Congress declares pizza to be a vegetable

Vendak said:
Probably no different than what most kids are being fed at home anyway. If parents want their kids to be healthy, packed lunch is the way. It's not like school meals being crap is something new.
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That there is another problem these days. If you got both parents who still have jobs, working long hours just to make ends meet and don't have the time to actually cook food that is good and healthy, the unhealthy foods that you just throw in the microwave is pretty much what the kids call dinner.
 
Vendak said:
Probably no different than what most kids are being fed at home anyway. If parents want their kids to be healthy, packed lunch is the way. It's not like school meals being crap is something new.
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I agree, it's too much of a balancing act at school. They do offer good choices I'm sure, but when you give your kid 5 bucks and tell them to buy a lunch, and they can choose between pizza and a salad? You're dumb if you assume that the kid will pick the salad, except in rare cases. But at the same time they don't want to give the kids no choice in what to eat or have them really unhappy with what they're eating, while at the same time balancing the demands of the parents who are unhappy with how unhealthy some of the options are.

Kids aren't going to choose healthy, and schools aren't going to want to force healthy on them. Parents have to do it.
 
As much as it's ultimately a parent's responsibility to make sure their kids eat healthily, a school still needs to serve as a support for those days when a kid can't get a packed lunch or whatever. That's why they need to be healthy regardless. Unhealthy food should not be an option at schools. Healthy food should be the default and people who want unhealthy food should have to make the extra effort to get it.
 
What I want to know is why they're so eager to have pizza on the lunch menus. What good does it really go anyone?

Regardless this is ridiculous. Although I'm pretty sure the article said that the spread is the vegetable, not the pizza? Which would be amusing since tomatoes are fruits lmao.
 
Mario The World Champion said:
That there is another problem these days. If you got both parents who still have jobs, working long hours just to make ends meet and don't have the time to actually cook food that is good and healthy, the unhealthy foods that you just throw in the microwave is pretty much what the kids call dinner.
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You can cook a healthy meal very quickly if you just look up online or in a recipe book how to do it. The only problem is, most people (parent or not) don't.


Scarf said:
As much as it's ultimately a parent's responsibility to make sure their kids eat healthily, a school still needs to serve as a support for those days when a kid can't get a packed lunch or whatever. That's why they need to be healthy regardless. Unhealthy food should not be an option at schools. Healthy food should be the default and people who want unhealthy food should have to make the extra effort to get it.
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Yes they really should, but a lot of things should happen but won't. Once again money is more important, money is always more important. As freakylocz said, the only reason this has happened is because congress was bought out by the businesses a long time ago.
 
Question, but did we ever decide what a tomato is? From what I can remember from school, it was considered a fruit and a vegetable.

My state has it classified as both (As its the state fruit AND vegetable)

That said tomato paste/sauce, even if a tomato is a vegetable, isn't a vegetable. If you make it using only tomatoes, it is, but nowadays the sauce/paste is loaded with so much other **** that it hardly tastes like a tomato.

Not really related but still... Seems like it fits. "What have you against toxins General? Do you even know what they put in food these days? Ugh." (Wonder how many people know where this quote it from.)
 
Ok, this is starting to frustrate me.. so:


Definition of PIZZA

: a dish made typically of flattened bread dough spread with a savory mixture usually including tomatoes and cheese and often other toppings and baked —called also pizza pie
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pizza




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pizza
noun
a baked Italian dish consisting of flattened bread dough covered variously with herbs, fresh vegetables, or, typically in the U.S., with tomato sauce, grated cheese, and, often, sausage, mushrooms, pepperoni, etc.

Source:
Webster's New World College Dictionary Copyright © 2010 by Wiley Publishing, Inc., Cleveland, Ohio.
Used by arrangement with John Wiley & Sons, Inc.

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Lastly:




veg·e·ta·ble adj \ˈvej-tə-bəl, ˈve-jə-\



Definition of VEGETABLE

1
a : of, relating to, constituting, or growing like plants
b : consisting of plants : vegetational
2
: made from, obtained from, or containing plants or plant products <vegetable soup> <vegetable fat>
3
: resembling or suggesting a plant (as in inertness or passivity)

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Can we now wrap up this discussion? Arguing what the condiments consist of wont necessarily change what it essentially is, or its history.


