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on the switch in it will take it down to half health btw you cant kill gardevoir with bullet punch not with the focus band and the second focus blast kills scizor end of the story also im currently making a better heatran counter gardevoir with hp fire which CAN take it down in one shot, im not sure about heatran
also who said i was using gardevoir to counter scizor
LOL seriously come on ppl no need to be so ruffled up
i guess you guys just love overused pokemon so much that you made this thread huh... oh wait this thread was made to be the opposite of that???? oh sry i thot something else
 
Pursuit isn't that bad on Pory2. It does 30.5% - 36.1% when it switches out.

Lol at thinking that Focus Blast OHKO's Scizor.

I may sound rude by saying this, but the fact that you tried to shoot me down and failed kind of sounds the alarm to stop fighting against us. We know what we're talking about. If you want to use Gardevoir, fine, go ahead. Just please stop trying to argue that it's "better" for whatever reason, because it's impossible to win against such a stubborn collection of people.

(Focus Band is generally banned for being a hax item by the way. And sash is poop on anything that isn't a lead)
 
on the switch in it will take it down to half health btw you cant kill gardevoir with bullet punch not with the focus band and the second focus blast kills scizor end of the story also im currently making a better heatran counter gardevoir with hp fire which CAN take it down in one shot, im not sure about heatran
also who said i was using gardevoir to counter scizor
LOL seriously come on ppl no need to be so ruffled up
i guess you guys just love overused pokemon so much that you made this thread huh... oh wait this thread was made to be the opposite of that???? oh sry i thot something else
 
hey twighlight in what scenario do you think i use gardevoir in.... A LEAD??? ... no wait i already said its for heatran NOT for killing everything
also i meant to say focus sash ( im looking through my items rite now)
also hi im twightlight sky i think this guy uses gardevoir as a sweeper
does anyone know what counter means???????
 
NickofTime said:
on the switch in it will take it down to half health btw you cant kill gardevoir with bullet punch not with the focus band and the second focus blast kills scizor end of the story also im currently making a better heatran counter gardevoir with hp fire which CAN take it down in one shot, im not sure about heatran
also who said i was using gardevoir to counter scizor
LOL seriously come on ppl no need to be so ruffled up
i guess you guys just love overused pokemon so much that you made this thread huh... oh wait this thread was made to be the opposite of that???? oh sry i thot something else
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I was referring to the fact that P2 isn't pursuit weak. Which is why P2 >> Gardevoir if all you're looking for it Trace.

By the way. P2 is NU. It's hardly used. And this thread wasn't made to oppose OU pokemon or competitive battling. It's merely for discussion centered around Wifi Battling and Shoddy Battling.

Counter means: A pokemon that can safely switch into any attack from the pokemon it is trying to counter, and safely eliminate said pokemon. Sure it can "counter" Heatran. But it's not worth being weak to everything else. And like I said earlier. Focus Sash on anything but a lead is poop. SR/Spikes/SS ruin it.
 
How about we stop this argument because this guy will never win
 
i would quote u guys but i dont have the time
if a counter kills any pokemon at all on the team thats a success for that counter because you just scouted 3 pokemon on that said team one of them is now KO d
well i guess hp fire cant take down heatran but i think ill go for a focus blast so ill kill it.... YAY
also aero if you read my past comments b4 i started getting attacked
i only said gardevoir is a decent counter for a choice scarf heatran...thats all i said
also i apologized for insulting any of your favorite pokemon
and i said repeatidly that gardevoir isnt the best counter of anything ever
so what do you want me to say that gardevoir ISNT a good counter of choice scarfed heatran?????
 
Dude, I did not understand that post at all.... A counter is what I said, not what you said.

Did you honestly test to see if HP Fire would kill Heatran? You know that one ability you're tracing with Gardevoir...oh yeah. What's it do again?

To the stuff directed at me: And I said that Porygon2 did that job better. :/ As did Gamer with the support of Discharge paracripple. I'm fairly certain none of us are offended by insulting pokemon. I like pokemon (like Delibird, my favorite) but I know it sucks, so I don't use it for competitive play. I leave my favorite for in-game stuff.

If it's not the best, why do you use it? The "I like it" argument fails as you've already stated that you do not like it. lol
 
NickofTime said:
i really dont know a lot about battling ( i lose a lot, im more of a collector)
but i have come to realize that a lot of teams use pre - ordained concepts on smogon and other such websites
and have found that a lot of my favorite pokemon can't be used because they dont have the type coverage and movepool that other diverse pokemon have
I miss being able to put a ursarang on my team also i hate seeing heatran i have to put a gardevoir on my team just to stop it
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i just quoted myself this is my first post that i think gardevoir is a good counter for heatran
and the rest of what you said is a matter of opinion

whats the harm of using hp fire on a pokemon already locked into using a fire move on a pokemon with flash fire here ill answer you.... NOTHING

sure you get the bonus of parahax (SOMETIMES) but 20 more base special attack and defense is worth it in my opinion
 
Let me just say that I DO use Gardevoir in OU (and it does okay, depending on how you use it...) and I have used Gardevoir against Heatran and believe it is utter bait against Heatran. The only reason MY Gardevoir survived was because I hypnosis'd on the switch and manage to escape. Focus Blast the Heatran all you want, it'll survive the first hit IF you hit and cackle like a maniac if it doesn't. You're bait either way.
 
