Capital Punishment?

[INFOWARRIOR56]

Let me ask you this, why should a person who has killed another person have the right to live any longer? What would a proper punishment be? What makes you think that particular punishment would work.

I remind you, that Prisons are supposed to Punish, not just reform, if at all.

In my opinion, you can never really understand what it feels like to have someone you know and love killed in cold blood. My cousin was stabbed in the stomach and died by some punk when he tried to save this guy from being mugged.

The thing is, it is not unheard of for someone to be accused of a crime and serve time, only to have new evidence proving their innocence surface later. In a scenario where someone is killed or many people are killed by one guy, is it not better to imprison the perpetrator, as new evidence could later surface that proved their innocence? Or perhaps it later turns out that the crime was a conspiracy and the defendant did not play as big a role in it as they accused him of?

Since there is always a chance that the court missed something, the death penalty is wrong.

 

[Virtual Chatot]

The thing is, it is not unheard of for someone to be accused of a crime and serve time, only to have new evidence proving their innocence surface later. In a scenario where someone is killed or many people are killed by one guy, is it not better to imprison the perpetrator, as new evidence could later surface that proved their innocence? Or perhaps it later turns out that the crime was a conspiracy and the defendant did not play as big a role in it as they accused him of?

Since there is always a chance that the court missed something, the death penalty is wrong.

I disagree with you about the blame. It is the courts that are flawed, not the punishments.

 

[Marksman]

I'm doing this in Citizenship. Anyways, I think it's one way to put a clamp on Crime and determine the Guilty from the Innocent. However, the Relatives of the Criminal would be facing Grief. What's more, I think there's a better Solution without needing Blood Shed.
*Bleeds Self*
OW! I---mmm...A+ Blood. Sorry about that. I just don't like to let my Blood leave my Body or Sight.

:t152:

 

[El Gofre]

I've just finished compulsory education in britain, and I'm afraid to say that citizenship will give you a very limited insight to how this country needs it. They have to remain politically correct and as such do not offer multiple arguaments. The whole concept of the subject was a joke tbh.

 

[Legobricks]

Stalin once said, "Death solves all problems — no man, no problem."

Simple: execute murderers and such, and you don't have to worry about them escaping, their sentence perhaps ending, clothing them, feeding them, and even keeping a space in prison open for them anyway. Other people who have committed petty crimes can be left in custody for some time as is standard.
If it's an easy way out for them, they must be the deranged sorts, so are better culled anyway.

Of course, having said that, the court or equivilent would need to be undisputably sure that that person had committed the crime at hand.

 

[Storm-DC]

Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast The First Stone

 

[INFOWARRIOR56]

Stalin once said, "Death solves all problems — no man, no problem."

Simple: execute murderers and such, and you don't have to worry about them escaping, their sentence perhaps ending, clothing them, feeding them, and even keeping a space in prison open for them anyway. Other people who have committed petty crimes can be left in custody for some time as is standard.
If it's an easy way out for them, they must be the deranged sorts, so are better culled anyway.

Of course, having said that, the court or equivilent would need to be undisputably sure that that person had committed the crime at hand.

The problem is, you execute Joe Schmoe for murdering Sam Blappers, and then overwhelming evidence surfaces showing that Schmoe was framed by someone else, or played a more minor role in a conspiracy against Blappers. Then everyone just goes 'Oops'. There is no point in killing a person when it is not unheard of for the court to later turn out to be wrong. When imprisonment is an option, execution is not needed.

Also, just make it so prison security doesn't suck. That solves the escaping problem.

 

[El Gofre]

Of course, having said that, the court or equivilent would need to be undisputably sure that that person had committed the crime at hand.

That solves your "oops" predicament. And as good as prison security is, you can never garrentee that they wont escape. Attempts can also endanger those who get in their way

 

[INFOWARRIOR56]

That solves your "oops" predicament. And as good as prison security is, you can never garrentee that they wont escape. Attempts can also endanger those who get in their way

It does not. Even if you have indisputable evidence proving the involvement of someone, what if evidence surfaces later proving the crime to be a conspiracy, and showing clearly that the defendant did not play as big a role as they thought, or he was a patsy for a person or persons unknown.

Also, the only people who should be in their way while they are trying to get out of the prison are the prison guards, and dealing with that kind of thing is their jobs. They accept the risks when they become prison guards.

 

[Storm-DC]

Wow, in Budapest I met this American guy last year and he also had some really strange arguments in certain discussions, just like Gofre about the prison guards. There really are big differences in the way the general American thinks and the general European thinks, never realised that a christian nation could wind itself up in so much strange positions to keep on telling itself death penalty can be a good thing. I mean; there are so many different ways why people killed others, some had a reason, some were out of their minds, etc. Every case needs its own judgement. Anyway, i won't get into this actually, but why does someone who kills his neighbour get capital punishment and a president that killed ten thousands of innocent iraqi's get honoured?

 

[El Gofre]

It does not. Even if you have indisputable evidence proving the involvement of someone, what if evidence surfaces later proving the crime to be a conspiracy, and showing clearly that the defendant did not play as big a role as they thought, or he was a patsy for a person or persons unknown.
Fair enough.

