepperton]

RSE Remakes to happen in Gen V would be too similar in terms of graphics to the third gen, atleast this time we're getting fully 3D models which is much more of a step forward from Gen III grahpics now.

This is the most important reason as to why they're making the remakes now. I'm sure that since the release of HGSS they've been planning to remake Hoenn, but because of RSE's graphics being much closer to the modern style than RBY and GSC were, they wanted to wait for the next graphic style change to occur for them to begin developing ORAS. It fit perfectly with gen VI, honestly. It also gives them the chance to continue the trend of new features like Wonder Trade and character customization without creating an entirely new generation.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I just hope the "remakes" feature newer pokemon than just what's in the original games. It's been so long since the originals came out that they could easily fit in new pokemon and you would only have about half of the fan base crying. I've started to love the gen 6 pokemon and feel it would be terrible to not add some new pokemon that I'm sure plenty of people besides me have taken a liking too. Just saying.
Also, it can't be a complete remake, there has to be new stuff in it. Otherwise, how would they fit in new forms for the mascots? So that makes me wonder what else GF has up their sleeve. Knowing GF, they have some neat stuff they are waiting to roll out and the coming months will surely be exciting.

They've added non native Pokemon from the generations after in the post games of the remakes so they'll probably continue that. It would be weird if they didn't...though in a way RS (but not Emerald) did that with the Gen I-II Pokemon not in the Hoenn dex, they didn't even add them in the post game. That made several fans angry so I doubt they'll repeat that this time with the 4-6 Pokemon in these games.

However I wouldn't want to see non-Hoenn dex Pokemon early on except for the evolutions and pre-evolutions and Mega Evolutions (some of the Hoenn megas can be before the post game, but I don't want all the Hoenn megas early on either).

 

[RandomDSdevel]

There's been a consistent pattern (with the slight exception of Gen V) when it comes to release types in generations. This is a perfect fit into that pattern.

Actually, the pattern stays intact if you consider the fact that Generation V wasn't on a new family of consoles yet (GameFrsek may have decided that the members of the DSi subset of the 'Nintendo DS family of systems' — both the original and the XL — were new enough to justify releasing a new generation of Pokémon games for them, but neither handheld bumped us out of the DS era like the 3DS did; besides, GameFreak was probably already working on X and Y by then — does anybody know how long it took for the company to create Generation VI's underlying game/graphics/battle engine? — and wanted to tide us fans over until Gen. VI was ready to release.)

Ruby/Sapphire are more than 10 years old now. In the context of Nintendo releases, it's about time.

You bet it's about time for the RSEmakes!

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Actually, the pattern stays intact if you consider the fact that Generation V wasn't on a new family of consoles yet (GameFrsek may have decided that the members of the DSi subset of the 'Nintendo DS family of systems' — both the original and the XL — were new enough to justify releasing a new generation of Pokémon games for them, but neither handheld bumped us out of the DS era like the 3DS did; besides, GameFreak was probably already working on X and Y by then — does anybody know how long it took for the company to create Generation VI's underlying game/graphics/battle engine? — and wanted to tide us fans over until Gen. VI was ready to release.)



You bet it's about time for the RSEmakes!

Well they got the kit to make 3DS games around the time they announced BW...so 2010. If so than it took them a max of 3 years (2 1/2 ?) to make XY.

 

[Pepperton]

It's doubtful that they started working on ORAS around the time of the announcement. They've probably been developing it for a while now, or at the very least have completed preliminary planning phases.

 

[Altius]

It's quite obvious that work on ORAS started long ago. How can a game, especially for one like Pokemon, be finished in about 6 months?

My guess is work on ORAS started about when Junichi Masuda replied to the fan tweet about the possibility of a Hoenn remake.

 

[RandomDSdevel]

I agree, May fans would be fuming if she was replaced. Sorta like how many Kris fans hated Lyra as the new female protagonist in HG/SS.

I know! I was kind of annoyed that Kris was replaced since I wanted my sister to be able to play as her in her copy of HeartGold (I haven't quite worked up the nerve to cross-play as the female avatar in my Pokémon games yet…) There's a ROM hack that allows you to use Kris as your female protagonist avatar in HeartGold or SoulSilver, but it hasn't been maintained in forever and I've got a physical copy of the SoulSilver and don't have the heart to download a second copy of it to my AceKard 2.1 flashcart as a ROM (maybe my idea here could work?)

 

[antemortem]

I'm fairly confident it took more than three years to fully create X/Y. I imagine the concept for it was in the making a couple of years before the 3DS was conceived, and Hoenn remakes were already popularized long before that. The ideas and schemes going into these games have likely been on the table for many, many years so I'm confident they'll be very thorough and well-made.

 

[Pepperton]

I know! I was kind of annoyed that Kris was replaced since I wanted my sister to be able to play as her in her copy of HeartGold (I haven't quite worked up the nerve to cross-play as the female avatar in my Pokémon games yet…) There's a ROM hack that allows you to use Kris as your female protagonist avatar in HeartGold or SoulSilver, but it hasn't been maintained in forever and I've got a physical copy of the SoulSilver and don't have the heart to download a second copy of it to my AceKard 2.1 flashcart as a ROM (maybe my idea here could work?)

I would be infuriated if they replaced May! She's such an iconic character in Hoenn, and I think lots of recreational players of the game link her to the region from the anime. In the GSC games it was different, so hopefully they don't end up taking May out for some unworthy replacement character. :[

I'm fairly confident it took more than three years to fully create X/Y. I imagine the concept for it was in the making a couple of years before the 3DS was conceived, and Hoenn remakes were already popularized long before that. The ideas and schemes going into these games have likely been on the table for many, many years so I'm confident they'll be very thorough and well-made.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm fairly confident without searching for factual confirmation that RSE was one of the most popular inclusions to the Pokemon franchise, and it would be an oblivious move by Game Freak not to consider remaking the game. Of course, now that ORAS has been officially announced, the possibility of it not even happening can be brushed aside. They've probably been working on it for a while now. Like Antemortem said, I expect the remakes to be thorough and cover every detail.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

I'm fairly confident it took more than three years to fully create X/Y. I imagine the concept for it was in the making a couple of years before the 3DS was conceived, and Hoenn remakes were already popularized long before that. The ideas and schemes going into these games have likely been on the table for many, many years so I'm confident they'll be very thorough and well-made.

The concept is most likely older than three. They probably start to think up things for the next generation as soon as they finish the first pair. So they probably have had the ideas of XY around the time BW was finishing up...though that may mean four years...