All fire starters stand on 2 legs

[mokonasakura]

For there final evolution all fire starts stand on 2 legs, sorry everyone who thinks litten will look like a bad ass arcanine hes going to look more pyroarish.

 

[Iceshadow3317]

Yeah i don't think that is proof that it will be a biepedal. Nothing is confirmed till proof. They are breaking traditions left and right. So at the moment, that is a very small possibility. If it isn't a fighting type, I don't see a point of it standing on 2 legs.

 

[mokonasakura]

Yeah i don't think that is proof that it will be a biepedal. Nothing is confirmed till proof. They are breaking traditions left and right. So at the moment, that is a very small possibility. If it isn't a fighting type, I don't see a point of it standing on 2 legs.

They found a way to fuck up delphox they will find a way to fuck up litten.

 

[Bobbylicious]

Preach it soul sister. I've seen everyone complain about this way back when Braixen was revealed. I'm like, do you even play Pokemon because literally every first evoltion, par Cyndaquil, does this.

 

[mokonasakura]

Just thought of how they will fuck him up. You see that awesome mustache that makes no sense on him you all love so much. You all also read how his fur is oil right? And if we are to believe the leak he will either be pure fire or fire/ground, but whats the oil fur for then? Well its a tuxedo, congrats you now have a cat man wearing a tux and one epic mustache for the final evolution.

OMG and there is more pokemon fusion was thought to maybe be the new thing and maybe this pokemon fusion fuses pokemon with pokemon instead of trainers so rowlett will bring the tie, litten will bring the suite, and popplio will bring the sweet collar.

 

[illumine]

They found a way to **** up delphox they will find a way to **** up litten.

This seems reasonable.

Still, it needn't mean that much as yet, unless they explicitly opt to cleave to this tradition. A cat standing up would be a bit of a weird case, but they might well be able to do something similar even to a snake Fire starter, in spite of the wrath of God and commandments of Moses, so it's still uncertain as yet.

Standing symbolism with predatory cats does have some precedent in pottery, etc., if they wish to go with that kind of thing for Litten. Not doing so might seem more of an obvious route, though, but if it looked like Typhlosion they could always establish some kind of rivalry between the fire mouse and fire cat...

 

[Iceshadow3317]

Technically speaking, Typhlosion is a 4 legged starter. Most art just shows him standing up. Delphox was a wizard/mage, it would have been odd for it to have been on all 4s. Trends are being broken like mad. Nothing can be predicted right now. And just an fyi, half the starters have started as bipedals.

Typhlosion is both, so it can be argued that it doesn't count. Tepig, Fennekin, and Litten are the only ones that have been 4 legged. 1 was fighting and 1 was a wizard/page inspired. So unless litten is based on something that wouldn't make since to not stand, it will be 4 legged. And as far as I can tell, it will be based off a Tiger, and if that is the case, it is probably both like Typhlosion.

 

[Nah]

hes going to look more pyroarish.

just sayin', Pyroar is also 4-legged

Whilst it's true we can look at previous trends and assume how things are gonna go... why not be creative and assume they might switch things up? They have nothing to lose by doing so. :)

As much as I'd like to believe that Game Freak is serious about trying to break from the usual Pokemon mold and will really do it in Sun and Moon, I'm not really gonna believe it till I see it.

That's more a comment about the games in general and not the starters specifically though.

 

[mokonasakura]

just sayin', Pyroar is also 4-legged


As much as I'd like to believe that Game Freak is serious about trying to break from the usual Pokemon mold and will really do it in Sun and Moon, I'm not really gonna believe it till I see it.

That's more a comment about the games in general and not the starters specifically though.

Yep sorry stupid me got the name confused with emboar.

 

[BettyNewbie]

Remember that we're talking about the same franchise that gave us three Fire/Fighting starters in a row. And, took until Gen 6 to produce a Grass starter that wasn't a reptile. And, took until the most recent gen to produce another starter base form that was dual type.

