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Ash does NOT need to do anything. The writers could make Ash lose a hundred leagues because it is their choice to make him lose. We don't get a say in the matter.
Is Ash a disappointment?
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Do I really have to remind you of how the twitter feed for the Pok?mon anime got clogged with a slew of negative tweets from fans of BOTH sides of the Pacific after the stunt they pulled in the Kalos League? They wouldn't want to repeat that mistake ESPECIALLY where their wallet would be affected. I know if I were the writers and I got that, I'd be so terrified of experiencing that again I'd even disobey the Pok?mon Company just to ensure Ash wins the next time just to avoid another Twitter storm.
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Fans don't get to decide what happens in the anime. That is fact. The show is NOT dedicated just to older fans. It is for the new fans as well. The show will still be liked regardless of what the minority of fans think.
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Then whats the point of keeping Ash if hes never going to win? Whats the point of making his goal to become a pokemon master if hes never going to get close? Whats the point of having him go in to a league if hes going to fail in the end to BS? Whats the point of giving him strong pokemon if there going to fail in the end?
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I think my biggest question whenever this comes up is - if Ash wins a league, what next? Him losing a league provides the smoothest segway to a new region, but if he wins a league, what incentive does he have to start over? Ash is an iconic character and instantly associated with Pokemon so tbh I don't think it would be a wise marketing decision to ever part ways with him.
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To get stronger and win the next region league and get to the point where he can beat both the E4 and the Champion.
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Ash is made for both older and new fans. He is not a character to be replaced. If he was, then the show would no longer be watchable for me. Ash is here to stay and i like it that way.
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Then have him win something you can keep Ash and have him win Yu-Gi-Oh proves this.
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No. Ash is not disappointing. His situations often are. Usually something either directly influences or causes him to fail; or he gives it his all, only to be surprisingly outdone by his opponent oftentimes in strange or unpredictable ways that you can't even expect any trainer to be able to predict or even reliably counter.
If Ash's battles played out on a game; most people would call it bad RNG or luck. Because negative or unusual luck is quite common for Ash, it means that the majority of his league losses are generally not his fault.
Interrupted battles and league tournaments are the worst offender here. The wasted energy, lost momentum and mental disruption are all things that work against him. Additionally; his companions are often another source of distraction, although they offset their impact by being supportive sometimes, but this is random and not always effective.
Misty, May, Dawn, Cilan*, Iris** and Serena are all big attention sinks, being the prominent female in Ash's life during the journey. Sometimes this influence was a net negative, causing Ash to feel awkward and make bad calls or miss crucial information.
*Cilan was so effeminate he often played the role. While he provided no distraction as a love interest, he offered plenty others with his personality.
**Not so much Love interest as antagonistic; probably the worst companion Ash had.
If Ash's battles played out on a game; most people would call it bad RNG or luck. Because negative or unusual luck is quite common for Ash, it means that the majority of his league losses are generally not his fault.
Interrupted battles and league tournaments are the worst offender here. The wasted energy, lost momentum and mental disruption are all things that work against him. Additionally; his companions are often another source of distraction, although they offset their impact by being supportive sometimes, but this is random and not always effective.
Misty, May, Dawn, Cilan*, Iris** and Serena are all big attention sinks, being the prominent female in Ash's life during the journey. Sometimes this influence was a net negative, causing Ash to feel awkward and make bad calls or miss crucial information.
*Cilan was so effeminate he often played the role. While he provided no distraction as a love interest, he offered plenty others with his personality.
**Not so much Love interest as antagonistic; probably the worst companion Ash had.
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Well, for starters, he'll need to fight the Elite 4 and Champion before he can formally gain the rank of Pok?mon Master. That essentially means that they can have Ash win the league, lose to an Elite 4 member, then have him challenge another league, beat that league, beat the first E4 member but lose to the second one, and so on and so forth until he finally manages to beat the champion. Don't forget, DP enunciated this part of the goal, and I don't think they'd bring it up if they weren't going to have Ash win the league.
And for the record, having him win a league won't automatically mean an end to the franchise. Don't forget, even after Goku won the Tenkaichi Budokai, the franchise didn't end, we got Dragon Ball Z, then GT, and then Super. Heck, as another user pointed out, Yu-Gi-Oh has the main character being allowed to win, and he doesn't end the show there. And as a matter of fact, Digimon replaces its main characters without much loss. And besides, even Pok?mon Special managed to pull off replacing main characters without impacting sales, even characters who WERE iconic such as Red.
And personally, if having Ash leave is the ONLY way he can be allowed to actually achieve his goal, I'd take it (the entire POINT behind having a goal is to accomplish it).
Actually, even younger fans were VERY ticked off with what happened in Kalos. There's a reason why the episode got a huge amount of downvotes (more than even the trailer for Paper Mario Color Splash and other negatively received trailers), not to mention the mass twitter posts that more than verified it. And considering that the ratings have gone down the crapper even by post-OS standards, that should speak volumes about how little it's attracting new fans, meaning they're driving away even potential newcomers with their stupidity.
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Ah I don't watch other anime so I'm not familiar with what other animes have done re: having their main characters reach their goals. Good points @ E4 though, that completely slipped my mind.
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He's mediocre, but we're stuck with him. I wouldn't mind so much, except that his SM persona is annoying as hell; what with him making ridiculous faces every 30 seconds and overreacting to everything around him. He needs to take a Xanax.
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Sorry but pokemon is not yugioh. I prefer the usual losing at the league and move on to new region. I do not see Ash winning but no doubt he will continue to try to win.
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So to you Ash always has to fail that's not a good thing you can have him win can he'll still go to the next region to become stronger.
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And have him become over confident and full of himself afterwards? No thanks. The one good thing about ash losing the leagues is that it ensures that he does not get over confident in the next league.
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I think Ash know not to be overconfident and full of himself he learn that back in Kanto and Kalos.
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A league win could could change that though. Ash grows from losing more than he would win. I would be fine if Ash won an anime exclusive league or a battle facility again.
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I don't think Ash winning a league would change how he acts. And at this point he will grow more from winning than losing. Losing stop helping him back at Johto.
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Well i expect him to at least stay in top 2 in the future. Don't want to see him score lower than before like Unova.
Problem with Ash winning the league is that people expect to eventually beat elite four and then becoming champion. I don't like this.
I prefer that Ash keeps his top 2 rank for every other region. Just don't let him win.