Is Ash a disappointment?

SH60 said:

They have nothing to do with the bad development of Ash. The real blame is bad writing.

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I blame both but i am going to drop it because i am tired of arguing my opinion with others.

So you disagree with each other, and it doesn't seem like either side will agree with the other in a discussion. That's fine, and it's fine to move on then. Some people come to these threads to discuss and debate what is the best answer or truest opinion, others come to state what they think and perhaps say why they don't agree with the popular opinion. Either way is fine.

Alexander18 said:

My posts does makes sense. At least to me. Ash was better in hoenn and sinnoh than he was in OS saga, BW saga, Kalos saga and Alola saga in my opinion.

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Your posts need to make sense for everyone to understand what you are staying.

I see you like to repeat yourself again and again.

Ash was far more better in the OS, because he shown that he improved for both the Kanto and Johto regions, in Hoenn he didn't improved much at all in this region and in Sinnoh he only developed in this one region without any recall to what he did in the last region, but at least he did make it to the top 4 in the Sinnoh League.

Piii said:

Your posts need to make sense for everyone to understand what you are staying.

I see you like to repeat yourself again and again.

Ash was far more better in the OS, because he shown that he improved for both the Kanto and Johto regions, in Hoenn he didn't improved much at all in this region and in Sinnoh he only developed in this one region without any recall to what he did in the last region, but at least he did make it to the top 4 in the Sinnoh League.

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Actually you repeat yourself. I am trying not to and i don't love to. My posts does make sense.

Ash is far better better in Hoenn and Sinnoh than the OS saga in my opinion.

Can you just agree to disagree and move on instead of replying with the same post every time? I don't want to argue.

Alexander18 said:

Actually you repeat yourself. I am trying not to and i don't love to. My posts does make sense.

Ash is far better better in Hoenn and Sinnoh than the OS saga in my opinion.

Can you just agree to disagree and move on instead of replying with the same post every time? I don't want to argue.

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You keep repeating your self and your posts don't make sense because you don't have anything to back up what you say.

SH60 said:

You keep repeating your self and your posts don't make sense because you don't have anything to back up what you say.

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I don't think i do. It makes sense to me because Ash's last three companions were not helpful to him the way Misty, May and Dawn were. But that is just what i think and is sn opinion. I do back things up in my own way. But lets stay on topic.

Ash has impressed me in Hoenn and Sinnoh. Johto was better than kanto in my opinion because Ash got top 8 which is better than top 16. Unova Ash came out not as good as sinnoh. Kalos Ash landed top 2 but several decisions and writing for the region i was nit impressed with.

Alola i am not too keen. I don't like ash's design and the whole school thing was not what i like. Plus Ash has a bit too many companions.

So Ash is partly good but also partly disappointing in some areas. My view and opinion of course.

Alexander18 said:

Actually you repeat yourself. I am trying not to and i don't love to. My posts does make sense.

Ash is far better better in Hoenn and Sinnoh than the OS saga in my opinion.

Can you just agree to disagree and move on instead of replying with the same post every time? I don't want to argue.

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Alexander18 said:

I don't think i do. It makes sense to me because Ash's last three companions were not helpful to him the way Misty, May and Dawn were. But that is just what i think and is sn opinion. I do back things up in my own way. But lets stay on topic.

Ash has impressed me in Hoenn and Sinnoh. Johto was better than kanto in my opinion because Ash got top 8 which is better than top 16. Unova Ash came out not as good as sinnoh. Kalos Ash landed top 2 but several decisions and writing for the region i was nit impressed with.

Alola i am not too keen. I don't like ash's design and the whole school thing was not what i like. Plus Ash has a bit too many companions.

So Ash is partly good but also partly disappointing in some areas. My view and opinion of course.

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You still keep on repeating yourself again. Your posts still doesn't make any kind of sense.

Ash is only a disappointment because he always get reset when ever he starts all over again in a new region. He was handled much better in the OS because he developed and grow in both of those regions Kanto/Johto, instead of one region were he only grow and developed there.

How on earth was Misty helpful to Ash as far as his character development was concerned? Even as a huge Misty fan myself, it makes no sense since she constantly belittled Ash, physically hurt him several times, and was just plain condescending to him on some occasions. So to claim that she was more helpful to him than Serena or Lillie is ridiculous.

Misty did give Ash some advice when he was starting out as a Pokemon trainer. Besides the fact she try to toughing him up so he could be ready for anything that cam his way. She was a lot more helpful then May or Dawn or Iris or Serena would have been.

Piii said:

Misty did give Ash some advice when he was starting out as a Pokemon trainer.

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While slapping him in the process. Twice. What a saint she was. :pink_blankstare:

But I can't understand the thought process behind the whole "Serena, Iris, and Lillie suck compared to Misty" stance that someone mentioned before. If we were comparing their battling prowess only, then I'd agree 100%. But since we were discussing how Ash's gal pals affected him, I still can't see how Misty's irritability and mood swings in early OS are considered better than the effect that Serena's fixation or Lillie's politeness have had on Ash for example. Even if not everyone thinks that Ash being around kind people impacted him positively, I don't think Serena and Lillie have ever hindered Ash's character in any way, yet Alex would have us believe that them breathing ruined Ash's mojo. ~_~

I just think Misty, May and Dawn are more helpful and i like them the most. However i accept that others had different opinions.

Anyway, in terms of disappointment, Ash had disappointed me in Unova, Kalos and Alola. Ash even disappointed me in Kanto and Johto. His kanto team completely overshadowed his johto team which left all of them unevolved. Ash's Charizard costing Ash the kanto league was the worse bit of writing i have seen in my opinion.

Hoenn and Sinnoh along with Kanto Battle Frontier and Orange Islands were the only ones that truly impressed me. Ash achieved and done well in all of them in my opinion.

Please see the post in this thread as it's relevant to this discussion as well. Instead of replying back and forth to the same people and leading the thread into an unwelcoming, less than pleasant environment, we ask that you take a breath and step back. This thread is not for the same group of people to have circular arguments with one another. Thank you and appreciate your understanding!

His Kanto team didn't overshadowed his Johto team, Squirtle and Charizard didn't even stay very long in Johto, they left very early in Johto so they didn't stay very long, as for the Johto team they didn't need to evolve, the writers wanted to show them as small little powerhouses that can battle and win.

I do believe Misty help Ash a lot more, because even though she might have been a little mean to him, she only did it to make him be on his guard.

Another thing about Ash that disappoints me is when he shows good tactics in some places but then does not very good moves in others. Pretty inconsistant in my opinion.

Surely Ash should be able to stick to good tactics and not do things like tell pikachu to use an electric move on Torterra.

Alexander18 said:

Another thing about Ash that disappoints me is when he shows good tactics in some places but then does not very good moves in others. Pretty inconsistant in my opinion.

Surely Ash should be able to stick to good tactics and not do things like tell pikachu to use an electric move on Torterra.

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Well thats just bad writing Ash does know better but the writers go and make him do something dumb for the sake of false tension.

I admire Ash when he comes up with tactics at the last minute using his observational skills, but it's often silly how he's so observant in his battles, yet oblivious to certain things outside of that environment.

SH60 said:

Well thats just bad writing Ash does know better but the writers go and make him do something dumb for the sake of false tension.

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Bad writing happens in BW, XY and somewhat in SM. When Ash doesn't come up with moves or strategies it is not because of bad writing, it is because he isn't fully talented or a experienced trainer. There is no such thing like perfect Ash.