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Ah, yeah, I can see the resemblance more with the PPGZ version. I haven't seen that incarnation of PPG so I wasn't familiar with anything but their original looks and all.

As for the scene you described, that would probably be both hilarious and annoying at the same time, lol.


Trying to! In fact, the Trainer's Eyes could function similar to the Pokédex come to think of it. Scroll through a list of names, choose one, and you can see their: location, info, rematch status, etc. It would be different options of course but it would be intuitive to use, and probably easier to code since I'd have a reference.


Exactly. Even if they look cool sometimes, those are pretty much always lazy when fan games do them, but at least they are somewhat excusable there. It's often easier to just recolor and slightly edit an existing sprite than it is to make a new one, so it usually looks more consistent if they do that when they can't sprite new ones. But in Gamefreak's case, there really is no excuse to do that and treat them like new Pokémon. In a way, it's not too different from Pokémon like Rotom that have forms with different typings and skill sets and whatnot, but since you can't swap back and forth, these aren't really the same thing at all.

Oh I know. The internet is full of people like that, and full of trolls too. Being anonymous (or presuming you are anonymous) has its benefits but it goes to a lot of people's heads.


That kid looks like a Digimon trainer who thinks he's a badass and wants to be Lance, but really needs to have his ego taken down a peg or two. I guess I don't see the Rowdyruff Boy influence much, though. Probably because its so different from PPG art style (and I knew who they were even without the link :p) but idk. Either way, he still looks like a chump for sure. That's no way to depict one of the most elite trainers in the Kanto region.


Yeah, it'd hold more than 10 numbers. I figure I'd make sure it could hold as many numbers as I planned on making available. And instead of doing it the Gen 2 way where it took a whole byte to store each phone number ID, I'd probably try to just do it as a flag array of registered numbers, so 1 bit per registered number instead of 1 byte, meaning the same amount of space it took to store 10 numbers in GSC would hold like 80. That's what I was planning to do with the TM Case too, for the same reason (making everything available while saving space in memory).


I'm not gonna lie, I don't like absolutely hate Gen 7 or anything. It isn't really Dark Rising levels of wrongness from what I can tell. But it is very "meh" to me. It just doesn't feel right, so I don't really care about it. I don't think it was the way to go as we've already made clear, and I hope it does poorly enough that they decide to go back to the old formula, but at least a few things seem ok. Alola Vulpix/Ninetails are cool *rimshot* Jokes aside though, yeah, a lot of the changes seem really dumb and out of place.

Will reply when I get the chance, probably after work, but it might end up being late tonight instead, since I probably won't be home much tonight except for late. Just letting you know!

Also, thought this thread and my response might amuse you: https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonROMhacks/comments/580v9c/is_anyone_more_excited_for_a_rom_hack_than_sun/

Yep, exactly. It makes some people give you a pity party and others get pissed at you, neither of which are actually what you want in that situation. smh. It's sad, really. Not for the reasons he wants it to be, but just that people are like that.


For whatever reason, I was reminded of that scene in The Sound of Music when one character says "We're all Austrian." and another replies, "Some think we ought to be German, and they're very mad at those who don't." Just replace the word "Austrian" with "Pokemon stories" and "German" with "Game Canon". Yes, I guess that does mean I'm comparing Adventures fanboys to Nazis. Oops.


Yep, I figured I would let you register leaders that way, too. The Trainer's Eyes let you store them, but you had to rematch them differently if I remember. I'd just let that work the same way as normal trainers do. I would also extend that to special trainers, such as: Flannery, Janine, Tracey, etc.

Yeah, he really needed to get a grip. At the very start of the post, I was thinking "Ok, I feel you there. I do the same thing. I watch LPs and stuff, interact with people, find out what is working and what isn't, see what players actually want, and try to improve my hacks that way". But then it took a nosedive off the deep end, and my sense of relating to him went out the window. When I've had comments on my own videos that are obviously trolling, I just delete them and move on with my life. And I've never really gotten them on other people's videos, but I would behave myself better than he did. Like you say, even if the illness and death are real, they aren't an excuse to lash out at people on the internet. Excuses for disappearing or a lack of updates? Absolutely. An excuse for being a tool? Negatory, Ghost Rider. I know I've made some small outbursts from time to time over the years when I was stressed and frustrated, which I then genuinely felt bad about and apologized. But I can't understand how people like him go about the way they do. But there are several hackers like him around. They can't seem to take even very softly worded constructive criticism without having a fit.


