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Does America Need A Revolution?

Perhaps it would be better to list what sort of revolution you're talking about, or would prefer to talk about - Republican, communist, a black revolution, Southern secession, furries toppling the government..?
A bit too general a question, I think.
 
America's needed a revolution for shit the last 20+ years, and history's bound to repeat itself. The American people have the right to fight against a tyrannical government which is exactly what they've been and will continue doing. But in all honesty, if you just get rid of the political system (or wings) then things would gradually get better over time. The political system is to divide and conquer meaning you'd as well obliterate the corporate media bullshit freeing people of lies and corruption, for the most part. Our founding fathers said we should avoid this they predicted this would happen if we created a political system and look what happened. The problem is tho, is I don't think the American people are ready or could handle a revolution. The military is just too big and the government has weaponry beyond anything we could imagine. We'd need the same weaponry to even consider taking action against the government, but then again; why you think they're trying so desperately hard to unarm us of firearms? They basically want full control of us and this is something the American people need to wake up to realize. Total controls been their agenda for too long and eventually we're going to need to do something about it. We're just waiting for the right time or waiting for something major to happen.
 
We are at an interesting crossroads in our political history where some people who seem fed up may feel revolution is the only option. I am not sure I agree, but I do think that things need to change drastically. Every 4 years, the entire nation is coerced into a voting ritual where they are encouraged to turn out not to vote for a candidate but to vote against the other candidate. In this election we will likely be faced with two untenable choices, regardless of who the parties nominate. These candidates differ on style and on hot-button social issues, but very little else. When it comes to government surveillance, eminent domain, civil asset forfeiture, police brutality, welfare-warfare state, the military-industrial complex, the school-to-prison pipeline, military drone usage, foreign aid to Israel, etc., the candidates couldn't be any more identical. Sanders is offering lip service on a few of these issues, but he is also an unacceptable option for his economic policies. The Bill of Rights is being abused by politicians, and some feel that the only way to fight this is by revolution. They may be right. I personally feel that all I can do is change my behavior so I only support businesses and individuals with positive motives to sustain domestic growth and prosperity. But even if we do this we are still coerced into subsidizing a bellicose federal government. It is hard to say what will come of this. Of course revolution will be inevitable if things go too far.
 
Nathan I think you've started a trend or something

I'm not sure if we need a revolution in the typical sense of "overthrow the government via force and replace it with a new one", though we could probably use a major change in our election process and certain social aspects.

Harley Quinn said:
furries toppling the government..?
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lmao
 
Harley Quinn said:
Perhaps it would be better to list what sort of revolution you're talking about, or would prefer to talk about - Republican, communist, a black revolution, Southern secession, furries toppling the government..?
A bit too general a question, I think.
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No, I don't think I need to. It's up to you in how you would like to respond. If you believe that America needs a Republican revolution, then yes, you believe America needs a revolution. If you believe that America needs a communist revolution, then yes, you believe America needs a revolution. If you believe that America needs a black revolution, then yes, you believe America needs a revolution.

The question is if America needs a revolution and it's not clear from your answer if you think yes or no.
 
Short answer: Yes. However:

I don't think the US needs a violent, militarist revolution. I don't think that's the right action to take in most cases since military-style takeovers almost always end up with militaristic governments. Plus with the kind of American groups most often advocating for overthrowing the government (racist, fundamentalist libertarian gun nuts) I wouldn't want to live in a country run by those people anyway.

The political system is pretty whack though. Everyone who knows anything about the electoral college knows that it's broken (as per the wishes of the founding fathers) and there's too much influence from big money, big media. I'd like to see significant changes to our winner-takes-all system, how districts are drawn, how the senate works (which gives a proportionately larger voice to fewer people), and other things. But even without thse there are some smaller changes that would be pretty revolutionary. Like, everyone who is 18 should be automatically registered to vote instead of all these repressive anti-voting laws based on some sham idea that voter fraud is rampant. Election day should be a national holiday like Christmas or Thanksgiving where everything non-essential shuts down for the day so that everyone can go vote. We could change how campaigns could be run by, essentially, giving all money donated to any campaign into a pot and sharing it with all candidates who are running. Or we could not allow super-PACs and other large expenditure organizations so that if someone does want to support one candidate they can't give more than any other individual can regardless of how personally rich they are.

I like how things are done in Canada where there is a short election season, not this two-year monstrosity American has where everything is ELECTION! ELECTION! ELECTION!
 