Also, the only people who should be in their way while they are trying to get out of the prison are the prison guards, and dealing with that kind of thing is their jobs. They accept the risks when they become prison guards.

That second point I disagree with. There's a difference between should and could. People who could get in the way include:
-Other prisoners. As you said, some may be falsely accused or only in for petty crimes like stealing as a teen or whilst homeless.
-Visiting families and children
-Medical, mechanical or administrative staff

Escape plans are not predictable, and nobody knows who could get in the way. None of the above deserve to be inbetween someone helbent on escaping from prison and their way out.

 

[INFOWARRIOR56]

That second point I disagree with. There's a difference between should and could. People who could get in the way include:
-Other prisoners. As you said, some may be falsely accused or only in for petty crimes like stealing as a teen or whilst homeless.
-Visiting families and children
-Medical, mechanical or administrative staff

Escape plans are not predictable, and nobody knows who could get in the way. None of the above deserve to be inbetween someone helbent on escaping from prison and their way out.

Yeah, you've got a point there. Agreed.

 

[LipstickTraces]

capital punishment really is a touchy subject. i am aware it is active in america, but but here in england we dont have it. i guess that its the last alternative to putting an end to a problem. whoever the person is, if they are too much of a problem and are causing more harm than needed, then yes im for it. but i personally dont like people dying either way, so i would say im against it. however, its needed in some cases it seems.

 

[Firebird306]

If there is 100% rock solid evidence that someone has committed a highly inhumane act I believe they should be executed. Personally I feel they don't have the right to be trialled as a human if they are going to commit acts that aren't human.

I once heard a story of a guy (don't know if it's true, if not kick the news XD) who was on death row and went insane after 20 years awaiting his fate. Because of his suffering the government released him. Why should they have that right? If he went insane then that's his problem and didn't deserve a release.

In Australia we don't have capital punishment so... :\

 

[El Gofre]

If there is 100% rock solid evidence that someone has committed a highly inhumane act I believe they should be executed. Personally I feel they don't have the right to be trialled as a human if they are going to commit acts that aren't human.

I once heard a story of a guy (don't know if it's true, if not kick the news XD) who was on death row and went insane after 20 years awaiting his fate. Because of his suffering the government released him. Why should they have that right? If he went insane then that's his problem and didn't deserve a release.

In Australia we don't have capital punishment so... :\

I think you've misinterperated the story. If he has been declared clinically insane he was most likely moved to a mental institution. Perhaps they hadnt executed him because he was suffering enough- The loss of ones sanity could be deemed as bad as losing your life, I myself deem it worse.

 

[LipstickTraces]

I think you've misinterperated the story. If he has been declared clinically insane he was most likely moved to a mental institution. Perhaps they hadnt executed him because he was suffering enough- The loss of ones sanity could be deemed as bad as losing your life, I myself deem it worse.

this is true, long suffering is far worse than ending a life. so surley he deserves to lose his sanity as a result of his deeds, and surley he will learn his lesson.

but for population protections sake, capital punishment makes more room for law abiding citizens. lol

 

[Stalin Malone]

How would you deal with overcrowding then?

End backwards sin laws(war on drugs, bans on gambling, bans on prostitution, bans on pron, high drinking ages, restrictions on smoking) to clear out a large amount of space in prisons.

 

[El Gofre]

End backwards sin laws(
war on drugs,
Yeah, lets make the use of dangerous drugs legal!
bans on gambling,
I myself am 16 and play cash poker regularly. I know that if I was let into a casino I would lose hundreds of pounds very quickly. I don't think it's wise to let children spend money on an industry where they can easily be taken advantage of.
bans on prostitution,
It's a dangerous business, the laws are fine. The organised side may seem safe but there is a far larger industry filled with desperate men and women selling themselves in potentially dangerous situations.
bans on pron,
This is open to opinion. I am not religious but i still believe it is an extremely immoral industry. Besides, most porn crime is aimed at large industries and settled with massive fines rather than prison sentences.
high drinking ages, restrictions on smoking)
Both of these laws are perfectly fine. I know many people who smoke and drink simply because i can. I myself do the latter. Offering these potentially lethal passtimes to anyone is completely laughable.
to clear out a large amount of space in prisons.

So basically, you'd empty prisons by getting rid of laws? Besides, going by your views space would be filled up faster than it was created.

 

[Shadowed Fate]

I'm totally against Capital Punishment. We live in a Democracy, not in a Dictatorship like Saudia Arabia, or Iran...

Many countries have almost abolished/made it a rarest-of-the-rare-case punishment. I don't get why US still has it.

And ironically, even after Arnie became the Texan governor and everyone expected the pardons to increase...it has the highest rates of execution. =.=

 

[El Gofre]

I'm totally against Capital Punishment. We live in a Democracy, not in a Dictatorship like Saudia Arabia, or Iran...

Many countries have almost abolished/made it a rarest-of-the-rare-case punishment. I don't get why US still has it.

And ironically, even after Arnie became the Texan governor and everyone expected the pardons to increase...it has the highest rates of execution. =.=

I fail to see how the introduction of capital punishment creates a dictatorship. So long as it is reserved for suitable crimes, the death sentence would not inspire fear into the entire populace or demand absolute obidience.

Oh, and arnie is the governer of california :S


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