"It only won because he's a moderator, look at this hack, it only uses Gen 3 tiles and has a normal Pokemon storyline with gyms and stuff". Aka, the type of hack we need more of, instead of trash like Dark Rising and Adventure Red. Adventures fans are so annoying. I was on Facebook earlier looking at this post showing the stuff you'd need to cosplay Hilda for Halloween, and of course people in the comments are all "Actually, her name is Black, get it right" or "She's REALLY called Black, read the Manga" and I didn't waste my time commenting, but all I could think was "Ugg, get a grip people. What is your life about right now?"


I feel like maybe a combination of the two could be useful. Like, you see rematches like the Trainer's Eyes. Go into the menu, and the names will have a ! next to them if they want a rematch, and clicking a name will let you see where the trainer is and stuff. It might even have options like, "Info" "Call" "Delete" or something. That way you could remove names, call them if that was somehow relevant or you were bored, or just see their info to remember where they were.

I'm not going to lie and say I kept up with the thread for his hack well enough to follow along with his "declining health" but I've seen other users do the same thing. I wanna say an annoying user on skeetendo (who like... didn't even hack, he just bugged people to finish theirs) claimed he was dying of cancer or something in an effort to get attention, then left, then came back, then got banned, then made a new user account. It was a mess. Attention whores need to get a grip, especially when they start doing things like those people.


Adventures fanboys tried to claim HOTY was rigged if I remember. "This only won because it's by Spherical Ice, Adventure Red: Red Chapter CLEARLY should be HOTY" and stuff like that. Smh.


Having it function like the VS Seeker would probably be too much of a pain, what with all the jumping sprites and everyone getting some sort of speech bubble over their heads. Not sure the GBC would actually handle that many sprites on screen at once in some of the more densely packed routes. It would probably function more like the "Trainer's Eyes" part of the Pokénav from RSE. It would have a list of trainers that could be rematched, would give info about them, and would alert you when they wanted one. And unlike RSE, it would let you rematch Gym Leaders instead of just giving info on them. I'm already thinking the cameo trainers like Flannery and Janine and Tracey and whatnot will end up with rematches.

When he posted that on Reddit, I almost replied "Good, don't let the door hit you on the way out." but I decided not to be an asshole, since I feel the need to be at least semi-professional these days. If he'd posted that when I was in like, I don't know, high school, I probably would've gone for it. But since I'm one of the few old members left in the community, I'd just be confirming his and others' claims about "elitism" and whatnot. Plus, I'd look like a jerk and possibly push away people who might otherwise be interested in my hacks, lol.

On the My Immortal comment, can't say I ever read that (Although I'm familiar with the Evanescence song of the same name), but I know her type. I'm pretty sure my fanfics from highschool were more coherently written than THAT. xD


Yeah, I know I'm at odds with the majority on that. Some people will only play hacks with ugly Gen 4 rips, but those are one of my huge pet peeves, and an almost instant thread-closer. The fact that Gaia won HOTY gave me hope for Sterling Silver. Both use a mixture of vanilla Gen 3 tiles and custom-but-Gen-3-style tiles, and both focus on exploration and the lore of the region, along with Archaeology (and SS was always going to be that way). While the story, region, etc are all different enough that nobody can call it a Ripoff (and Spherical Ice loves the idea), I feel like there is just enough similarity that when it comes out, people might end up being like "So I played Gaia, what should I play next?" and people tell them "Try Sterling Silver: Cry of Celebi by Mateo and Pyro. It's got some similarities but its still a totally new game." or whatever. That's still a long way off, though :p


Speaking of rematches and things that were in from the start, I'm not sure what I should do in terms of rematching generic trainers. I want to include the functionality, since there will be a Pokégear clone. However, I know that phone calls were pretty annoying with the way Gen 2 handled them. Part of me wants to like... only include phone calls for things like rematches, without the random "Oh hi Nicole, it's Joey! My Rattata is doing sooo great! I fought a tough Pidgey today. See ya!" or whatever. My other idea is to like... have a VS Seeker option in the Pokegear, and it would just show an ! point next to a trainer's name if they were able to be rematched, and make it so clicking their name showed their trainer sprite and a little blurb about the trainer and where they are. What are your thoughts on that?

