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Capital Punishment?

Resorting to ad hominem attacks already? Why?
 
Archon said:
Resorting to ad hominem attacks already? Why?
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Because I deem them important to illustrate your lack of intelligence (which alone nullifies most of your points), stupid idealogy and your completely inhumane attitudes?
You resorted to attacking millions of people in your first post on this thread.
 
Archon said:
Why do socialists attempt to repress those who don't buy into their ideology? I honestly don't get it.
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Only bad idealogies are repressed.


I have never seen a 'good' idealogy that encourages mass murder.

Yours is not good.. Yours is psychopathic. Nor can I imagine anyone sane agreeing with you.



Edit: Amachi- meh fine.. I'll try not to stray off-topic here ¬_¬
Though in my defence, he started it and it's hard to not respond/question/bash such an inhumane & sociopathic attitude.
 
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The posts as of late have strayed from the topic of Capital Punishment, and hence needs to return to it immediately. Any further off topic discussion in this thread will lead to the issue of infractions.
 
Archon said:
Ron Paul earlier in this thread agreed me, However he goes further than I would.
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To be honest you're as bad as each other. The idea of factoring in social class to punishment is obscene. Jaimes has illustrated this point far better than I can, but resorting to shifting the attention is plain cowardly. Your arguaments are incomplete, mostly because you haven't thought them out past the point of "poor people should die"
 
MissMegano said:
-A vast majority of executed criminals were poor. About 90% could not afford a lawyer and had to rely on one appointed by the court.
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..... That is offensive to public defenders everywhere *coughmymomcough* Also that doesn't necessarily mean that it's the lawyers fault. Most people actually did do the stuff. I've been with my mom to court millions of times and most people there are poor. They grew up around things like drugs and crap so they don't think it is that bad. Basic psychology actually. Like how racists grew up with people telling them that black people are bad. This case it's drugs are not bad. Lots of them have mental problems.

Anyway, I liked the whole code of Babylon with the whole eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth thing. I think if you kill someone you should die, but only if it can be totally proven, if it can't than I'm not sure. It depends on what degree too. 3rd defentiallyl should be punished. Self-defense should be allowed. I SUPPORT the death sentence.

It's sad though, in Tennessee the jails have become the mental hospitals. No one is funding them and they lowered the level of mentally handicapped you have to be to get in, because of a certain murderer that got out of the death sentence for that reason.
 
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It's really hard to say because there are so many cases out there with so many factors, I can't say whether I'm for it or against it. I just want people to get what they deserve, but the only person that knows what happened was the criminal, and let's face it. People lie.

Therefore, I have no opinion on the matter :[
 
I dont think people deserve the death sentence, even if he is guilty of doing something, it wont change anything. Plus I reckon living in jail for your whole life would be even worse. Take Salvador Puig Antich for example, he didnt deserve the death penalty, but Franco wanted to show people that if they do the same the same will happen to them.

The death penalty is really a stupid thing. Someone gets killed for killing other people, and then he gets sentenced to death? Maybe the person that did the job should get killed aswell? Its just my opinion :S.
 
Midnight Beat said:
I am 100% for capital punishment. If there is someone sick and disturbed enough to try to/succeed in taking human life, then why should they be allowed to continue their own. They shouldn't, and concerning the whole "new evidence" issue, the accused are put on death row for extended periods of time, giving them the chance to appeal, and for the potential for new evidence to arise. And chances are, if new evidence is discovered after the sentence(s) are given, than a mistrial is probably not far behind it.
One also has to consider what capital punishment takes away though. The crime has to be strictly examined to make sure that what this person has done is worth stripping their life for.
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I agree totally with you. Why should someone else die for what you did and you shouldn't die?

I couldn't be bothered to write out what was in my mind :D
 
Allstories said:
Tough call. The main problem is that for some criminals, just flat out killing them would be letting them off easy.
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That's pretty much my entire view on it. The Death Penalty is NOT a punishment. There's a reason that the suicide rate in prison is so high, and that's because they can't hack the long sentences. The death penalty may rid our life of these particular criminals, but it sure doesn't act as a deterant.

If I were criminally minded, I wouldn't think twice about killing someone if I knew my life would be ended, it's like getting a game over in GTA. But the thought of the rest of my life behind bars scares the **** out of me.
 
I can't really see the death penalty as a suitable punishment for any crime. In some cases... it would be too soft.

Personal bias comes in to this, admittedly... but I can't imagine stooping to the level of a murderer. Death will come to them naturally anyway. Let them stew a while first... let nature take its course.

There can often be times when the death penalty is issued only for the criminal to be proven innocent after death. It happens, not all the time, but it happens.
 
I think if people are facing a prison sentence, they should have the option of a death sentence instead. I would prefer death over prison, plus if I really did commit a "horrible crime" I would no longer be able to commit any more.

I think it depends on your views of afterlife though, whether you believe in the Christian "Hell" or equivalent.

I'm guessing alot of people who believe in some sort of torturous afterlife would pick prison so that they can say that they've been punished etc and not go to Hell (which they think will be worse than prison).

Alot of people who believe death means your just dead, no afterlife, might think that prison is a far worse punishment.
 
Black_Phantom said:
I think if people are facing a prison sentence, they should have the option of a death sentence instead.
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The idea of incarceration is that you don't have a choice in the matter. But yeah, that's your opinion i suppose.

Life imprisonment is fine for a lot of cases, but it is not a substitution for capital punishment. While the arguament about how they could not stand to be locked away forever is valid, a contrast is also possible. The thought that they are not going to die immediately may give them hope, something to live for, which is kinda the opposite of the original objective. Also, however unlikely, the chance of escape at some point is something that cannot be risked in the case of serial rapists and mass murderers. Finally, without sounding too much like the nazi archon, it costs a lot to harbour a criminal for their entire life, especially those who need to be kept under special circumstances. Sometimes it is just better to rid society of them.
 
The death penalty is terrible and needs to be outlawed. It is medieval. A simple exercise in common sense shows how the death penalty is unnecessary and wrong. It's not unheard of for a person to be convicted and found guilty of a heinous crime, but then new evidence surfaces years later that throws doubt on the verdict or even destroys any chance that the defendant was the perpetrator. If this happens to someone who has been killed as a result of the death penalty, there isn't much left to do except go 'Um.. Oops.'. There is no point in killing the defendant when imprisonment is an option.
 
INFOWARRIOR56 said:
The death penalty is terrible and needs to be outlawed. It is medieval. A simple exercise in common sense shows how the death penalty is unnecessary and wrong. It's not unheard of for a person to be convicted and found guilty of a heinous crime, but then new evidence surfaces years later that throws doubt on the verdict or even destroys any chance that the defendant was the perpetrator. If this happens to someone who has been killed as a result of the death penalty, there isn't much left to do except go 'Um.. Oops.'. There is no point in killing the defendant when imprisonment is an option.
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How would you deal with overcrowding then?
 
Heatran said:
How would you deal with overcrowding then?
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As of April 2008, there have been 1,099 executions in the United States since 1976. There aren't many executions, so overcrowding wouldn't be a problem.
 
INFOWARRIOR56 said:
As of April 2008, there have been 1,099 executions in the United States since 1976. There aren't many executions, so overcrowding wouldn't be a problem.
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Let me ask you this, why should a person who has killed another person have the right to live any longer? What would a proper punishment be? What makes you think that particular punishment would work.

I remind you, that Prisons are supposed to Punish, not just reform, if at all.

In my opinion, you can never really understand what it feels like to have someone you know and love killed in cold blood. My cousin was stabbed in the stomach and died by some punk when he tried to save this guy from being mugged.
 
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