Congress declares pizza to be a vegetable

isn't it ironic?

I see... Congress is about to declare pizza a "vegetable", yet the USDA wants to ban potatoes altogether from school lunches! No wonder we're losing the war on obesity!
Nearly every effort undertaken in this war (such as banning trans fats, and greatly restricting (to the point of outlawing) non-E/I children's programming and children's product advertising on commercial broadcast (free, over the air) television) has failed to lower obesity rates.
 
If the kids aren't eating unhealthy junk food at school, then they are eating it at home.

Edit - My school sold icecream and rice krispie treats at lunch. Guess what my lunch was? Yep. Those + apple + coke zero.
 
Toujours said:

This is why I'm saying the title is misleading, doesn't mean discussion is over because you can debunk the title that isn't what the issue is about. The article says:
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And my point is that there is no point to argue about semantics. They're set for us. Pizza is essentially defined as a dish, and it is therefore more important to debate how that dish should be prepared than the actual dish itself. I don't see why you decided to argue this.

This thread is turning into the equivalent of "Let's ban all chicken because fried chicken nuggets in MSG is unhealthy" instead of the fact that if the government wants to move forward, they need to set a nutrition code for all DISHES in their cafeteria, leave it as it is now and concentrate on other matters, or resort to vitamin-packed gruel.

There's no point to discuss what toppings are better than others (vegetables or no vegetables) but rather, how those toppings are prepared.


Otherwise, yeah. Let's grab a piece of flatbread, deep fry some vegetables like broccoli in COLD-THEN-HOT oil so that the vegetables suck up all that oil, bake it all together, and then spread 10 pounds of avocado on it. Sure, it's essentially a pizza with a ton of vegetables, but it's not going to be healthy for you.
 
I've tried deep fried broccoli. Tasted like crap imo. Oven roasted broccoli is better. (Oven roast any vegetable and they will taste good imo.)

Well, healthy or not the odds are that the school cafeteria will turn good tasting food into something to bad tasting that cardboard would taste better.
 
Kura said:
And my point is that there is no point to argue about semantics. They're set for us. Pizza is essentially defined as a dish, and it is therefore more important to debate how that dish should be prepared than the actual dish itself. I don't see why you decided to argue this.

This thread is turning into the equivalent of "Let's ban all chicken because fried chicken nuggets in MSG is unhealthy" instead of the fact that if the government wants to move forward, they need to set a nutrition code for all DISHES in their cafeteria, leave it as it is now, or resort to vitamin-packed gruel.

There's no point to discuss what toppings are better than others (vegetables or no vegetables) but rather, how those toppings are prepared.


Otherwise, yeah. Let's grab a piece of flatbread, deep fry some vegetables like broccoli in COLD-THEN-HOT oil so that the vegetables suck up all that oil, bake it all together, and then spread 10 pounds of avocado on it. Sure, it's essentially a pizza with a ton of vegetables, but it's not going to be healthy for you.
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So when you said no one should talk about it anymore, you meant whether or not pizza is a vegetable? Based on the aggressive way you posted it definitely made it sound like you were saying no one should discuss the bill or post in the thread because you solved the problem with size 7 words. :x if it was just about that then I understand better now.

By the way, a much more informative article on the topic.
 
Toujours said:


So when you said no one should talk about it anymore, you meant whether or not pizza is a vegetable? Based on the aggressive way you posted it definitely made it sound like you were saying no one should discuss the bill or post in the thread because you solved the problem with size 7 words. :x if it was just about that then I understand better now.

By the way, a much more informative article on the topic.
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How was I aggressive? I just posted some links to the definitions to address the title of the thread and stated that the line of debate for that is essentially rendered useless since it has already been set by us with the English language and history. There is no point to continue that specific line of discussion because it isn't a matter of opinion, it is fact. That line of discussion should be over; it's proven.

I do not appreciate how you are writing that "It made you sound ___" about me. I feel that you are reading that I have some sort of ulterior motives in my posts which are not there. I have not dissed anyone in this thread, I have not addressed anyone in my posts. I have linked with sources and with fact.

So what if I don't have standard formatting in my posts? Yeah, I made some stuff size seven, so what about it? A bigger size doesn't mean anything other than emphasis on my point; my point being fact (that I've backed up with sources.) I don't see why this would provoke anyone.