Sadly, I've come not to expect a ton of originality from GF with the starters anymore.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Remember that we're talking about the same franchise that gave us three Fire/Fighting starters in a row. And, took until Gen 6 to produce a Grass starter that wasn't a reptile. And, took until the most recent gen to produce another starter base form that was dual type.

Sadly, I've come not to expect a ton of originality from GF with the starters anymore.

Dual type base forms are an oddity. Most Dual type base form starters wouldn't make sense. I didn't even learn that Bulbasaur was part poison itself until Gen IV... it didn't scream poison unlike Venusaur. Now Rowlet makes sense as a Dual type from the onset.

 

[Hikamaru]

Remember that we're talking about the same franchise that gave us three Fire/Fighting starters in a row. And, took until Gen 6 to produce a Grass starter that wasn't a reptile. And, took until the most recent gen to produce another starter base form that was dual type.

Sadly, I've come not to expect a ton of originality from GF with the starters anymore.

The Fire starter evolutions being bipeds are mainly a coincidence, but with some designs it makes sense. It's interesting seeing Game Freak breaking the mold with the Grass starters lately, considering Chespin broke the reptilian streak and Rowlet is our first dual-type base starter other than Bulbasaur.


Fire still has the supposed Chinese Zodiac trend (Litten appears to be representing the tiger) and Water still has the amphibious creatures trend.

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

The Fire starter evolutions being bipeds are mainly a coincidence, but with some designs it makes sense. It's interesting seeing Game Freak breaking the mold with the Grass starters lately, considering Chespin broke the reptilian streak and Rowlet is our first dual-type base starter other than Bulbasaur.


Fire still has the supposed Chinese Zodiac trend (Litten appears to be representing the tiger) and Water still has the amphibious creatures trend.

Unless if you count the Honey badger and the Fox as not substituting the Rat and Dog respectively. Also Litten might be the 13th sign, the cat itself. If it were a Tiger it's name might be Litcub, not Litten as baby Tigers are cubs. Plus it's Japanese name is that of a species of cat, the Tabby plus Nyan (Neko nihongo for Meow).

 

[PkmnTrainerElio]

I hope Litten's final evolution will be bipedal... It's just a tradition that should never be broken...

 

[BettyNewbie]

Dual type base forms are an oddity. Most Dual type base form starters wouldn't make sense. I didn't even learn that Bulbasaur was part poison itself until Gen IV... it didn't scream poison unlike Venusaur. Now Rowlet makes sense as a Dual type from the onset.

Only because GF chose for things to be that way. While not all starter base forms would've worked as dual types, there were some that could've. (Mudkip comes to mind here. Its name suggests Ground typing, and it was essentially a starter version of Wooper from Gen 2, which was part-Ground.)

It's very easy for traditions to turn into formulas and become tiresome. Again, for almost 15 years, it was a "tradition" for the Fire starter to always be part-Fighting, and we all know how the fandom felt about that. Heck, we still haven't broken the "tradition" of always having a Fighting type starter, in general, with Gens 3-5 having Fire/Fighting and Gen 6 having Grass/Fighting. From what I've heard about Popplio, Gen 7 will likely continue the streak of Fighting starters.

 

[Hikamaru]

Only because GF chose for things to be that way. While not all starter base forms would've worked as dual types, there were some that could've. (Mudkip comes to mind here. Its name suggests Ground typing, and it was essentially a starter version of Wooper from Gen 2, which was part-Ground.)

It's very easy for traditions to turn into formulas and become tiresome. Again, for almost 15 years, it was a "tradition" for the Fire starter to always be part-Fighting, and we all know how the fandom felt about that. Heck, we still haven't broken the "tradition" of always having a Fighting type starter, in general, with Gens 3-5 having Fire/Fighting and Gen 6 having Grass/Fighting. From what I've heard about Popplio, Gen 7 will likely continue the streak of Fighting starters.

I always remember that fanart in the link there, but it is interesting that if Popplio becomes Water/Fighting (especially with all those theories going around) it'll mean we've had a part-Fighting starter for each new trio introduced in what has been around 13 years now.

