Do you believe in Jesus/God?

Believe in Jesus/God

  • Yes

    Votes: 57 46.7%
  • No

    Votes: 49 40.2%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 16 13.1%

  • Total voters
    122
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I believe that God exists because of the evidence. Three of the most convincing arguments that really solidified my faith in God are the Kalam cosmological argument, the moral argument, and the fine-tuning argument. Theism simply explains the creation of the universe out of nothing, objective moral values, and the constants that make human life possible. Atheism utterly fails at explaining those things.

The Kalam cosmological argument goes as follows:

1.) Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
2.) The universe began to exist.
3.) Therefore, the universe has a cause.

The first premise is pretty obvious. Things do not just pop into existence uncaused out of nothing. For every effect, there is a cause. This is constantly verified in our experience and never falsified.

The second premise is supported by several lines of evidence. There are two philosophical arguments for the impossibility of an infinite past (which I will not go into in this post for the sake of space). There are also two empirical evidences that the universe began to exist.

Most scientists agree that the universe began to exist a finite time ago, since the universe is expanding and, if you go back in time, will contract back into a singularity in which all matter, space, and time come into existence.

Also, the laws of thermodynamics tell us that in a closed, isolated system (such as our universe), the amount of usable energy is running down. Since the usable energy in our universe has not completely run down into a state of equilibrium, the universe must have begun a finite time ago.

So, since everything that begins to exist has a cause, and the universe began to exist, then the universe must have a cause. Not only that, but since the cause is the cause of all matter, space, and time coming into existence, the cause must be immaterial, nonspatial, and timeless. Furthermore, there are only two types of entities that could be timeless, nonspatial, and immaterial: either abstract objects (such as numbers) or a personal mind. Since abstract objects are causally impotent, the cause must be a personal mind. So, there must have been a transcendent, immaterial, nonspatial, timeless, personal being who brought the universe into existence out of nothing. That cause is most plausibly God.

The moral argument can be formulated as follows:

1.) If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties do not exist.
2.) Objective moral values and duties do exist.
3.) Therefore, God exists.

Most atheists will agree to premise (1). If there is no God, there is simply no way for there to be an objective standard of morality. Morality is simply left up to personal opinion and culture.

The second premise is the main point, and seems intuitively obvious to most people. Most people would agree that torturing babies is objectively wrong no matter what culture you live in. Most people would agree that burning a widow alive after the death of her husband is objectively wrong regardless of personal opinion. Most people believe that the holocaust was wrong, and would still be wrong even if the Nazis had won WWII and killed or brainwashed everyone who disagreed with them so that it was universally believed that is was right.

So, if you agree that those things are objectively wrong, then you are logically committed to believe that God exists. He is the only way moral values and duties could be objectively grounded. Moral values are grounded in His unchanging nature, and moral duties are derived from His commands, which are necessary expressions of His good and loving nature.

The fine-tuning argument can be formulated as follows:

1.) The fine-tuning of the universe is the result of either physical necessity, chance, or design.
2.) It is not due to physical necessity or chance.
3.) Therefore, it is due to design.

There are multiple physical constants that are incredibly fine-tuned (e.g., the electromagnetic interaction, the weak force, strong force, gravitation, the ratio of proton to electron mass, etc.) so that if they were slightly altered just one way or another, life could not exist.

This fine-tuning could not just be by chance. For every one of these constants to just happen to be at the precise quantity at the same time so that life could exist is just ridiculously improbable.

The fine-tuning could not be by physical necessity. It is certainly possible that the different constants could be otherwise. If someone believes the constants are the result of physical necessity, then they have to present a tremendous amount of evidence for that.

So, it must be by design. A design requires a designer. So, I believe that fine-tuning is good evidence that God exists.

All these arguments together provide a compelling case for the existence of God.

Wow. Very complete. I've never heard a rational argument like that before for God. But that doesn't mean its God, it could be any god(in other's minds) so more arguments would be needed.
 
Nope, don't believe in a God.
I do believe that there's at least SOMETHING when we die, but what? I dunno.
 
So.. why are you using Jesus/God? Believe it or not, there are more options than just the -christian- god, you are giving an awfully narrow option.

I do not believe in the christian god. I do not believe in any organized religion. I believe there is something more than what we know that there is something related to the spirit, but I do not believe that we can possibly understand it as we are now, maybe we never will who knows.
 
It's not that I don't believe or disbelieve in Jesus, or any other god or deity.

It's just that...I don't care. XD

Regardless of whether there is a god or not, I live my life according to my morals, and not according to anything Jesus may tell me to do. Though having said this, we're usually on the same wavelength. ^^
 
The Bible is the only ancient holy book that is completely historically accurate (except for the books that are written in a more metaphorical way) as well as having every book agree with one another, despite being a collaboration of many different author's works.

Everything has to happen for a reason and everyone has to have a purpose... at least that is what I believe.
 
The Bible is the only ancient holy book that is completely historically accurate (except for the books that are written in a more metaphorical way) as well as having every book agree with one another, despite being a collaboration of many different author's works.

Everything has to happen for a reason and everyone has to have a purpose... at least that is what I believe.

That's all true(the first part) and for Christians, the last part is too. God says that all things work out for good for those who love Him.

EDIT: Yay, first post on the second page!
 
I'm not Jewish but I have the belief that once you die, you pass on into another body.
 
I'm not Jewish but I have the belief that once you die, you pass on into another body.

That's not what Jews believe - I think that's what Hindus believe. Maybe. It's called reincarnation.
 
I'm atheistic. I think there is no god or paradise or whatever, because the only reality and existence I can prove myself that exists is this one. I live to be happy here, not in any future life or whatever. Also, I don't live trying to make a higher being happy, but trying to make all the other people who I can make sure they exist as happy as they deserve to be.
 
As happy as they deserve to be? How happy is that? Or is it relative?
 
Oh, so a person who is "good" will be treated "better" than a "bad" person?
 
I am thinking, maybe we should either change this topic, or make a new topic that refers to a higher being in general.

Because I know many people who don't believe in the Christian God, but believe in a higher being.

~Mooshykris
 
I agree.
I want to know more about other beliefs as well along with people's perspectives on said beliefs.
 
You mean, a god that controls another god? Like in Greece?

Uh, yeah. That's basically how it goes. >__> (prison, for example?)

oh X.X

that makes more sense now...
 
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Oh I thought it was a Jewish belief ^_^ Shows how much I know haha =P
That is not, in any way shape or form, remotely Jewish :|

The Jewish follow the Hebrew version of the Old Testament, the most accurate version of the bible I think, less hands in it than the King James version of the bible that's for sure. So, for that reason there's no belief of reincarnation because they believe in God. Granted I'm being very general, because there are a lot of other things too.

I would like to make -absolutely clear- that the Jewish God is not the same as the Christian God, there are a few similarities in beliefs but, with all the different secs of Christianity it's quite small.
 
I'm an atheist, so I don't believe in any god or higher power. I see no point in devoting time and effort to something that has no proof of existence and no logical place in the natural world. I live for the moment and the people around me, and I'm not superstitious enough to pretend that every single one of my actions here on earth are being judged by someone and will determine whether I am sent to a heaven or hell. I don't believe that there is an afterlife after we die and I totally accept that.
 
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