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[thomascallaghan]

No Stavross its not like that it's a lateral thinking one how can he get the hack checkt o come up clear you got it all wron -_-

 

[SCV058]

Off topic I believe there should be a revamp of the leagues around here. Too many leagues with not enough leaders or challengers.

 

[thomascallaghan]

Lol SCV lets get rid of ur league xP jk its one of the origonal ones but no-one plays Doubles and the people that do Are all leaders =/
Also All the OU ones are the Same ...
I feel we should maybe keep 1 Of the current Ones the Proper Wassits name one I cant remember it but it had one Heaven side One Hell Side and was meant to be PC's Best battlers and We should have one that groupes things together E.G. the UU leader the NU leader, the Mixed leader the Monotype leader ect ect
It would nullifie loads of leagues and therefore allow more challenges

 

[SCV058]

Lol SCV lets get rid of ur league xP jk its one of the origonal ones but no-one plays Doubles and the people that do Are all leaders =/
Also All the OU ones are the Same ...
I feel we should maybe keep 1 Of the current Ones the Proper Wassits name one I cant remember it but it had one Heaven side One Hell Side and was meant to be PC's Best battlers and We should have one that groupes things together E.G. the UU leader the NU leader, the Mixed leader the Monotype leader ect ect
It would nullifie loads of leagues and therefore allow more challenges

Okay if we're going to throw out names...
Battle Frontier and Underdog League = bye bye- most of their leaders are gone or highly inactive. At least KoF has active leaders. And the Official Thread has like four pages and no members yet..if you ask me that = spam thread = lock.

 

[Ooka]

And I leave you with a Lateral thinking question:
If it is Impossible to get a gluttony E-Speed Linoon. How can someone hack Check a Linoon show it has gluttony and Still prove it is Legit, Despite an E-Speed Gluttony linoon being Always Impossible withought Hacking?

Actually it's got quite a simple answer. (Although the method can prove difficult)

First, the person would get their Extremespeed Zigzagoon from Pokemon Box, then trade it over to Ruby / Sapphire / etc.. Now, when you Pal Park a Pokemon and then evolve it, the Pokemon has a 50% chance of switching natures, so in other words, when you Pal Parked it over, it would have one nature, and after you leveled it up and evolved it, the nature has a 1/2 chance of switching to Gluttony. Then you'd get Belly Drum on it and viola.

 

[thomascallaghan]

Actually it's got quite a simple answer. (Although the method can prove difficult)

First, the person would get their Extremespeed Zigzagoon from Pokemon Box, then trade it over to Ruby / Sapphire / etc.. Now, when you Pal Park a Pokemon and then evolve it, the Pokemon has a 50% chance of switching natures, so in other words, when you Pal Parked it over, it would have one nature, and after you leveled it up and evolved it, the nature has a 1/2 chance of switching to Gluttony. Then you'd get Belly Drum on it and viola.

Kinda But Saaaay The exact same question but the zigzagoon had just been hatched aswell xD
It's nothing to do with the methd but I dident know that I thought it was an illeagal Combo.

ut actually thats a good Answer but its lateral thinking there is a far FAR simpler way xP

 

[Ooka]

Well, I thought that Pokemon Box gave you the egg for Zigzagoon, but I dunno.

 

[thomascallaghan]

I swear the box one was shiny?
Oh well its just a weird little question I thought up it can work with any combo of illegal moves and Ability's

 

[Ooka]

So let me see if I understand your question completely. You want to know how people hack check Pokemon?

If so it's easy. You would just trade your Pokemon to their game (Which is on a Flash Cart such as an R4), they then open it up in Pokesav (Not just a Pokemon making program), and then go to the PID checking option. If the nature / IV's / Ability don't line up with the PID and RNG, then the Pokemon is hacked. :P

Now, on the contrary, people with this knowledge can easily hack a Pokemon that appears to have completely legit stats, in which case a hack check would prove useless. Honestly, if you look in the Discuss My Pokemon Thread in the Smogon forums, people are catching legit all 31 IV Pokemon now thanks to all the research Smogon did on calculating the exact second that a Pokemon will have perfect stats, so people then time their DS' right and get said Pokemon.

