Bad graphics? Bad construction? Bad game?

[RSL]

Not only that, Arcanine WAS redone, as well as Pidgeot.

Not only that, it seems that every Pogey was redone JUST FOR THIS GAME, so...

Please do the mods a favor and let them lock this, plz.

 

[acrof]

Typhlosion's model...not a big deal.

Only if it´s not your favorite pokémon.

"Disappearing" Pokeball...actually doesn't disappear. Check for yourself.

I have to agree, it´s true.

Not only that, Arcanine WAS redone, as well as Pidgeot.

Would you mind to post a pic then? :badsmile: :P
(and I´m not talking about light effects, I know that they are using this effect to hide the bad quality of the old models, I want to see the remodeled 3D models of them)

 

[Momoko]

doesnt really matter,does it? its an old gae and theres many more newer ones to play.

 

[acrof]

One thing that bugs me is: why to protect such game?
Sometime ago, I was amazed at the preview of PBR released by Nintendo, but after some research I found that this game is a
Stadium without Gyms and mini-games, but with wi-fi, new pokemon, and better looking graphics.

I tought: "They must be kidding! This game is not half of what they showed in the preview!"
Where´s the arena destruction?
The Story Mode?
The mini-games?
The storage system?
Any feature using the wii-mote?

I can see that most of people here are trying to protect PBR, and probably because it´s a pokémon game (saddly I used to do that too :P).
But try to keep in mind that pokemon´s battle style is from a RPG, but PBR is not an RPG, it´s a fighting game. (or should I say that PBR is a pokemon RPG without a story line?)
Pokemon is not only about battle you know?
However pokemon battles are the best part of pokemon IMO, but pokemon is not only that, I still love Gold and Silver because those were RPGs that gave me the sensation of being in the hero´s place, the same goes to Diamond and Pearl.

Also, "to release it faster" is not an excuse for removing all the promised features they showed in the first interview (with the first preview). Mario Galaxy, and Smash Bros Brawl were not rushed to be released, they were announced almost at the same time that PBR was, but they are still in development, and I´m sure the results will be awesome because they are working hard on them.

 

[Ichida]

It all boils down to one fact: If you aren't going to buy this game either because you don't have the Wii or you feel like picking PBR apart for every little this-and-that, then the answer is simple: don't play. Leave us who are satisfied with PBR for what it is to reap each others' teams.

 

[Zyph]

Yeah, a lot of the models are in fact not redone since Colosseum.

The animations for the Pokemon have stayed the same since Colosseum, and Jigglypuff's animation has not changed since Stadium.

I'm a little disappointed that there isn't much to do besides battle to get points to pimp out your trainer.

Graphics are fine, though.

 

[acrof]

It all boils down to one fact: If you aren't going to buy this game either because you don't have the Wii or you feel like picking PBR apart for every little this-and-that, then the answer is simple: don't play. Leave us who are satisfied with PBR for what it is to reap each others' teams.

There is one little problem:
One of my hobbies is to finish pokemon games!
I will buy and will play it, someday, but I´m not satisfied with what I´m going to do, and I´m not afraid to say that this game really disapointed me in almost every way possible.
I stopped to protect this kind of game, just because it´s a pokemon game.

 

[ThatInsaneKid]

I hate stupid people.

And therefore, by property of association, I greatly dislike you at the moment, Arcof.

So.

Let's analyze your last rant-post.

One thing that bugs me is: why to protect such game?
Sometime ago, I was amazed at the preview of PBR released by Nintendo, but after some research I found that this game is a
Stadium without Gyms and mini-games, but with wi-fi, new pokemon, and better looking graphics.
THIS. IS. NOT. STADIUM. It's not SUPPOSED to have Gyms. Or MiniGames.

I tought: "They must be kidding! This game is not half of what they showed in the preview!"
Where´s the arena destruction?

Yes, this disappointed me, too. But it's not that big of a deal. Calm down, you brat.

The Story Mode?
IT'S. A. FREAKING. BATTLING GAME. IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A FULL FLEDGED RPG.

The mini-games?
Not a remake of Stadium... It's NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE THEM!

The storage system?
Does in fact exist. You copy the Pokemon from your copy of D/P, and those Pokemon go into boxes that you use when creating the trainer cards.

Any feature using the wii-mote?
I have a question for you. Did "Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time" use the touch screen? No. So why does every single Wii game have to use the motion sensory? It uses the Wiimote as a pointer. That's all it needs to be used as.

I can see that most of people here are trying to protect PBR, and probably because it´s a pokémon game (saddly I used to do that too ).
But try to keep in mind that pokemon´s battle style is from a RPG, but PBR is not an RPG, it´s a fighting game. (or should I say that PBR is a pokemon RPG without a story line?)
Pokemon is not only about battle you know?'
Yeah, Pokemon is generally about catching, training and battling Pokemon to eventually battle the E4 and become Champion. Afterwards, the goal is to catch/see every single Pokemon. But Pokemon BATTLE REVOLUTION has a different focus. Using your Pokemon you caught in D/P to battle your friends and other people from all over the world. It's NOT a traditional Pokemon game.

