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Trying to build a good battle frontier team (ORAS)

AegislashIsBae

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    So I want to use nothing but my favorite Pokémon but, I'm worried about the team lacking in consistency, here's my list of favorites, is it possible to build a good team out of these?

    If possible, I'd at least like Hypno within the team,

    Favorites, Hypno, Lilligant, Delphox, Infernape, Cloyster, Dusknoir, Chandelure, Aegislash, Samurott, Spiritomb, Gardevoir, Froslass, Sylveon, Glaceon, Gengar, Banette, Victreebel, Golurk, Muk, Alakazam, Zoroark.

    Is a functional battle frontier team AT ALL possible with any 6 of these?
     
    skyburial

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    • I can say with certainty that Infernape, Gardevoir, and Gengar are all great against the Battle Maison regulars. You'll start to get used to the 3 dozen or so sets that the game will use against you. Sylveon is easy enough for the game to circumvent, but powerful.

    Aegislash is worth looking into as well, as the game struggles with King's Shield and Substitute. I'd recommend a genderless Pokemon if you can find one, as Battle Maison loves to throw full Attract-based teams at you as a curveball.

    Make sure to put Taunt and Fake Out on Infernape, they will become invaluable to you. It might be worth your time to put Will-O-Wisp on Gengar for those hard hitting physical attackers like Slaking and Tauros. If you do the EV Training thing we can get you some spreads.
     
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    I remember putting some work into the Maison with a Shell Smash Cloyster, so there's that too, in addition to the Pokemon skyburial mentioned.

    Be aware though that you'll need different sets and probably different Pokemon combinations to actually win each different battle format. The team I used to clear Super Doubles in ORAS wouldn't be able to do Super Singles, and the one I used to beat Super Rotations (in XY) wouldn't work in anything other than Rotations.

    ....mmm, I should probably try clearing Super Singles and Super Rotations in ORAS's Battle Maison sometime soon....
     
    Alfieri

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    Choice Specs Pixilate Modest Sylveon and then press the "I Win" button (Hyper Voice).
     

    AegislashIsBae

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    skyburial said:
    I can say with certainty that Infernape, Gardevoir, and Gengar are all great against the Battle Maison regulars. You'll start to get used to the 3 dozen or so sets that the game will use against you. Sylveon is easy enough for the game to circumvent, but powerful.

    Aegislash is worth looking into as well, as the game struggles with King's Shield and Substitute. I'd recommend a genderless Pokemon if you can find one, as Battle Maison loves to throw full Attract-based teams at you as a curveball.

    Make sure to put Taunt and Fake Out on Infernape, they will become invaluable to you. It might be worth your time to put Will-O-Wisp on Gengar for those hard hitting physical attackers like Slaking and Tauros. If you do the EV Training thing we can get you some spreads.
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    A question here is, who doesn't EV train? Anyway, I do in fact EV train, So I just thought up a formation, lemme know if it works, EV's may be a problem for me as some of these I've never EV trained before,

    Hypno
    Item: Choice Spec
    -Psychic
    -HP Bug
    -Hypnosis
    -Shadow Ball

    Cloyster
    Item: Focus Sash
    -Icicle Spear
    -Rock Blast
    -Hydro Pump
    -Shell Smash

    Aegislash
    Item: Weakness Policy/Life Orb
    -Sacred Sword
    -Iron head
    -Shadow Claw/Shadow Ball
    -King Shield

    Lilligant
    Item: Focus Sash/Band
    -Aromatherapy
    -Petal Dance
    -Quiver Dance
    -Energy Ball

    Muk
    Item: Black Sludge
    -Recover (if it can still learn it like in Gen 1)
    -Sludge Wave
    -Minimize (same as Recover)
    - Brick Break

    Any of these good?
     