I would appreciate it, next time, if you would not assume that there are malicious undertones in my posts. I didn't "make anything sound like anything." My post was to the point, however, I did not say anything about discouraging talk about how congress should handle school cafeterias and/or food preparation.

For now, I am actually pretty troubled with how difficult it is to merely be informative to the rest of the thread, and therefore, I am discouraged from visiting here again. I will not post about this further, so do not expect a response from me regarding this. I believe I've said all I must on the matter, anyways.

I'm out~
 
I don't think that pizza should be taken off the lunch menu, however, it is kinda wasteful for a government to be using money toward constructing guidelines about school lunch nutrition, especially when it is faulty information being used. I think that schools should not have to worry too much about nutrition of the lunches, more so, the schools need to make sure that their lunches are cost effective. Nutrition mandates only create fiscal issues for school, and hardly achieve any success. Health Class is the place where children should be educated about nutrition so that they can make their own decisions in the future, rather than giving them a slice of pizza and saying "it's technically a vegetable". Also, tomatoes=fruit. lmao
 
-ty- said:
I don't think that pizza should be taken off the lunch menu, however, it is kinda wasteful for a government to be using money toward constructing guidelines about school lunch nutrition, especially when it is faulty information being used. I think that schools should not have to worry too much about nutrition of the lunches, more so, the schools need to make sure that their lunches are cost effective. Nutrition mandates only create fiscal issues for school, and hardly achieve any success. Health Class is the place where children should be educated about nutrition so that they can make their own decisions in the future, rather than giving them a slice of pizza and saying "it's technically a vegetable". Also, tomatoes=fruit. lmao
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I agree with you entirely, but this move was actually done to allow cheap pizza to remain on the menu.
 
Modifications to school lunch programs might be blocked. If Congressional votes take effect, these changes could possibly be dead on arrival. School lunches are presently governed by the United States Department of Agriculture. However, regulations allow for French fries and pizza to be counted as veggies.
 
-ty- said:
I don't think that pizza should be taken off the lunch menu, however, it is kinda wasteful for a government to be using money toward constructing guidelines about school lunch nutrition, especially when it is faulty information being used. I think that schools should not have to worry too much about nutrition of the lunches, more so, the schools need to make sure that their lunches are cost effective. Nutrition mandates only create fiscal issues for school, and hardly achieve any success. Health Class is the place where children should be educated about nutrition so that they can make their own decisions in the future, rather than giving them a slice of pizza and saying "it's technically a vegetable". Also, tomatoes=fruit. lmao
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I'd rather that they did worry about nutrition, looking at the obesity epidemic in the country right now. An adult life full of healthcare bills and expensive medications costs more than a school lunch.
 
kashuB said:
Modifications to school lunch programs might be blocked. If Congressional votes take effect, these changes could possibly be dead on arrival. School lunches are presently governed by the United States Department of Agriculture. However, regulations allow for French fries and pizza to be counted as veggies.
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Congressional legislation has supremacy over regulations.
 
In the computer world, this is what is known as a "reality distortion field."

I have no faith left in the government.
 
Toujours said:
The tomato sauce itself is considered to contain enough vegetables to justify keeping pizza. The point is that because that has a vegetable in it, it can still be served. We all know pizza itself is not a vegetable. I'm actually a little confused as to why you feel the need to tell people that you can't grow a pizza though. Do you really believe people don't know that?
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*thinks*

I can't think of vegetables that would be in the pizza sauce. Salt, pepper, some herbs, and tomato - which is a fruit.
 
In a world where everyone and their uncle thinks they know everything to know about the human diet it's terrifying that the government is trying to ban foods from their school lunches.

That is to say, I question how much any of these people even know about diets. Furthermore I certainly wouldn't want /my/ kids following the diet of some stranger from the government.
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...e-not-exactly/2011/11/20/gIQABXgmhN_blog.html

Just clarifying, they didn't declare pizza a vegetable. They stopped a change in policy in how they counted tomato paste in nutritional statistics at school. Given its involvement with pizza, the change could have stopped a number of less healthy pizzas (maybe even all) from being sold. Congress stopped this change from happening.
 
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