However, pokemon battles are the best part of pokemon IMO, but pokemon is not only that, I still love Gold and Silver because those were RPGs that gave me the sensation of being in the hero´s place, the same goes to Diamond and Pearl.
See my above point.

Also, "to release it faster" is not an excuse for removing all the promised features they showed in the first interview (with the first preview). Mario Galaxy, and Smash Bros Brawl were not rushed to be released, they were announced almost at the same time that PBR was, but they are still in development, and I´m sure the results will be awesome because they are working hard on them.
The only problem with your statement is that Mario Galaxy and SSBB are bigger games with a bigger fanbase. Mario Galaxy is an RPG/adventure game, so it also takes longer to make than a game like PBR. Brawl is supposed to be loaded with characters, stages, items, final smashes, etc. that all take a lot of time to complete. Also, both games are going to be using more functions of the Wiimote. It's only natural that they're going to take much longer to complete.

The end.

Now. My opinion is that PBR is a great game. The graphics are great from what I've seen, the attacks are a lot more detailed ((SolarBeam = LOVE!!)), and the different stadiums ((all with different rules once you beat them for the first time)) and trainer customization are a nice treat.

The end. Furreal.

 

[PoetikaL]

I feel like this:

It's a great game no doubt, it's solid, but I also think they could of done more to it to make it better. They should of added maybe a mini-game section or something, added more surprises, like the change to get the special items to get the 3 Event pokemon Darkrai, Shaymin and Arceus, but overall it's still a good game. I'd give it a 7/10.

That's just my opinion.

 

[NocturnLeader]

Nintendo Power gave it a 6.5 and I agree with them, its got its ups and downs, but it does what it is supposed to do. Entertain you for hours, battle people online and see pokemon in 3d on the big screen.
Just wish there was a bit more to do in the game, like transfer pokemon to your game that you can win once you beat a certain place 6 times.

 

[acrof]

Either you're an elitist or a pessimist

overreacting kid

stupid people...property of association...Acrof

you brat

I see that some people like to give me names, so I want o ask:
Aren't you able to provoke me in another way?
Cause, you know, that really doesn't work.
And I'm sure that if I start to use this same strategy with you,
you'll say that I'm flaming you, etc.
I won't do this because if I start to flame you and the game you insist to protect, both at same time, you'll probably go insane.

BACK TO THE TOPIC:
So if PBR's objective is to battle, why not use a different battle system, something like a smash bros battle system?
And I know what are you going to say: "THAT'S NOT THE STYLE OF POKEMON!!!11"

And here's my answer:
Pokemon has not a style!
Are Snap, Dash, Trozei, Ranger, Pinball, etc, standard pokemon games?
No, Nintendo/GameFreak is always creating something new, and different, so if they wanted to create a pure pokemon fighting game they should have done it without the RPG style battle.

Then some will say: " IT WILL TAKE TOO MUCH TIME TO FINISH THIS KIND OF GAME, LET THEY RELEASE A POOR GAME FASTER, BECAUSE I CAN'T WAIT TO PLAY POLKAMON!!!!11"

Well, what can I say?
If you can't wait a whole year to get the most amazing game of your favorite franchise, then stay with the rushed-and-made-only-to-sell games.

 

[ThatInsaneKid]

Once again, flawed logic makes a great opprotunity for people to prove it wrong. Although I commend you on the fact that there's only one problem with your last post.

But before I do that...

You see, if you were quote "flaming me", I really wouldn't care. I don't care what anybody says. You really shouldn't care, either.

And now, back to my purpose for posting.

So if PBR's objective is to battle, why not use a different battle system, something like a smash bros battle system?
And I know what are you going to say: "THAT'S NOT THE STYLE OF POKEMON!!!11"

And here's my answer:
Pokemon has not a style!
Are Snap, Dash, Trozei, Ranger, Pinball, etc, standard pokemon games?
No, Nintendo/GameFreak is always creating something new, and different, so if they wanted to create a pure pokemon fighting game they should have done it without the RPG style battle.

Point taken. However, if you notice, Stadium, which is the BASIS of this game ((NOTE: I said basis. Which does not in any way, shape, or form mean that PBR is a remake.)) also uses the traditional battle system. Why would they take the time and money to make a real time battle system ala Smash Bros, which would take a lot more time and money to create, and might not sell as much as a game with the traditional battle system would, when they can make a game with the traditional battle system and know it's going to sell fairly well?

And a 493-character real time fighting game? Highly improbable.

 

[Cross]

I see that some people like to give me names, so I want o ask:
Aren't you able to provoke me in another way?
Cause, you know, that really doesn't work.
And I'm sure that if I start to use this same strategy with you,
you'll say that I'm flaming you, etc.
I won't do this because if I start to flame you and the game you insist to protect, both at same time, you'll probably go insane.