Thanks.

Haha, yeah, I stopped by his profile one day and saw some rather interesting stuff, don't think I saw that one in particular though, lmao. I know the thread on Reddit where he declared that he was quitting was full of similar things. Adventures fans will do anything to get their fix, won't they?


I probably will try HGSS at some point. But for now, I am still planning to move on to Gen 3. It's a lot better documented now than back in the day, and to be honest, I've always liked the look of FireRed style graphics anyway, and you can't really do that in a HGSS hack. But I will look into it at some point. I've actually already got some sort of map editor downloaded, I just haven't played around with it enough to figure it out yet.


Yeah, you're exactly right. While it made sense from a story perspective, it made the second half of the game feel rather pointless. I'm hoping the rematches with the E4 come across as well as I want them to (both in Christmas and Red++).

Anyway, what would you think of an edit of one of your sprites appearing in my hack, Pokémon Tri-Color Nostalgia Series? (I'm thinking of including it beginning in the next nightly build if that's OK with you.)

True, fair enough, but I hate to leave people hanging either. Sorry for not saying I was busy earlier.

Just been busier with real life the last day or two. I'll make sure to reply after work today though!

AS many fanboys as the manga has, I'm surprised there aren't even more Adventures-based hacks than there already are. I know there's also a Green chapter and some stuff too, but I haven't actively gone looking to see just how deep that rabbit hole goes.


I've actually thought about looking into Gen 4 hacking. Unlike, well, anyone else that I know of in the romhacking community, I used to make cars for Need for Speed 3 and 4 before I found out about roms and hacking, so I actually already have some experience with 3D modeling (albeit modeling very different things a long time ago) but it makes me think it's something I could pick up if I got around to it, whereas everyone else around here looks at it like "oh 3d, that's impossible, we do tiles here" and stuff. Maybe I'll remake Christmas as a HGSS hack in a handful of years lmao.


That's the only reason I can think of that makes sense, anyway. But regardless of the reason, glad they tried to remedy it in the remakes. And in Christmas, I'm also planning to make sure the Kanto leaders increase in level from the original matches with the E4, then have a battle with stronger E4 teams after you have all 16 badges. Sort of playing off of the idea they used in Origins, where Brock looked to see how many badges Red already had and chose the team for the match accordingly. I thought that was a very reasonable in-universe explanation for why the difficulty would increase as if everyone started from Pallet Town. It lets you assume that all leaders are pretty strong, and choose according to their opponent, and it still lets the E4 be stronger than the Kanto leaders in reality, while letting the Kanto leaders be tougher than the first time you face the E4.

Let's see...

- Any of the Dark Rising hacks, for sure. The fact that there are more than one of them blows my mind. The art is terrible, the storyline sounds like a 12 year old emo kid's wannabe-edgy diary, the level curve is, from what I've heard, absolute trash, etc.
- Adventure Red: Red Chapter [Aethesode] or whatever the official name for that garbage is. It's based on the Adventures manga, so of course I have no interest in the story, and everything about it seems poorly implemented. Plus the creator is just super cringe with the way he handles everything related to the hack and to even constructive criticism. I saw he posted on Reddit that he was leaving Pokecommunity and/or abandoning his hack, and I had to metaphorically hold my tongue to avoid replying with grumpy cat saying "Good" lol.
- Snakewood. While the idea of a post-apocalyptic Pokemon hack sounded promising, looking through the thread, I immediately said "Nope". The story is, again, wannabe edgy instead of well thought out. The fakemon/zombiemons/etc are all lousy edits with no effort put into them. I saw one screenshot that was like... the player up against a frankensteined 2 headed Latios/Latias hybrid, and I was like "...what?"

