Abortion

[AnimeDDR110]

i think it should be legal because if it happens once its a mistake, but if it happens more then once then they should just have the baby.

 

[Ullion]

My opinion is that it is a cruel, in human act. For one reason it was the parents child there is no diffrence between murder and abortion to me. As said before foster home it not kill just because you don't want the baby. In every religon law whatever you want, the death of any by another is cruel in every way!

If it is cruel... then why do you call it inhumane? Last time I checked... the human race is corrupted and cruel. So negative things, such as how you see this topic, is humane, not inhumane.

And if so, one life is one life. I don't really see how its so horrible. Plus how do you see it as murder if it isn't proven to even be alive at that point. It is alive though, but it still hasn't been given life; it just simply exists at that point. Therefor, to me, I don't care if it is dead or alive. It comes down to the parent's choice. That is all.

 

[Radikaru]

I personally think it should be illegal, god doesn't give humans the right to take away another human life, if the baby isn't wanted, then it should be sent to a foster home, not killed, I want to show you guys something and then you might have a different opinion:

Can you imagine what people have to be thinking when they decide to turn this:

https://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u37/scrappydoo6101/EPSN0009-1.jpg

Into this:

Spoiler:

I know that it is extremely disgusting just to look at, could you imagine being the person that had to do it?

"Shocking" pictures rarely do anything.
Also, this is flawed. Abortions are done in the first trimester, when the potential fetus is not viable and most of the time still a group of cells, only slightly more complex than the cells that a woman's body absorbs every month after her ovulation.

The baby in the second picture is far past the viable stage.

Furthermore, it is not guaranteed that a baby that is put up for adoption will get a family, or even just a foster home.
Many of them -- thousands -- are simply half-heartedly kept by the government until they turn 18.

 

[Kylie-chan]

The abortion debate will always sizzle down to a religious argument. That's why it can never be logically won.

But I'm for abortion. And thus, I'm also completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together would be certain death.



I disagree with that on so many levels. We're not talking about forced shock treatment - we're talking about choice. That's what this debate should be about. Abortion isn't about whether or not a microscopic piece of goo inside of a woman is living or not (because I agree that partial birth abortion is taking things a bit far), abortion is rater about if the woman has the right to choose to abort a little parasite leeching away her own nutrients.

Have you ever heard of a Human Bot Fly? Long story short, the Bot Fly egg hatches on a human, buries itself into your skin, and continues to feed off of you until it comes out and turns into a pretty little fly. Should having that removed be considered murder? The problem with people that consider abortion murder is the inconsistency of what a "life" really is. Isn't it arrogant to think human life is the only important life? I love it when people talk about the morality of preserving life, and go home and squish a cockroach. If you're going to be "pro-life", you really have to go the full monty. You can't pick and choose what life you think it worth saving, because the truth is that there are too many life forms out there that are far better than us; the pitiful, pointless, destroying humans we are.

I've always wanted to start a campaign to "save the bacteria". I'd love a bumper sticker like that. Bacteria is technically a life... so if you're gonna be "pro-life", you might as well be "pro-bacteria" as well. In the case of logical morality, you have no choice.

As for the politics of the issue, being the right-wing Conservatives (AKA, wingnuts), there's also an inconsistency. These same people are often times pro-war/pro-government. The Government's opinion is that your life is important until you're born, then they don't give a crap about you. (Until you're of army recruiting age! Then they love you again).

Politically speaking, abortion can be summed up like this:
"If you're pre-born, you're fine; if you're pre-school, you're effed."