Pizza is essentially a dish with a wheat/ bread base with a topping and, usually (but not always,) a sauce to accompany it. It's why people can define other dishes rice that is fried with an assortment of fish overtop a "sushi pizza" for example. The dish can be made many ways.
 
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This is also a dish, and I'm sure you wouldn't argue that that's not vegetables. The point is whether or not it has enough tomato in it to be considered to have vegetables in it, therefore making it servable in school cafeterias.
 
Toujours said:
This is also a dish, and I'm sure you wouldn't argue that that's not vegetables. The point is whether or not it has enough tomato in it to be considered to have vegetables in it, therefore making it servable in school cafeterias.
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Yes, that is a dish, but that's not pizza.

Just like all plants are living things, but not all living things are plants.

Different dishes are comprised of different ingredients. (Chicken Cordon Bleu is a dish, but it generally doesn't comprise of any vegetables.) Dishes have variation.
Vegetables can be considered an ingredient, but pizza isn't considered an ingredient.
 
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And now we're starting to debate semantics, probably like what the congressmen did. Thus, the cycle of life repeats itself.
 
The point I was making is that you were bolding and sizing up "a dish" as if calling something a dish in its definition makes it not eligible to have any kind of vegetables in it or something. The title may be misleading as to the actual topic of conversation, but that doesn't mean you can "wrap up this discussion" by saying "nope pizza isn't a vegetable". I'm pretty sure you're aware that the pizza discussed here isn't sushi pizza or any other kind of pizza, but the basic pizza that you'd see in a school cafeteria, so saying otherwise is playing with semantics.

Edit: looool@ninja'd by semantics
 
Toujours said:
The point I was making is that you were bolding and sizing up "a dish" as if calling something a dish in its definition makes it not eligible to have any kind of vegetables in it or something.
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a dish with vegetables in it isn't a vegetable

edit: no point making a new post, only said this because that's pretty much what you implied with your eggplant thing
 
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Toujours said:
The point I was making is that you were bolding and sizing up "a dish" as if calling something a dish in its definition makes it not eligible to have any kind of vegetables in it or something. The title may be misleading as to the actual topic of conversation, but that doesn't mean you can "wrap up this discussion" by saying "nope pizza isn't a vegetable". I'm pretty sure you're aware that the pizza discussed here isn't sushi pizza or any other kind of pizza, but the basic pizza that you'd see in a school cafeteria, so saying otherwise is playing with semantics.

Edit: looool@ninja'd by semantics
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I never said that a pizza could not comprise of vegetables. I simply proved that, essentially, a pizza is not technically considered a vegetable, it is considered a dish.

Pizza can have vegetables within the dish, but pizza is not solely a vegetable.
I can plant ingredients in a garden in order to make that dish, however, it is not possible to grow a completed prepared pizza from a garden.
 
Vendak said:
a dish with vegetables in it isn't a vegetable
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Kura said:
I never said that a pizza could never comprise of vegetables. I simply proved that, essentially, a pizza is not technically considered a vegetable, it is considered a dish.

Pizza can have vegetables within the dish, but pizza is not solely a vegetable.
I can plant ingredients in a garden in order to make that dish, however, it is not possible to grow a completed prepared pizza from a garden.
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This is why I'm saying the title is misleading, doesn't mean discussion is over because you can debunk the title that isn't what the issue is about. The article says:

Proposed new school lunch standards from the USDA would have limited potatoes in school lunches (think French fries) and stopped counting less than a half-cup of tomato sauce as a vegetable (think pizza)
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The tomato sauce itself is considered to contain enough vegetables to justify keeping pizza. The point is that because that has a vegetable in it, it can still be served. We all know pizza itself is not a vegetable. I'm actually a little confused as to why you feel the need to tell people that you can't grow a pizza though. Do you really believe people don't know that?
 
Kura said:
I can plant ingredients in a garden in order to make that dish, however, it is not possible to grow a completed prepared pizza from a garden.
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X bets that with enough genetic engineering you can grow a tomato that tastes like a pizza.

Edit - If its chicken flavored soy product then it might be a vegetable.
 
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