 

[BettyNewbie]

I always remember that fanart in the link there, but it is interesting that if Popplio becomes Water/Fighting (especially with all those theories going around) it'll mean we've had a part-Fighting starter for each new trio introduced in what has been around 13 years now.

Which has become extremely tiresome, IMO. Even if it's not Fire/Fighting anymore, it's still a secondary typing that's getting reused over and over again to the exclusion of others.

I get that some secondary types would be too powerful for starters (like Dragon), but that doesn't mean that they have to constantly reuse the same ones again and again.

 

[Hikamaru]

Which has become extremely tiresome, IMO. Even if it's not Fire/Fighting anymore, it's still a secondary typing that's getting reused over and over again to the exclusion of others.

I get that some secondary types would be too powerful for starters (like Dragon), but that doesn't mean that they have to constantly reuse the same ones again and again.

I can easily understand. It's like Game Freak is giving off the impression that they don't want to use many secondary types due to being "too powerful" so they're sticking to middle-of-the-road power category such as Ground and Fighting, when those types are actually used quite often competitively due to their coverage. People got sick of Fire/Fighting starters as of 5th Gen, and at this rate they could be getting sick of Fighting starters in general.

 

[Princess Sapphire]

I agree completely. I can understand them wanting to have starters with secondary typings, bur for cryin' out loud, either keep them pure, or use type combinations that have yet to be used


As for all Fire started ending up bipedal, I think that's debatable. Typhlosion is capable of being on either 2 legs or 4. Each starter set seems to have a theme, although the Grass starter tradition is already broken. But here's my personal opinion on the themes, and my reasoning behind them:


Grass - Always based on a reptile
Fire - Final form always has exposed flame
Water - Capable of being on land and in water


The Grass tradition is already broken, as Chespin is not based on a reptile. He is much more like an armadillo


While most of the Fire starters are based on the Chinese zodiac, not all of them count. Cyndaquil is much more echidna oriented in my opinion. And though that is a rodent, it is not a rat. And Fennekin is clearly a fox, not a dog. But regardless of appearance, all the final Fire forms have an exposed flame - IE - Charizard/Infernape - tail flames, Typhlosion/Blaziken - able to control when their flames are exposed, Emboar has the firey beard, and Delphox has her fiery twig/magic wand


Water starters have a bit of a limit, as their theme is capability of being on land and in water. So, as much as we all want a dolphin-based Pokémon, it will never be as a starter, because it is water-bound


So........ turtle, crocodile/alligator, mudskipper, penguin, otter, frog, and now a sea lion. All water-oriented animals capable of being on land as well

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Only because GF chose for things to be that way. While not all starter base forms would've worked as dual types, there were some that could've. (Mudkip comes to mind here. Its name suggests Ground typing, and it was essentially a starter version of Wooper from Gen 2, which was part-Ground.)

It's very easy for traditions to turn into formulas and become tiresome. Again, for almost 15 years, it was a "tradition" for the Fire starter to always be part-Fighting, and we all know how the fandom felt about that. Heck, we still haven't broken the "tradition" of always having a Fighting type starter, in general, with Gens 3-5 having Fire/Fighting and Gen 6 having Grass/Fighting. From what I've heard about Popplio, Gen 7 will likely continue the streak of Fighting starters.

Actually it's 11 years. RS came out in Japan in 2002, XY came out 2013. So it's closer to 10 than 15 xD.


Ah, you're right about that one. Also, Gen IV gave us a second part ground final evolution starter after Swampert in the previous Gen. Now we might complete the Ground trio if rumor on Litten being Fire/Ground prove accurate.


Types most commonly paired with the starters are
none (pure), Fighting, Ground, and thanks to Rowlet Flying. Dragon also counts if you include the starter Megas.


Types we have yet to see in more than one so far are
Poison (I)
Steel (IV)
Psychic (VI)
Dark (VI)