- Not really the same, but I initially was that way with Glazed. I saw the hack was called "Pokemon Glazed", read far enough to see that the region name was the word "Donut" spelled backwards, and stopped reading. Later I accidentally stumbled on an LP of it on Youtube and thought, "Hmm, maybe this does deserve a chance after all". I still haven't played it yet, and I'm not a fan of the way it uses Gen 4 map tiles (Gen 4 tiles shoddily ripped and shoved into Gen 3 is one of my pet peeves), but I probably will at least try it before I decide if it's crap or not -- unlike the others, which I have no interest in even going back to the threads, let alone downloading them.


I got that way more in highschool. I was more myself around my friends still, but I would also act totally different in other areas to try and fit in and stuff with the popular kids, because I was tired of getting picked on too much. Looking back, that was stupid as hell, but it's what I did. I don't have a DeLorean or a TARDIS so I can't go back and change it now haha.

And I remember people thinking that ThunderYellow would be a third version after FrLg. I also remember when the games hadn't been announced in English yet, and people called it "Grass Green" online, too. We only had a few screenshots of it, and people were already trying to expand that into full tilesets for RPGMaker and using the tiles in Ruby hacks (back when Gen 3 hacking was in its infancy and most of us were still hacking Gen 1 and 2. It still absolutely blows my mind how seemingly overnight we went from knowing absolutely nothing about hacking Gen 3 to having Map, Script, and other editors (none of which are still used, since there are better ones now of course). We had script editors for Gen 3 years before we had one for Gen 2. And for a long time, the Germans knew a lot more about hacking Gen 2 than we did for some reason. Heck, I still use an old Town Map editor for the German versions of GSC to export the tilemaps for like the town map and other stuff for Red++. But I'm getting off topic. Sorry!


I can understand the E4 being low, since it was only halfway through the game. But I don't understand why Kanto's trainers didn't get any stronger, and there wasn't a way to rematch the E4 with a stronger team when you had all 16 badges, to help train for Red.


Obviously Kris wasn't in Gold and Silver :p But yeah, I meant it was weird that she still looked like Gold in Crystal.

Didn't Pokemon Go lose a lot of its players and is becoming less popular? XP

I don't think Yo-kai Watch is going to be that popular forever, as kids may get bored of that in the near future, as did the other things that acted as a "rival" to Pokemon.

If they regain the kid audience, that will be most likely because Yo-kai Watch went downhill. :\
Nintendo has been very confused for more than a decade, and struggled to figure out what makes money. Pokemon would have earned them vastly more if the anime was actually good, and they also seem to fail to understand how to succeed with their game consoles.

The first warning sign that I can think of is the Nintendo 64 using cartridges while the original Playstation and Sega Saturn used discs. Third party developers didn't really like that, and were more than willing to take their business to Sony.

And then a similar mistake was repeated with the Gamecube (its discs were pretty small and couldn't fit certain games on them like Resident Evil 4). That, and the Gamecube also showed Nintendo going downhill with hardware in other aspects.

If I remember correctly, the Gamecube came out around the time that Microsoft's original Xbox did, and it...was lacking in comparison. In terms of HD resolutions, the original Xbox could go up to 720p, while the Gamecube only went up to 480p. Furthermore, the Xbox had online multiplayer capability, could play DVDs, had an internal hard drive, and used a Pentium III CPU along with a GPU based off of Nvidia's GeForce 3. Unless Nintendo had no idea that the Xbox would have this kind of hardware, I'm certain they had enough time to top this.

To add insult to injury, even the Wii was less powerful than the original Xbox (well, slightly), and the Wii was a seventh generation console. And like the Gamecube, the Wii's max HD resolution was 480p. The Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 both were capable of 1080p. -_-

Of course, we both know why the Wii was a huge success, and that must have added to Nintendo's false idea that hardware doesn't matter that much in the console wars.

Now we have the Wii U, which despite being a good console, turned out to be a failure. Nintendo failed to understand that the Wii's success was pure luck, they failed to understand that hardware is important, and didn't realize third party support actually.

So it's no surprise that they'd screw up the Pokemon anime if they can't understand how to win the console wars.