    PlatinumDude

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    • AegislashIsBae said:
    A question here is, who doesn't EV train? Anyway, I do in fact EV train, So I just thought up a formation, lemme know if it works, EV's may be a problem for me as some of these I've never EV trained before,

    Hypno
    Item: Choice Spec
    -Psychic
    -HP Bug
    -Hypnosis
    -Shadow Ball

    Cloyster
    Item: Focus Sash
    -Icicle Spear
    -Rock Blast
    -Hydro Pump
    -Shell Smash

    Aegislash
    Item: Weakness Policy/Life Orb
    -Sacred Sword
    -Iron head
    -Shadow Claw/Shadow Ball
    -King Shield

    Lilligant
    Item: Focus Sash/Band
    -Aromatherapy
    -Petal Dance
    -Quiver Dance
    -Energy Ball

    Muk
    Item: Black Sludge
    -Recover (if it can still learn it like in Gen 1)
    -Sludge Wave
    -Minimize (same as Recover)
    - Brick Break

    Any of these good?
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    I'd rather not use Hypno if I were you. It faces way too much competition from other Psychic Pokemon like Reuniclus, Alakazam, and (Mega) Gardevoir. Its lacking offensive presence is one of those reasons.

    Lilligant's move pool is very shallow. It's outclassed by even Serperior, as the latter has Contrary Leaf Storm to fix its mediocre Special Attack (Contary + Leaf Storm attacks and boosts Special Attack at the same time, even faster than Quiver Dance would boost its Special Attack).

    Muk is eh as well. It can't learn Recover, either. It has a wide move pool, yes, but its slowness is what lets it down.

    Out of your list, the only ones worth using are Aegislash, Sylveon, Infernape, Cloyster (maybe), Chandelure, Gengar, (Mega) Alakazam, and Mega Gardevoir.

    I'd comment with sets for each, but I don't have time, atm.
     

    AegislashIsBae

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    PlatinumDude said:
    I'd rather not use Hypno if I were you. It faces way too much competition from other Psychic Pokemon like Reuniclus, Alakazam, and (Mega) Gardevoir. Its lacking offensive presence is one of those reasons.

    Lilligant's move pool is very shallow. It's outclassed by even Serperior, as the latter has Contrary Leaf Storm to fix its mediocre Special Attack (Contary + Leaf Storm attacks and boosts Special Attack at the same time, even faster than Quiver Dance would boost its Special Attack).

    Muk is eh as well. It can't learn Recover, either. It has a wide move pool, yes, but its slowness is what lets it down.

    Out of your list, the only ones worth using are Aegislash, Sylveon, Infernape, Cloyster (maybe), Chandelure, Gengar, (Mega) Alakazam, and Mega Gardevoir.

    I'd comment with sets for each, but I don't have time, atm.
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    Well if I used Cloyster, it'd be a Shell smash build (like above)

    As for the rest, I'd probably build 'em like this,

    Chandelure
    Modest
    -Psychic
    -Shadow Ball
    -Heat Wave
    -Energy Ball
    Item: Choice Specs/Life Orb

    Alakazam
    Timid
    -Psychic
    -Dazzling Gleam
    -HP Fire/Ice/Bug
    Item: Alakazite

    Infernape
    Naive
    -Flare Blitz
    -Close Combat
    -Stone Edge
    -Earthquake
    Item: Life Orb/Choice Band

    Sylveon (Not exactly sure how to build it, but here goes)
    Bold
    -Moonblast
    -Hyper Voice
    -Heal bell
    -Trump Card/HP Ground
    Item: Leftovers/Focus Band/Sash

    Cloyster
    Whatever nature lowers Speed and raises defense
    -Shell Smash
    -Hydro Pump
    -Rock Blast
    -Icicle Spear
    Item: Focus band/Sash

    And Aegislash would be Quiet Policy build
     
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    Try not to bank on Hidden Power types for coverage since breeding for specific HP types while maintaining good IVs is a huge pain in the ass.

    Heat Wave only has use in Doubles and Triples so unless you plan to use Chandelure in one of those, Fire Blast is the better fire STAB to use.