For Example: https://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2236127&postcount=54

All 31 IV's, and I've checked, it's a possible IV spread you just have to do your research first.

Wow, this has just become a rant, lol.

 

[.Aero]

As I said, there should still be an Uber tier, but they should also be grouped in with other Pokes since the other tiers are based off usage and most Ubers can be considered NU.
As far as OUs go, most are pretty good, but they go UU due to some having significant weaknesses, as well as many trainers considering them "too strong" for "real" competitive battling, much like the Uber class.

And if you don't understand yet why Smogon tiers are becoming inaccurate, you must not have read what I've said. To put it simply, Ubers need to be grouped like all other Pokes are, based on usage, but still have the stat-based Uber group. And OUs that have gone UU for a long time due in part to strength and due to them being classified as OUs, they should be considered UU. If there are tiers based on usage, they should be based on the usage of Pokes as it is NOW, not as it was in the past and usage tiers should include all 493 Pokemon, not just those that aren't considered Uber.

So you're saying since Arceus is never used, it should be NU and it'll just wreck havoc in the NU tier? ~_~ No offense, but that's the most retarded comment I have ever heard in my life. I may be misunderstanding you, but your comments are seriously conflicting and confusing me greatly.

Uber - Ban list for OU. Nothing more. It just has a metagame because there are so many of them.
OU - Overused, completely based on usage.
BL - Ban list for UU, includes pokemon that are underused, but deemed too powerful by smogon to actually be used in UU play. Doesn't have a metagame because they're so few of them.
UU - Underused. Completely usage based.
NU - Neverused. Completely usage based.

I dont think you really get it Smogon DO Teir all pokemon and Uber is a teir, NOT A ban list UNLESS your playing OU just the Same as BL is pokemon a bit too bad for OU a bit too good for UU.
The Usage only half makes the teirs thats why some of the less common UU/OU dont move down because they would dominate just as Ubers Are in loads of teams when they move down.

That's not true. Read what I wrote above.

 

[Ooka]

Aero hit it right on the head. All things listed there are how tiers are chosen, which is why Pokemon are generally only tested with going from OU to Uber and vice versa, because they are banned from OU, there is no other choice than to test them to come down for OU, or leave them there. A Pokemon cannot be banned and go to NU (As Aero said), because there is not a single Pokemon in NU that can beat Arceus (For example). Thus it couldn't be in NU at all. Let's say, hypothetically, that Arceus made it there, this is what would happen, everyone would use it, so it would be moved straight to OU, it would then overcentralize the metagame (If there are even OU Pokemon that can beat it), and would be banned to Uber. So yeah, knowing how tier lists are set up is essential to having conversations about them, so maybe read up before you start trying to tell people how it is. :P

 

[thomascallaghan]

That's not true. Read what I wrote above.

Youer better than me at this xD
Mine was mostley what i feel because alot of it is based upon the stats like I dont see staraptor played often i see more shuckle yet staraptor is BL and shuckle is NU because is staraptor was below shuckle it would be Used so much it would jump right into UU. (but you basically said that)
Also I feel that teir listings also create OU's and make them More OU. because there are some great okemon ou there Like just for an example Crobat which I have discovered can be great for Weather,Anti-lead,and even Physical bulk but My own creation the only EVER speedy Phaze technique. but ven with this versitility Great spped and access to good moves because it's in BL it gets almost no attention As People who like OU's just got for the standard Breloom,Blissey Scizor ect. and people against OU go look at me I have a UU so i deserve to win because i had alakazam and you had machamp (Sorry i really dont like people who say I only had 1 OU and you had 4 so I'm better).

but that was just a rant but it allows me to bring up another topic as this is near it's close.