Hey, since I've replied to a few PMs but not your wall post, just letting you know I haven't forgot and I'm not ignoring it, I'll reply after work as usual :)

Probably half of the stuff they've announced for Sun & Moon would be enough to make me close a thread, haha.


I was still playing at the time, as were my friends. We were already band nerds, Pokemon was the least of our worries as far as being part of the "in" crowd goes, lmao. One of my friends even ordered Japanese Leaf Green shortly before they came here, because he assumed we'd end up getting WaterBlue or something instead, since we didn't get Green the first time around. He was wrong of course, but we had no reason to assume that at the time. By the time Gen 3 came out, I just downloaded them as roms though, didn't bother buying physical copies. My brothers did, but I was just like "I'm so used to VBA at this point, the GBA feels too slow". So I was still on top of the whole Pokemon thing at the time, lol. But somewhere around then I jumped on the Sims train too, and that still hasn't stopped, either.

As for why they reused types, I'm guessing they just weren't feeling particularly original. After all, the first gym was a Rock type gym again, just like Gen 1. You're right about the Hoenn 'dex being limited though. That was just silly to try and use Ice for an E4 member with so few 'mons to represent it.


Yeah, it was one of the few places besides the E4 to earn more money once you'd beaten the normal trainers, and grinding off wild Pokemon at that point was a pain. Why they thought we wouldn't want that is beyond me.

As far as the friends thing goes, I never had a ton of friends, I just had a handful of really close friends that stuck around. The thing about bringing it to class was that, given my major, a lot of my classmates at that point were nerds too, so even if I didn't know them, they'd see my Pokewalker and we'd link up. It was usually clipped on my backpack between classes and I'd have it out playing with it in class half the time, so I still got to meet trainers that way.

Carrie was legit in Gen 2. Still disappointed she didn't look like Kris in the trainer house. In the future, I'm going to make sure the linked trainer in Red++ has their proper gender sprites in battle and the overworld. It's already doable, I'm just holding off on it since there are some other issues with link battles apparently, and I'm not worrying with them until I get more of the single player changes out of the way, since most people seem to not be able to link with their emulators anyway. But still, would be a nice change to have for those who can.

Oh, I know. Haha, I know. Also another thing that crappy fangames have been doing already, championed by the same people who are like "Why don't you make Cut a bug type move and give it like 100 BP and make it cause flinch" or whatever. :rolleyes2:


In my defense, it was hard for me to be active in online communities before then, since we didn't have the internet at home until about 2001 or 2002 I think. When I could only get online by going to Dad's office or the school library, it was harder to be active in anything :p But yeah, I'm sure that since that was the same gen when regions became separate, it was something of a retcon.


Yeah, I was all for giving it more use, but the way they did it in HGSS seemed like a weird way to handle it. I did like that it was linked to the Pokewalker, since it was originally linked to Mystery Gift, and I actively used my Pokewalker and linked with other people, such as classmates (who'd've thought a bunch of English Majors would be nerds? lmao). However, not gaining experience and earning Battle Points and basically being a generic battle facility was strange.

Oh I'm sure. These people want the whole game to just be a battle facility, so I'm sure that's all we'll get for the post-game again. When they consider the game to just be getting started is when I decide it's done. *shrug* people need to get a grip.


I've been involved with the online fandom basically the whole time. When Gen 1 was new, I was on Maxpages sites looking for gameshark codes and hearing about the rumours and stuff. Somewhere around Gen 3 I found sites like Pokecommunity (I had actually already gotten into hacking before I found the forums, because I found hacks on rom sites, then I looked up tools and found them on sites that weren't forums, and went from there.) so I've been around for quite a while, which might be part of why I call them Johto and Kanto E4, although I think I was calling them that on my own already. Hard to say for sure at this point.


I could put the new one, with the battle machines, into the underground in Goldenrod. Then the levels available could change as you progress through the game. They were originally based on machines I put there in Sterling Silver (someone bought the old warehouse that Team Rocket had used over the summer and converted it into a facility with practice battle machines) so it could be a reference to that.

Christmas could maybe do with a Battle Tent, too. Maybe in Viridian's trainer house?


I always forget about the help buttons, but yeah the Teachy TV was a mess lmao.