Paralysis actually cuts speed. It's either halves it or quarters it. I can't remember off the top of my head, but regardless, it cripples anything that relies on the speed stat. That's the bonus. Parahax isn't the concern.

Why are you testing damage outputs for HP Fire on Heatran though? They should all just say 0% as that's all you're doing. Also, P2 is a superior tracer because it's more rounded as a defensive pokemon, isn't pursuit weak, and doesn't die to as much of the metagame as Gardevoir does. That sir, is fact. (I enjoy this)
 
P O R Y G O N 2 is better than gardy as a tracer. It gets Recover. Gardy does not. Aka, <pokemon> used toxic.

Also, are you running specs or LO or lefties on gardevior?

EDIT: also paralysis halves speed. ^___^
 
In other news, I just spent the last 2 hours watching Stargate SG1 and as a result, lost against the elite 4 about 5 times in a row. Phail.
Also, Suicune and Heatran are my bane. I despise ye two.
 
I just used: Slowking!

With: Slack Off / Nasty Plot / Surf / Psychic. I boosted on all the E4's leads because they're setup fodder and I continued to OHKO everything. xD As long as I could hit it. Damn Double Team Umbreon.
 
i see that aero abandoned the arguement that i didnt say gardevoir was a good counter
btw griffon im saying that they're locked into using a fire move so i can use all the focus blasts i want because they are LOCKED into using flamethrower, heatwave, fire blast etc
today i used focus blast on a tyranitar on the switch and it ohko d it
also i test it out because them staying in using fire moves on a flash fire pokemon IS NOT smart so the possible common counters would be scizor or tyranitar (and some others but these are the ones we are discussing)
p2 cant learn disable
ill stay in on the switch to tyranitar because i have focus sash so ill have a chance to use focus blast unless it misses
but seriously whats the pokemon game without risk umm everytime you switch you take a risk ... maybe the person predicted it.... hypnosis is a risk it has horrible accuracy 2 yet ppl still have it on some pokemon
 
Umbreon has Double Team? I don't think I've ever seen her Umbreon use Double Team. I really hate it when it uses Curse though because I only battle with 4 pokemon and 3 of them are physical attackers. And oh, I despise the fact that I only have 2 of the stat-reducing berries on my game.

....we're talking about HG/SS Umbreon, right? Because I can't remember what pokemon are used in DPPt. Phail again!

Edit: Nick....when the smart battlers are locked into a move that the opponent take zero damage to, they switch pokemon. AKA Gardevoir is royally screwed. If the opponent does NOT switch, it either means they're about to lose anyways, you've Baton Passed a Mean Look, or that you're fighting a bad battler. The people you're currently arguing against are more likely to fall into category one than the other two unless you shape up.
 
NickofTime said:
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p2 cant learn disable
ill stay in on the switch to tyranitar because i have focus sash so ill have a chance to use focus blast unless it misses
but seriously whats the pokemon game without risk umm everytime you switch you take a risk ... maybe the person predicted it.... hypnosis is a risk it has horrible accuracy 2 yet ppl still have it on some pokemon
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Disable sucks lol... and recover is alot better of an option than disable.
If you use HP Fire does ass damage on Tyranitar lol. Rock resists fire.
Just because people use SD Empoleon doesn't make it good (trust me I tried it).
Also, you never answered my question, what Item is Gardevior holding?
 
NickofTime said:
i really dont know a lot about battling ( i lose a lot, im more of a collector)
but i have come to realize that a lot of teams use pre - ordained concepts on smogon and other such websites
and have found that a lot of my favorite pokemon can't be used because they dont have the type coverage and movepool that other diverse pokemon have
I miss being able to put a ursarang on my team also i hate seeing heatran i have to put a gardevoir on my team just to stop it
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I wonder why...OH SNAP!!!

Gardevoir is a good counter to Heatran. I said that. I also said that it's not good for anything else. Heatran is in no way centralized, and shouldn't be treated as such. Find another pokemon that can counter it just as effectively *cough* Vaporeon; Blissey *cough* and can do others jobs as well. That's all we're trying to say.

Plus: Recover >> Disable. Survivability >> disabling a pokemon that's going to switch out regardless.


@Griffin: Yeah, HGSS. First time through the E4, Karen's Umbreon has Double Team.
 
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