Let's get a civil union. We can devote our lives to saving cells. ^_^

It seems to me that a lot of people are saying it should be outlawed because it's murder. But how is it murder? Where do we draw the line between murder of a human being and murder of an... ant? Isn't it better just to get rid of the thing, which hasn't been proved yet to be sentient or anything [right?], then give it up to a life where it's not wanted? You guys are saying it should be 'if you're responsible enough to have sex, you should be responsible enough to have a kid'. That's wrong on so many levels.

a) Should does not equate to is. b) The sex is not necessarily a good decision or even by CHOICE. c) It's just as irresponsible to waste the resources of underfunded hospitals just to throw the kid into the nearest foster home, where you won't even know of its HAPPINESS. At least when it's aborted you know it's not going to go through that sort of trauma. d) Many people shouldn't be responsible for kids, sex or not. Why is sex considered a baby-making act? Why can't people just have it for enjoyment? It seems sex is automatically considered to be one step away from parenthood. Why should people be forced to deal with a kid just because they wanted to have sexual intercourse? That's like making the kid punishment for humans wanting to have pleasure. Yes, I think sex should be responsible. But responsibility doesn't equal having to have some sort of negative consequence.

Photographic evidence is just stupid and completely unnecessary. That's where it just jumps into a completely emotional debate. Eh, like it's been stated, we're never going to work it out. I think it's a personal decision that belongs to the parties involved, and the choice should be there for them.

And I'm curious as to how abortion has done good for humanity. Isn't the removing of a life, or even the chance of life, a negative thing?

Think of the already-existing lives that haven't been completely ruined because they didn't get saddled with responsibility for another life that they were incapable of taking on. And there are so many unwanted kids in the world. If everyone had to go through childbirth just to add to that number...

Sorry, but what the mother thinks best my rear end. If she did it unprotected for fun and she gets stuck with a baby, then she's gonna wanna get rid of it for sure if abortion is made legal and that's just sickening. I understand about the rape point but it's still a girl's problem to deal with.

You say that you can't bear people throwing away responsibility. Doesn't the rapist then have responsibility too?

She could've stayed indoors with at least her family or trustworthy people, not wear the classic little skirts on outings, whatever.

Where's my time machine?

And if the baby has disabilities or even bad parents, so what. Plenty of people overcome the odds and make do with what they got; the baby would just have to accept who he/she is and overcome more obstacles than the average person.

So what? So basically all the child abuse and suffering that also belongs to the parent matters NOTHING? I don't mind living, even though I've got heaps of conditions and stuff. But I don't exactly like having them. I've learnt to deal with them; just because I have doesn't mean I think everyone should have to suffer them and just 'deal'.

Life isn't fair for everyone but that doesn't mean it's right to end a baby's life to prevent it from future suffering.

May I ask something? Are we talking about killing a baby or aborting a foetus?

I don't know about you guys but I'd rather live the most miserable life than live no life at all.

It's questionable whether you would be capable of 'rathering' anything.

Ruining a baby's life for someone else's mistake...

Ruining the life of several people because of biological impracticalities.

Bah. I can't stand someone dumping off their problems and not taking responsibility for their actions. And abortion, in my opinion, is dumping off a problem that they don't want to deal with.

So's foster homing.

@Radikaru: Thank you for summing up what I've been trying to say. Foster homing because you don't want the kid is worse than aborting the kid and not making a liability on public systems, people, and the kid themselves just because you still don't want the kid.

 

[Careful With That Axe Pichu!]

All I can say is STFU, I believe in god so I don't really care what other people believe in.

You're one of mine! I believe in fairies.

Life isn't fair for everyone but that doesn't mean it's right to end a baby's life to prevent it from future suffering.

I'm sure the fetuses agree with you-- at immediate abortion, their couple neurons should be enough for them to deliberate justice or physical/psychological human suffering, concepts that are probably very clear to them by their fifth week in utero.

I don't know about you guys but I'd rather live the most miserable life than live no life at all.

If I got a penny for everytime a foetus said that...

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Ruining a baby's life for someone else's mistake...

Since when are we talking about babies?

 

[Jordan]

If I got a penny for everytime a fetus said that...
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....That is a piece of comedy that I shall forever convulse at....in all seriousness.

Jordan.

 

[Allstories]

I don't know about you guys but I'd rather live the most miserable life than live no life at all.

Easy for you to say. I bet you've never had it that rough.

 

[Zanacross]

Where are we going to put all the babies noone wants.

We cant find foster perents for ever single little bab that noone wants.

If we ban abortion babies will be abused.

My mum wasnt allowed to abort me. (riligion or sumet)
So i got abused and put in foster care.

