Do you want Dawn to leave?

[weedle_mchairybug]

Uh, no, it won't. It will appeal to a few of the nostalgic "BRING MISTY BACK AAML FOREVER WOO" fans, but most of them will either A. realize that they don't care for her very much anymore or B. think that the Pokémon writers have butchered Misty so badly that she should have just not come back. It will not add any twist at all, and just like all the other girls, six-year-olds with short attention spans will tire of her.

And people aren't acting the same way with how the girls are currently being treated now? I've seen even people who never cared for Misty have tremendous hate for the writers for the current girl switch. Heck, I've seen some people say that the whole issue about replacing girls as being repetitive, as that's exactly what they have done twice before, and it's been implied in that interview that they most likely will keep on doing that. That is the exact definition of repetition that people currently hate.

And technically, short attention spanned kids won't tire of Misty, seeing how they don't retain enough memories to even feel mentally tired. Now, Long-attention spanned kids, sure, they probably will tire of her.

Besides, at least keeping a girl for nostalgia purposes is better than removing and replacing her with a girl who either is a bad influence, or replace said girl with another who will ultimately end up being a clone of a bad influence girl character, both reasons solely so eye-candy can be delivered.

And personally, I felt May and Dawn were butchered from the start. Sure, I had more respect for Dawn than I did May, but that respect went down the drain when she revealed her true nature in the Buneary episode. I could tolerate her being upset at getting lost, I could tolerate her arguement with Ash in Dawn of a New Era about Pokeballs, but her basically acting like a vain jerk (even going as far as to INSULT Ash when he didn't really see the point), and throwing a temper tantrum to Brock during lunch was the last straw that broke the camerupt's back. Sure, I heard about her vanity issues on the web, but I didn't think that she'd actually go as far as she did with her vanity factor.

And honestly, if you want my opinion on the matter, Brock himself was also quite butchered in Season 1. The only reason why he seemed all right because I believed that he, despite his quirks, would at least work on his goal on being a breeder. how did that turn out? fruitless, and he didn't even know about imprinting, which is one of the basic features of breeding.

Another thing, I definitely doubt that the writers would butcher Misty. The only possible way that they can do that is if they make her like May, Dawn, and especially the girls from Princess vs. Princess in terms of persona, and that's sticking to in-canon issues. To expand, she also would have to have her personality be changed to such a degree that she would act like the triplets from Beauty and the Beast, the majority of the girls in Two and a Half Men, the anime version of Sonsaku Hakufu from Battle Vixens, and most of the girls from Love Hina. In other words, she has to act by the very definition of the term, a bimbo.

Even IF Misty cannot return, they should at least create a permanent female character who DOESN'T act like the above examples.

 

[A Pixy]

The words 'SHUT UP DAWN' come to mind now less then 'SHUT UP MAY' did a couple years back. Then again the words 'SHUT UP ASH' also come to mind, so I guess it's not really a problem.

So no, I don't want her to leave.

 

[MastaMind]

To be quite honest, she's not a bad character at all... i expect imperfection from her (as a character) because its a kids cartoon and it would be boring to be perfect. Besides, i dont play favorites with "whos the better companion" thing with may, misty, or dawn... it annoys me to much and takes away the fun of watching it.

 

[Semidos]

If Dawn does leave, and Misty comes back, and so on. Wouldn't that be redundant? Sure, the nostalgia would have its effects for a while, but people would get tired of it quickly

Nostalgia? Maybe a little, but not at all. Misty is creative and interesting character and I would not get tired of her.

 

[Taemin]

I think it would be nice to see them do something more with her character.. but I doubt that'll happen.

Sooo, I wouldn't mind it in the least if she left early, as I find her kind of dull. Then again, I also wouldn't mind if she stayed. I don't really care what they do with her. Either way she'll leave once DP is over, and that's enough for me. >_>

 

[Hatenko]

No, Dawn's party is finally getting interesting. Of course, Piplup sucks and so does Pachirisu, but I haven't given up hope Buneary will evolve. Mamoswine's awesome, and there's always the

Spoiler:

Togekiss

that was supposedly hers in the new opening.

 

[Emotion.]

No I don't want her to leave but I'd also like May to come back, and Brock to leave, he's the dullest of them all. So that leave it as Ash, May, Dawn, and the 5th Gen girl.

Not bad work from ash ;D

 

[Kung Fu Ferret]

No. Keep Dawn, AND bring back May, and have a new guy (5th Gen Male Hero) replace Brock, whose perverted antics are kind of... getting extremely old...

 

[Axєl]

No. Keep Dawn, AND bring back May, and have a new guy (5th Gen Male Hero) replace Brock, whose perverted antics are kind of... getting extremely old...

Don't I wish.. XD

Having all that happen would be pretty close to the perfect Pokemon series for me, sadly I think we're stuck with just Dawn.

I wouldn't mind in the slightest if she were replaced with Misty coming back, though.

 

[Vernikova]

Max should be the next new girl.

I don't know why anyone would find Fiery Redhead as an interesting character. Especially when she cooled down in Johto.

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Max should be the next new girl.