What is peoples problems with OU if you make up your own new set? anyone who watchs Xen's video's knows that he developed a Specially defensive heatran that destroys scarftran and beats other walls with a Magma Storm Toxic Combo aswell as carrying Iorn defense to set up. but there are people who say oh thats OU so its cheap what do others feel on this because that realy annoys me

 

[PokemonLeagueChamp]

The thing about Arceus is that despite having the highest stats on any Pokemon, it's always only one type, so unlike other Ubers it can be brought down relatively easier by certain Pokemon whose types are supereffective on Arceus' type plate. With no plates, it's the only Normal-typed Legendary, and a good fighting move can hit it. Not to mention it's impossible to(legitimately)EV train an Arceus. What chance would it have?


All I know is before everyone(and I do mean EVERYONE)started using Smogon tiering as law, most battles I was in were riddled with Pokemon from every tier. Personally, I think battling like that took more strategy because you had to take into account the possibility that you'd face a Giratina(altered forme, this was the early DP age)after beating a Golem, and be ready for it. But now that literally everywhere has banned Ubers, as well as many people beginning to limit OUs, it takes some of that away, and as much as competitive battling is supposed to be the most complex thing in the universe, well if OUs get limited to where they're unused, well it'll gradually just be Pokes tossed into the field blasting each other as much as possible and hoping to win. That's just what I think, anyway.

 

[thomascallaghan]

The thing about Arceus is that despite having the highest stats on any Pokemon, it's always only one type, so unlike other Ubers it can be brought down relatively easier by certain Pokemon whose types are supereffective on Arceus' type plate. With no plates, it's the only Normal-typed Legendary, and a good fighting move can hit it. Not to mention it's impossible to(legitimately)EV train an Arceus. What chance would it have?


All I know is before everyone(and I do mean EVERYONE)started using Smogon tiering as law, most battles I was in were riddled with Pokemon from every tier. Personally, I think battling like that took more strategy because you had to take into account the possibility that you'd face a Giratina(altered forme, this was the early DP age)after beating a Golem, and be ready for it. But now that literally everywhere has banned Ubers, as well as many people beginning to limit OUs, it takes some of that away, and as much as competitive battling is supposed to be the most complex thing in the universe, well if OUs get limited to where they're unused, well it'll gradually just be Pokes tossed into the field blasting each other as much as possible and hoping to win. That's just what I think, anyway.

The Point of teiring add's More strategy how can you use a Stantler if someone can just Carry Palkia,Dialga,Mewtwo,Mew,Darkrai and Lugia?
Thats why teiring was introduced everyone just used Ubers and there was no strategy.
If you want to battle like that be my guest play oin Uber teir =/

 

[PokemonLeagueChamp]

Well where's tiering got us? Those who battled with all Ubers just fill their teams with hacks and claim they're legit.
I'm not sayin full-on Uber smackdowns are the way to go, but maybe a limit like one or two Ubers, minimally EVd, per team.

 

[No you fail]

The thing about Arceus is that despite having the highest stats on any Pokemon, it's always only one type, so unlike other Ubers it can be brought down relatively easier by certain Pokemon whose types are supereffective on Arceus' type plate. With no plates, it's the only Normal-typed Legendary, and a good fighting move can hit it. Not to mention it's impossible to(legitimately)EV train an Arceus. What chance would it have?


All I know is before everyone(and I do mean EVERYONE)started using Smogon tiering as law, most battles I was in were riddled with Pokemon from every tier. Personally, I think battling like that took more strategy because you had to take into account the possibility that you'd face a Giratina(altered forme, this was the early DP age)after beating a Golem, and be ready for it. But now that literally everywhere has banned Ubers, as well as many people beginning to limit OUs, it takes some of that away, and as much as competitive battling is supposed to be the most complex thing in the universe, well if OUs get limited to where they're unused, well it'll gradually just be Pokes tossed into the field blasting each other as much as possible and hoping to win. That's just what I think, anyway.

Just figured I would mention it IS possible to EV train any pokemon even if they are level 100 to start with it just takes a lot more time. First, you would stock said pokemon with vitamins and battle the pokemon you would normally battle to get EV's. Second, you put it in your party and deposoit it into your PC and then take it out and when you do this said pokemon will gain 1 point in the stats you trained it in. Finally, repeat until all your EV's are accounted for.