    Also Sylveon and Cloyster only work well if they have Pixilate and Skill Link, respectively, so make sure you have those on them. You also don't want a Relaxed (+Def -Spe) on Shell Smash Cloyster. Base 180 Defense sounds nice until you notice that Cloyster has garbage HP and Sp.Def and you're not investing in Def EVs anyway so there's no point in using a +Def nature. You want a +Speed nature instead so that Cloyster outspeeds as much stuff as possible after SS since its base Speed stat is mediocre, and you're using it to sweep.
     

    AegislashIsBae

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    Nah said:
    Try not to bank on Hidden Power types for coverage since breeding for specific HP types while maintaining good IVs is a huge pain in the ass.

    Heat Wave only has use in Doubles and Triples so unless you plan to use Chandelure in one of those, Fire Blast is the better fire STAB to use.

    Also Sylveon and Cloyster only work well if they have Pixilate and Skill Link, respectively, so make sure you have those on them. You also don't want a Relaxed (+Def -Spe) on Shell Smash Cloyster. Base 180 Defense sounds nice until you notice that Cloyster has garbage HP and Sp.Def and you're not investing in Def EVs anyway so there's no point in using a +Def nature. You want a +Speed nature instead so that Cloyster outspeeds as much stuff as possible after SS since its base Speed stat is mediocre, and you're using it to sweep.
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    Ah okay, how does this look?

    Aegislash @ Weakness policy
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
    Quiet Nature
    - King's Shield
    - Shadow Ball
    - Iron Head
    - Sacred Sword

    Sylveon @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pixilate
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Modest Nature
    - Hyper Voice
    - Wish
    - Psyshock
    - Calm Mind

    Chandelure @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Infiltrator
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Def
    Modest Nature
    - Shadow Ball
    - Pain Split
    - Fire Blast
    - Energy Ball

    Cloyster @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Skill Link
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Impish Nature
    - Icicle Spear
    - Rock Blast
    - Hydro Pump
    - Shell Smash

    Alakazam-Mega @ Alakazite
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Dazzling gleam
    - Psyshock
    - Shadow Ball
    - Focus Blast

    Infernape @ Life Orb
    Ability: Blaze
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Stone Edge
    - Flare Blitz
    - Earthquake
    - Close Combat
     
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    AegislashIsBae said:
    Ah okay, how does this look?

    Spoiler:
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    Wish works best with Protect in the moveset, though you'd probably wanna just run Shadow Ball over it for the Maison so Sylveon has something for Aegislash.

    Speaking of Aegis, Flash Cannon and SpA EVs would be better than Iron Head and Atk EVs so it's less crippled by burns, which the Maison will try to harass you with.

    Pain Split's not something you want to be locked into on Choice Item Chandelure. Trick is a fun little option for screwing over certain pokes with.

    Again, +Speed and not +Def on Cloyster. Since you're using Hydro Pump you'll want Naive (-Sp.Def, +Speed).

    I've personally always preferred Iron Fist on Infernape over Blaze so Thunder Punch and Mach Punch are threatening. And I think that one of those would be more useful than Earthquake; Ape already smashes Rock and Steel types with its STABS and Earthquake only slightly outdamages Close Combat/Flare Blitz against Electric types. Thunder Punch hits Water types just as hard as CC does and allows you to conserve PP for it and avoid the Def+Sp.Def drop, while STAB Iron Fist Mach Punch is good priority. Gunk Shot would be something to consider over Stone Edge as well so it can break through Fairies.
     

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    Nah said:
    Wish works best with Protect in the moveset, though you'd probably wanna just run Shadow Ball over it for the Maison so Sylveon has something for Aegislash.

    Speaking of Aegis, Flash Cannon and SpA EVs would be better than Iron Head and Atk EVs so it's less crippled by burns, which the Maison will try to harass you with.

    Pain Split's not something you want to be locked into on Choice Item Chandelure. Trick is a fun little option for screwing over certain pokes with.