I don't know why anyone would find Fiery Redhead as an interesting character. Especially when she cooled down in Johto.

To me, at least, I don't really care if a character is "interesting," as long as he or she is at least a good role model for the audience at large. I mean, people seemed to consider Jerry Springer "interesting," yet that show was actually a horrible role model, period. That's pretty much why Misty has my vote. Besides, was Ash or more importantly Brock any different after Johto? Why aren't you acting as though they should leave and stay off?

And... you do realize that Max is a male, right? (clutches head and shakes his head in exhasperation)

 

[Semidos]

Especially when she cooled down in Johto.

Not in my opinion. She was cool in all series.

I don't know why anyone would find Fiery Redhead as an interesting character.

You may not. But many people find.

And... isn't Max a boy?

 

[DonRoyale]

Max should be the next new girl.

I see wut u did thar :>

I don't know why anyone would find Fiery Redhead as an interesting character. Especially when she cooled down in Johto.

Personally, I blame Johto for that, since it was written, handled and executed extremely poorly. I'd get into that, but I think for once you and I can agree.

As much as I hate defending Misty when so many people (Hell, Weedle could count as a crowd all by himself) are singing her praises and spouting "We want her back!", she had better character and was a superior role model than both May and Dawn.

I mean, yeah, she barely did squat, but still...Most people hate Contests, anyway. :V (Though I can't say I'm one of those people.)

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

I see wut u did thar :>



Personally, I blame Johto for that, since it was written, handled and executed extremely poorly. I'd get into that, but I think for once you and I can agree.

As much as I hate defending Misty when so many people (Hell, Weedle could count as a crowd all by himself) are singing her praises and spouting "We want her back!", she had better character and was a superior role model than both May and Dawn.

I mean, yeah, she barely did squat, but still...Most people hate Contests, anyway. :V (Though I can't say I'm one of those people.)

You know, I do realize her flaws, so I can't say I only sang praise for her (her fear of bugs technically counts as a flaw). However, just because I recognize that she has flaws doesn't mean that I have to mock her for them (which, unfortunately, people like Cybercubed/Scott85 seem to enjoy doing that. Is there any way to recognize a character's flaws without resorting to mockery in the fanbase? I mean, sure, I'm vindictive towards May and Dawn, but I at least don't mock them or their fanbase.)

 

[Vernikova]

And... you do realize that Max is a male, right? (clutches head and shakes his head in exhasperation)

And... isn't Max a boy?

How did you not see that?

To me, at least, I don't really care if a character is "interesting," as long as he or she is at least a good role model for the audience at large.

This can't be serious.

Besides, was Ash or more importantly Brock any different after Johto? Why aren't you acting as though they should leave and stay off?

Because we're not talking about them at the moment.

You may not. But many people find.

Sadly, the vocal minority of that group won't shut up.

I'd get into that, but I think for once you and I can agree.

I disagree.

I mean, sure, I'm vindictive towards May and Dawn, but I at least don't mock them,

Don't you call May a coward every 33rd chance you get when the 9th movie is brought up?

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

How did you not see that?

Well, why even bother making a sarcastic remark about Max in the first place?

This can't be serious.

We had this discussion before, and anyways, being a good role model is far more important than a character being "interesting."

Because we're not talking about them at the moment.

Doesn't really matter. You mentioned staleness about Misty, which technically wasn't even what we were talking about, so it's not like that should be done.

Sadly, the vocal minority of that group won't shut up.

Vocal minority? Hardly. Not only did Misty actually have a long following that actually continues to this day with clubs, but even critics have stated that she was vital to the show. If anything, we're more like half, if not a majority. Several fans have also stated that they left the show because Misty left, and going by the fact that the ratings are actually faring worse than in Johto, that's saying quite a bit.

Don't you call May a coward every 33rd chance you get when the 9th movie is brought up?

No, that isn't mocking, that's called being vindictively blunt (if you noticed, I never once showed any delight, any laughter, or even make it out to be humorous in any of my posts.). Mocking is very different, where you basically say nasty things and laugh while doing it, or heck, making jokes at other peoples expense. Look at several comedy shows and you'll see. Heck, look at some of PorygonSquared's posts or even some of the posts on the BMGf's Hall of Shame.

 

[Vernikova]

Well, why even bother making a sarcastic remark about Max in the first place?

Because he's the manliest main character ever.

We had this discussion before, and anyways, being a good role model is far more important than a character being "interesting."

Not to most people who want to be entertained by a show. Or so I've heard.

Doesn't really matter. You mentioned staleness about Misty, which technically wasn't even what we were talking about, so it's not like that should be done.

This involved into a Misty thread when her name was first brought up and people stated they wanted her to come back.

Vocal minority? Hardly. Not only did Misty actually have a long following that actually continues to this day with clubs, but even critics have stated that she was vital to the show. If anything, we're more like half, if not a majority. Several fans have also stated that they left the show because Misty left, and going by the fact that the ratings are actually faring worse than in Johto, that's saying quite a bit.

I know Misty has a big fan base. It's the vocal minority of that base that complains about her not being on the show and openly wants her back to the extent of them complaining about it.

