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5th Gen Beyond Arceus

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The S said:
lol, people are squabbling whether Arceus is ultimately God, if He created the universe or not...

It's just like real life.


Aw, I find that kind of sad. I think it's cool because he's based on the qilin.

Also: Just because I thought it fit into this topic for some reason:

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I wonder why he seems to need the Unown to make them though?
 
I'm actually against the idea that Arceus created the universe, especially since the Canalave Library book that involves Arceus says that there was a chaos that its egg was in. I'm pretty sure Arceus must have dispelled the chaos or something, because something had to create that before Arceus even came along. Also, remember that it might just be part of the Sinnoh people's myths, not actually what happened.
 
Zaroas said:
I'm actually against the idea that Arceus created the universe, especially since the Canalave Library book that involves Arceus says that there was a chaos that its egg was in. I'm pretty sure Arceus must have dispelled the chaos or something, because something had to create that before Arceus even came along. Also, remember that it might just be part of the Sinnoh people's myths, not actually what happened.
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He was probably made by something or a collision in space. :l
 
Magmaruby and Aquasapphire said:
I wonder why he seems to need the Unown to make them though?
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The answer here is simple. He/She/It doesn't need the Unown, they are just attracted to powers beyond understanding. This is also a reason they appeared during Dialga's and Palkia's cataclysmic battle. They also appeared while Memory Entei was attacking Ash and his friends(iirc).


Anything I just said up there is completebullshi- and I made it up on the spot. We all know Smeargle created the Universe by painting it :/
 
Well maybe Arceus created "this" universe and these legendaries are a part of a different universe that has just come to Earth? Similar to Deoxys basically...

And there have always been some overlap, like Lugia was the Guardian of the Seas and then Kyogre became the true leader of the water. And also Ho-Oh created the three legendary dogs and Mew "created" Mewtwo but yet Arceus technically created all pokemon.

So there are overlap and they will probably just ignore it. Or they'll keep Arceus as the strongest and just introduce other legendaries who have their role in their regions, but not as big of a role as the big four: Arceus, Dialga, Giratina, Palkia
 
Charizard★ said:
He was probably made by something or a collision in space. :l
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What would have collided in space, and what is 'something' supposed to be? That was kind of contradictory to what you said before, because you said that it would be stupid if something was bigger that Arceus because Arceus created the universe. But here you're saying that something made Arceus or a collision in space created Arceus, which in turn created the universe. Just doesn't make sense to me.
 
psychicboy said:
The answer here is simple. He/She/It doesn't need the Unown, they are just attracted to powers beyond understanding. This is also a reason they appeared during Dialga's and Palkia's cataclysmic battle. They also appeared while Memory Entei was attacking Ash and his friends(iirc).
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I never thought of it that way. Nice answer.
 
Guys, this thread is so off-topic, it's ridiculous.
We're supposed to be talking about possible new legends, not speculating over how Arceus works.
 
Back on topic (I suggest heading on over to Pokemon General and re-purposing this there), who said we have to go beyond Arceus? Just make new legendaries. Zek/Reshi's symbolism beyond Yin/Yang is as-of-yet unrevealed. Who says they have to be part of something bigger than Arceus?
It's like saying Pokemon look like Digimon. =/
 
The interesting thing is that I read that Yin and Yang were created by Pangu...which Arceus is based on...so did Arceus maybe create Rashiram and Zekrom too and maybe Latias and Latios :o!
I don't think we will ever have something beyond Arceus...I think they will most likely just give it stronger formes if they want to make a stronger Arceus...
 
Zaroas said:
I'm actually against the idea that Arceus created the universe, especially since the Canalave Library book that involves Arceus says that there was a chaos that its egg was in. I'm pretty sure Arceus must have dispelled the chaos or something, because something had to create that before Arceus even came along. Also, remember that it might just be part of the Sinnoh people's myths, not actually what happened.
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Well, in many real world myths, there was chaos or some sort of primordial void prior to any creator deities, and the deity(ies) was/were spawned within it. The same could hold true with Arceus.

Åzurε said:
Back on topic (I suggest heading on over to Pokemon General and re-purposing this there), who said we have to go beyond Arceus? Just make new legendaries. Zek/Reshi's symbolism beyond Yin/Yang is as-of-yet unrevealed. Who says they have to be part of something bigger than Arceus?
It's like saying Pokemon look like Digimon. =/
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The idea wasn't that the new version mascots were supposed to be bigger than Arceus, but that some other Legend beyond them, possibly as an event Pokémon, would be, since the games have a history of one-upping its previous version's Legends.
 
Yeah you guys are getting a bit off-topic, which is where I see this thread going. As Åzurε said, I think this thread would be better suited to Pokemon General (where you'll have more freedom to discuss this, as in, being allowed to discuss Arceus as a whole, in comparison to here, where you can't), rather than here, because yes, you are speculating on future legendaries, however, with a topic like this, it's easy to get off-topic and start discussing Arceus as a whole instead of legendaries.

If you'd like to continue this discussion, you could discuss it in Pokemon General, in the third game legendary thread (although I'm not suggesting that something after Arceus would be in the third game, but, you never know), or more specifically, the legendaries discussion thread, where you are free to speculate on new legendaries, too.

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