I would reccomend not saying things like that without knowing that it's true.

 

[PokemonLeagueChamp]

Well IDK that's what someone told me and since I don't spend all my time on Serebii, Bulbapedia, and Smogon, so I just assumed it to be true because on what little I know on EVing, it usually involves getting EPs and leveling to get the stat gain. So you can understand why I'd assume you can't do that at LVL 100.

 

[.Aero]

Well where's tiering got us? Those who battled with all Ubers just fill their teams with hacks and claim they're legit.
I'm not sayin full-on Uber smackdowns are the way to go, but maybe a limit like one or two Ubers, minimally EVd, per team.

You speak of teiring as if it hasn't always been around. :( It's been around a lot longer than D/P, I believe it arose around the time RSE did. Perhaps even early on in the GSC. This is because there were online battle programs, such as netbattles and shoddybattle. :/ Smogon's usage stats come from their own server on shoddy, which has around 300+ people on it at a time. So you could expect that most people who play shoddy are having their pokemon uses accounted for.

And the fact that you even say that Arceus can be "easily" brought down makes me laugh so hard. xD 120 base in everything is monstrous, paired on the fact that he can have any type as well as having a rather large movepool, and Judgement makes him too powerful even for Ubers. In fact, he is too powerful for ubers, and it banned from Uber play as well.

If tiering was removed, believe me, there would be tons of Palkia, Kyogre, Manaphy combos out there. It wouldn't be any fun to actually play unless you bring in your own ubers to counter them. :/ Tiering offers a "benefit-of-the-doubt" type thing where you're both not allowed to use overpowered pokemon. I creates a balanced playing field that shows off skill rather than "WHO HAS THE BESTEST MOST POWERFUL POGEYM!N?"

In my own opinion and views, I think how good you are at battling comes from a few things:
- Team Creation - In other words, how well you can make a balanced out team that has synergy.
- Prediction - Major point in battles that can be predicted to counter the opponents original plans.
- Tactics - Using the most of your pokemon's movesets to accomplish a task. Aka, stall, you'll want to use all your hazards, and when the opponent gets a RS-er in there, you'll want to switch to a Rapid Spin Blocker.

EDIT: Whoa...this topic has gone rather far actually. ;o; I'm sad to see this. I should probably stop fueling it. xD

 

[thomascallaghan]

Just figured I would mention it IS possible to EV train any pokemon even if they are level 100 to start with it just takes a lot more time. First, you would stock said pokemon with vitamins and battle the pokemon you would normally battle to get EV's. Second, you put it in your party and deposoit it into your PC and then take it out and when you do this said pokemon will gain 1 point in the stats you trained it in. Finally, repeat until all your EV's are accounted for.

I would reccomend not saying things like that without knowing that it's true.

w00t I dident know this.

And Even limiting to 1 Or 2 Uber's would Force OU's into play as people running UU's/NU's would get asswhooped by The Sheer Powers of the UBers =/

 

[dr4g0n12]

The thing about Arceus is that despite having the highest stats on any Pokemon, it's always only one type, so unlike other Ubers it can be brought down relatively easier by certain Pokemon whose types are supereffective on Arceus' type plate. With no plates, it's the only Normal-typed Legendary, and a good fighting move can hit it. Not to mention it's impossible to(legitimately)EV train an Arceus. What chance would it have?


All I know is before everyone(and I do mean EVERYONE)started using Smogon tiering as law, most battles I was in were riddled with Pokemon from every tier. Personally, I think battling like that took more strategy because you had to take into account the possibility that you'd face a Giratina(altered forme, this was the early DP age)after beating a Golem, and be ready for it. But now that literally everywhere has banned Ubers, as well as many people beginning to limit OUs, it takes some of that away, and as much as competitive battling is supposed to be the most complex thing in the universe, well if OUs get limited to where they're unused, well it'll gradually just be Pokes tossed into the field blasting each other as much as possible and hoping to win. That's just what I think, anyway.

the way things are going, in a few years people will think that ou battling is for noobs (not a good thing)