This will happen if we ban abortion.
I dont care if we make more laws against it. it wont work. i dont care what anone says.

Im not gonna be the one responsible for babies dieing from abuse.

I dont see the piont of people not being allowed to abort.

I would rather die then have a rubbish life liveing with my mum in a rubbish city or house going to a rubbish school with rubbish grades.

It wouldnt be fair on me.

I think thats one she put me up for foster care and i love m mum for her.

 

[Lady Nicole]

Well what is it when a woman gets pregnant by accident anyway? It's just a bunch of cells to start off with, nothing more.
Think of it this way. If the woman had never had sex or hadn't been unlucky enough to get pregnant at the time she had sex, that egg would have been lost anyway. Every time a woman has a period she looses another egg.
Are you suggesting that a woman should be pregnant every time she produces an egg?

EDIT: Well in that case I've "murdered" about 40 "babies."

An egg is nothing more than the genetic information from the mother, same as a sperm is nothing more than the genetic information from the father. It's just available genetic information for reproduction. It reproduction wasn't wanted the egg is lost. However, if reproduction wasn't wanted but it happened...this is where our topic comes in. If the woman could go back in time she would never have let this happen, so why should now be any different?
Or are you suggesting that to lose a fertilized egg which was an accident and hasn't even developed a brain is any different to losing an unfertilized egg and a sperm separately?

That bunch of cells doesn't know it's there. It hasn't developed very much at all, so I don't see how its wrong to get rid of it, as it was never there before nor was it meant to be. Nobody loves it like they love a baby because it doesn't have a personality of its own yet. It's not a baby yet! Why let it become one when any other egg could have done?

But then we ask ourselves the question:
When does a bunch of cells become a baby?

Well that's debatable. You could say it becomes a baby when it can think and feel on its own.
A fetus is actually a parasite growing inside a womans body. It is no longer a parasite when it can survive outside her body. Therefore it's still a part of her body when it's relying on her like that.

If I had it my way, abortion should be legal before the fetus can think and feel for itself as it's the woman's body and therefore her decision as to what she should do with her own body.
As for the pictures Kazaam put up, both babies were far too developed to be aborted for my liking. They both had somewhat developed thinking brains and personalities.

Just my opinion ^_^

 

[Harper]

i think the point's being missed here. It's not whether it should be legal or not it's at what stage it should be legal.
i personaly think it's alright to abort something that is still basicaly a piece of meat and hast got a brain yet, but what about a baby that is almost fully formed?
the big point is, no one can realy make up their minds on when is it killing and when it isnt. at what moment is the baby ALIVE?

and i'm so dumb cos i didnt read the post before me.that's what happens when you skip half and just straight to the end...

 

[Jaimes]

Mwahaha I love topics like this, time to do some serious scientific pwnage.. :D

i personaly think it's alright to abort something that is still basicaly a piece of meat and hast got a brain yet, but what about a baby that is almost fully formed?

A willful and unnecessary termination of a fetus can be done by choice within 24 weeks - but in reality ITS VERY VERY RARE for people to choose abortions at such a late stage (because its far too inconvenient, difficult and expensive).

The most common abortion methods can be purchased over the counter - i.e. the 'morning after pill' which removes a single cell from the uterus. That's it, a single cell.. People who whine about abortion usually have never researched into it thereselves. As a matter of fact, many don't even consider these pills a form of abortion.
So what else would count as a potential prevention of life? Using contraception, even not donating stem cells or gametes would clearly be accounted for.

Eitherway this is decided as this is when the fetus can react to external stimuli. At the latest stage, the fetus can react but is not developed enough to make its own thoughts. Similar to the movement of bacteria who decided to inhabit Flemmings penicillin - clearly no one batted an eyelid at the death of these.

EDIT: I also think that those awful "scare pictures" should be removed from this thread. If the poster had any actual knowledge about abortion then it would be easy to tell that the bottom is not an aborted fetus.
I think it's shameful and disgusting how you can tag an image of what appears to be an premature/ill child as a scare tactic by pretending it's something completely different.