It sounds more like innocent trolling. You seem to have a fun time going on 10 pages with your opinion of silly disappearing Pokeballs and fire spikes.

So the graphics aren't PS3 style. Big deal. It's nothing to go on for over 10 pages about. The way you whine like a small 5 year old is ASKING for flaming. If I made a thread like this, I'd want to die seeing all the irratation I've caused people.

And FYI, I got it, and I think it's so much fun, the graphics aren't even a bother to me.

Also, would you kindly tell me what makes PBR not a RPG? The inability of walking around?

 

[Jirachi3]

Heatran, what makes it not an rpg is just that. Its not a role playing game. Its pretty much a $50 way to use your d/p game on the big screen to battle random people...

 

[acrof]

And a 493-character real time fighting game? Highly improbable.

Maybe, but they should try it someday, Smash Bros is so much fun,
and a pokemon game using such features would attract people from both fan bases (pokemon, real time fighting games).
They have the 3D models ready, and it don't have to have all 493 pokemon, they should do like Digimon Rumble Arena (only the ones that are cool, or the most used would enter), also if "graphics don't mean anything" they could make it faster but with less realism than SSB Brawl, to release it faster.

You seem to have a fun time going on 10 pages with your opinion of silly disappearing Pokeballs and fire spikes.

So the graphics aren't PS3 style. Big deal. It's nothing to go on for over 10 pages about. The way you whine like a small 5 year old is ASKING for flaming. If I made a thread like this, I'd want to die seeing all the irratation I've caused people.

Do you know why this thread is like this now?
Because I started something that anybody here probably saw before:
A pokemon fan complaining about a pokemon game! (A big one, not something like pinball)

And if this thread is causing so much irratation to you (I mean, everybody), why do you insist to reply my posts?
Because you have the feeling that you must protect this game, and/or are afraid that some people won't buy it, because of what I'm doing.
Also, I'm not the only one complaining about something in this game, through all the pages of this thread I found people that
had a complaint here or there, I just put everything together.

Also, would you kindly tell me what makes PBR not a RPG? The inability of walking around?

3 things tha can be found in every RPG:
*Story Line.
*Characters that can be level trained.
And at last but not least:
*The sum of everything in a RPG must give the player the sensation of being in the hero's place.

PBR don't have the first one, so even summing everything you got in it, you won't make PBR a RPG.

Its pretty much a $50 way to use your d/p game on the big screen to battle random people...

Best definition ever! XD

 

[Forci Stikane]

Do you know why this thread is like this now?
[S-HIGHLIGHT]Because I started something that anybody here probably never saw before:
A pokemon fan complaining about a pokemon game![/S-HIGHLIGHT] (A big one, not something like pinball)

Actually, yes I have. Quite a few times, as a matter of fact, which makes me laugh at you for that statement. The reason that the thread is like this now is because you insist on complaining, when most of your complaints aren't even true. Even then, the only one that might be true (the Typhlosion & Arcanine thing) translates in my mind to you whining about your favorite Pokemon and how it isn't exactly how YOU want it.

 

[acrof]

Actually, yes I have. Quite a few times, as a matter of fact, which makes me laugh at you for that statement. The reason that the thread is like this now is because you insist on complaining, when most of your complaints aren't even true. Even then, the only one that might be true (the Typhlosion & Arcanine thing) translates in my mind to you whining about your favorite Pokemon and how it isn't exactly how YOU want it.

What makes me different from any pokemon fan?
95% of my favorite pokemons were forgotten in this game, they just Ctrl-C Ctrl-V them (copy and paste) in PBR, what kind of fan would like to see that?
And besides I wonder if you would like to see almost every favorite pokemon you have, the same same way I'm seeing mine.
It's not only me complaining about something in this game, my original complaint was that my favorite pokemon (Typhlosion, Arcanine, Pidgeot, Lugia, etc) were the same found in Stadium, then someone posted that he didn't like the lack of a story mode, then I included this complaint in my first post, and so go on.....
(note that I have removed the pokeball vanishing problem from my first post, because you said and I confirmed that it wasn't true)
So let's do like this:
Prove that everything in my first post is wrong and I'll ask for a moderator to close this thread, ok?
Wich I think it's only possible when PBR become the ultimate pokemon game.

Also, I like pokemon since 1997 (I'm 17 now), and I don't like the new pokemon the way I like the old ones, so don't say to me: "But the new ones are amazing" because the old ones, the ones that I (and probably every veteran) like most, are horrible.

 

[Bishopk]

There's so much room for improvement, but so much has been gained. Let's all agree to disagree and have our opinions.

 

[от_Ian]

Nintendo Power is quoted as saying that the game has some of the best graphics on the Wii.

 

[Ichida]

Yeah, some people are just content *****ing about their particular favorites not getting as much of a re-hash in their models as some other Pokemon. Suck it up, people, it's not like they're about to recall the game so they can make Typhlosion's head flame look less papery.