No, that isn't mocking, that's called being vindictively blunt (if you noticed, I never once showed any delight, any laughter, or even make it out to be humorous in any of my posts.). Mocking is very different, where you basically say nasty things and laugh while doing it, or heck, making jokes at other peoples expense. Look at several comedy shows and you'll see. Heck, look at some of PorygonSquared's posts or even some of the posts on the BMGf's Hall of Shame.

Not in the fan's eyes it isn't. What you call being blunt they call bashing and mocking , which is ironic since whenever someone is blunt about Misty it's bashing and mocking all of a sudden.

Now excuse me, I have my final Final tomorrow so I'll let someone else play you. Will you wish me luck dear?

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

Because he's the manliest main character ever.

I guess.

[QUOTENot to most people who want to be entertained by a show. Or so I've heard. [/QUOTE]

People easily said the same thing with Jynx, and did that really stop Weatherford from basically filing a lawsuit against Pokemon and changing her skin to purple?

This involved into a Misty thread when her name was first brought up and people stated they wanted her to come back.

As long as you don't laugh at her or make derisive and yet hateful comments about Misty, I don't really care if you hate her or not. Now, if you mention your beliefs in a humorless and non-mocking tone, I'll be fine. Also, even I know my limits. However, whether she did have flaws or not, that still doesn't mean we will stop trying to bring her back, since that is what true loyalty is, as well as what being a fan truly means.

I know Misty has a big fan base. It's the vocal minority of that base that complains about her not being on the show and openly wants her back to the extent of them complaining about it.

Actually, it isn't really the vocal minority. I've seen most of the clubs actually state that Misty not being on the show is not a good thing. Heck, the mere name of Pokecommunity's Misty Club even implies that the entire club, at least partially, discusses ways to try and bring her back. Besides which, the mere fact that several college studies and research has been done that had Misty being well liked by most kids seemed to imply that it definitely isn't a vocal minority. Now, the vocal minority, IMO, would probably be the ones who actually bash the ones who try and bring Misty back yet are in the same fanbase, seeing how most of these guys are mods.

Not in the fan's eyes it isn't. What you call being blunt they call bashing and mocking , which is ironic since whenever someone is blunt about Misty it's bashing and mocking all of a sudden.

See, I often see things by definitions, actions, and equations/mathematics. In that sense, I'm like a machine. And either way, I don't really wish to have to mention my angst for May every single time, but sometimes it always seems as though it is necessary, whether you want it or not.

Now excuse me, I have my final Final tomorrow so I'll let someone else play you. Will you wish me luck dear?

Good luck, then. Although why are you having a final in January?

 

[MastaMind]

How did you not see that?



This can't be serious.



Because we're not talking about them at the moment.



Sadly, the vocal minority of that group won't shut up.



I disagree.



Don't you call May a coward every 33rd chance you get when the 9th movie is brought up?

^^^ all of this above. completely agree

Im really really REALLY sad to see that my favorite show from when i was 5 onwards, has turned into a breeding ground for morons complaining about how imperfect the show is w/o misty, may, ect. ect... And from when i was a kid, i didn't give a **** about misty at all, or pay any real attention to her, she was just there. I don't know why ppl think she's the saving grace of PKMN, but i find it depressing that so many people get butt hurt about her not being in the show anymore.

And to think PKMN was a cartoon instead of a "serious" anime. BOY was i wrong!

oh yea, i saw the sarcasm :)

 

[weedle_mchairybug]

^^^ all of this above. completely agree

Im really really REALLY sad to see that my favorite show from when i was 5 onwards, has turned into a breeding ground for morons complaining about how imperfect the show is w/o misty, may, ect. ect... And from when i was a kid, i didn't give a **** about misty at all, or pay any real attention to her, she was just there. I don't know why ppl think she's the saving grace of PKMN, but i find it depressing that so many people get butt hurt about her not being in the show anymore.

And to think PKMN was a cartoon instead of a "serious" anime. BOY was i wrong!

oh yea, i saw the sarcasm :)

For the record, Misty was never my favorite character. Heck, I never even saw any characters as my favorites (since I hate favorites ever since I watched Toy Story). However, that doesn't mean you can't actually see the flaws that occured when she left. The ex-director himself stated that the main reason why he replaced Misty was for eye-candy purposes and basically dress the new girls up in bikinis/swimsuits for us straight males lustful eyes. Honestly, even for a person who only watches the show for entertainment purposes, can you EVEN think that's a redeeming aspect of the show?! Not only was that a very horrible move on the writers part (BTW, as side note, even those who HATED Misty, May, or even both were enraged at that reason, so it definitely wasn't just because of our favorite character not being on the show), but do you know what that would imply to the audience at large? That females can be disposed of if fresh meat to toss around is available, and Guys should act like complete perverts. I wouldn't even be surprised if the females who watch the show all of a sudden decide they should start posing for the camera, stripping, trying to get breast implants, or trying to either lose weight that they don't need to/purging excess food shortly after eating it as a result of seeing May and Dawn. Honestly, that is a very serious issue that should be stopped.