    Again, +Speed and not +Def on Cloyster. Since you're using Hydro Pump you'll want Naive (-Sp.Def, +Speed).

    I've personally always preferred Iron Fist on Infernape over Blaze so Thunder Punch and Mach Punch are threatening. And I think that one of those would be more useful than Earthquake; Ape already smashes Rock and Steel types with its STABS and Earthquake only slightly outdamages Close Combat/Flare Blitz against Electric types. Thunder Punch hits Water types just as hard as CC does and allows you to conserve PP for it and avoid the Def+Sp.Def drop, while STAB Iron Fist Mach Punch is good priority. Gunk Shot would be something to consider over Stone Edge as well so it can break through Fairies.
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    So what should each moveset look like then?
     

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    So what should each moveset look like then?
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    Specially-based Aegislash can still viably use Iron Head to hit Fairies harder, as most have better Special Defense than Defense, but here's how Aegislash should look:
    -Shadow Ball
    -Flash Cannon/Iron Head/Shadow Sneak
    -Sacred Sword/Shadow Sneak
    -King's Shield
    Nature: Quiet
    EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers/Weakness Policy

    If Sylveon is to use Wish support, it should be bulky:
    -Wish
    -Protect
    -Hyper Voice
    -Heal Bell/Toxic
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/220 Def/36 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Pixilate

    If Chandelure doesn't have the right Hidden Power type, it can use Trick over Pain Split to give its Choice item to walls.

    And for Infernape, it can go mixed:
    -Fire Blast/Flare Blitz
    -Close Combat
    -Gunk Shot
    -Grass Knot/Hidden Power (Ice)/Thunder Punch/Mach Punch
    Nature: Naive
    EVs: 100 Atk/156 SAtk/252 Spe or 188 Atk/68 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb

    An Impish nature seems tempting on Cloyster, but it's a waste, as the +2 Speed boost from Shell Smash is wasted if Cloyster lacks Speed investment:
    -Shell Smash
    -Hydro Pump/Razor Shell
    -Icicle Spear
    -Rock Blast
    Nature: Naive/Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Focus Sash/White Herb/Lum Berry
    Ability: Skill Link
     

    AegislashIsBae

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    PlatinumDude said:
    Specially-based Aegislash can still viably use Iron Head to hit Fairies harder, as most have better Special Defense than Defense, but here's how Aegislash should look:
    -Shadow Ball
    -Flash Cannon/Iron Head/Shadow Sneak
    -Sacred Sword/Shadow Sneak
    -King's Shield
    Nature: Quiet
    EVs: 252 HP/252 SAtk/4 SDef
    Item: Leftovers/Weakness Policy

    If Sylveon is to use Wish support, it should be bulky:
    -Wish
    -Protect
    -Hyper Voice
    -Heal Bell/Toxic
    Nature: Bold
    EVs: 252 HP/220 Def/36 SDef
    Item: Leftovers
    Ability: Pixilate

    If Chandelure doesn't have the right Hidden Power type, it can use Trick over Pain Split to give its Choice item to walls.

    And for Infernape, it can go mixed:
    -Fire Blast/Flare Blitz
    -Close Combat
    -Gunk Shot
    -Grass Knot/Hidden Power (Ice)/Thunder Punch/Mach Punch
    Nature: Naive
    EVs: 100 Atk/156 SAtk/252 Spe or 188 Atk/68 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb

    An Impish nature seems tempting on Cloyster, but it's a waste, as the +2 Speed boost from Shell Smash is wasted if Cloyster lacks Speed investment:
    -Shell Smash
    -Hydro Pump/Razor Shell
    -Icicle Spear
    -Rock Blast
    Nature: Naive/Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Focus Sash/White Herb/Lum Berry
    Ability: Skill Link
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    So this team should do a-ok?
     
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    now's the part where you figure out which battle format you wanna tackle and then which of the 3 or 4 pokes you wanna use and then start breeding and training them
     
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