The US citizenship can't agree on what kind of revolution they'd want anyway. Half want a revolution to become something more similar to the EU in regards to taxation, wealth redistribution and welfare state. The other half want a revolution to get the Confederacy age back rolling. And then there is that 10% who want straight-up Ayn Rand anarchy. So whatever the case, it isn't going to happen. If anything, one side will start getting their way through elections and the other will become increasingly angrier while the Rand side insists in "topple the tyrannical government! anarchy!!!".

Hopefully society will change accordingly before a civil war erupts.
 
I am not american but i will post anyway. I really believe in comunism but is completely impossible to something like that o happen without someone screwing up.
 
Esper said:
Like, everyone who is 18 should be automatically registered to vote instead of all these repressive anti-voting laws based on some sham idea that voter fraud is rampant. Election day should be a national holiday like Christmas or Thanksgiving where everything non-essential shuts down for the day so that everyone can go vote.
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I agree with a lot of what your saying but this I don't agree with and quite frankly it's unrealistic. Why? Many people don't know a damn thing about politics and candidates policies, and they don't know how politics work. Many vote for a party because said person in their circle said to vote or is voting for that candidate or leaned them towards that party. Or, people like me that don't give a shit about politics tho I know how it works I could just give a damn because it's bs anways. Candidates say whatever they want you to hear to get votes when in the end it was a big lie. America's naive and will vote for the stupidest shit and politicians know that so they take advantage of it. That's the problem with mandatory voting.

Edit: Like Bernie Sanders for example; some not all, are voting for him for the free shit when they don't know how it will effect the economy. Some are voting for Donald Trump because they feel he knows business and economics well enough or because they agree with his "building this wall" to stop illegal immigration. Those alone are not valid enough reasons to vote a president.
 
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Esper said:
I like how things are done in Canada where there is a short election season, not this two-year monstrosity American has where everything is ELECTION! ELECTION! ELECTION!
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This. American politics is a laughingstock.

Anyway, we the people do need a revolution, and I think Bernie Sanders is right on the money with his call for a political revolution. The game is rigged; the table tilted. We need someone to flip that table and say "enough is enough."
 
Esper said:
I'm not sure if I'm for mandatory voting. There are pros and cons to it. I just want voting to be as accessible as possible for people which is why I want election day to be a proper holiday. Whether people should have to go vote, I dunno.
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How do you feel about convicted felons voting? You think they should lift the the law and allow any and all x cons to vote or do you believe they should continue to allow them not to vote? I mean, they say every vote matters so why block American citizens from voting? Sure, some may be locked up but they could have a voting booth in a jail/prison.
 
ShinyUmbreon189 said:
How do you feel about convicted felons voting? You think they should lift the the law and allow any and all x cons to vote or do you believe they should continue to allow them not to vote? I mean, they say every vote matters so why block American citizens from voting? Sure, some may be locked up but they could have a voting booth in a jail/prison.
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That's what it means to believe in political rights for all people. Personally, I think felons ought to have the right to vote. Practically speaking, it's not going to make much of a difference either way.
 
Kanzler said:
That's what it means to believe in political rights for all people. Personally, I think felons ought to have the right to vote. Practically speaking, it's not going to make much of a difference either way.
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I'm interested to hear why you think it won't make a difference.
 
ShinyUmbreon189 said:
How do you feel about convicted felons voting? You think they should lift the the law and allow any and all x cons to vote or do you believe they should continue to allow them not to vote? I mean, they say every vote matters so why block American citizens from voting? Sure, some may be locked up but they could have a voting booth in a jail/prison.
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They're people, too, right? Citizens? Not all states have the same laws on felons voting. Some can vote, even while incarcerated, if I understand it right. There are lots of people who are in jail because of non-violent drug offenses, the kind of actions that plenty of people who aren't in jail commit all the time and they can still vote. I dunno. It's like, do we have a litmus test on who should be able to vote? Maybe that's just making a slippery slope argument, but I wouldn't want to see people being incarcerated to influence elections. If you look at the number of black men arrested and incarcerated you can kind of see how it could be, if only inadvertently and not necessarily with that intent, a way to disenfranchise people.
 
UndertakerFreak1127 said:
I'm interested to hear why you think it won't make a difference.
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Well, I've been in jail before (only a week) and according to the people in there a vast majority said, "fuck politics" and didn't want anything to do with it. So in essence most wouldn't even vote. But for those that want to vote, in some states they aren't allowed to vote which is a very small percentage of American citizens their votes wouldn't matter much against the rest of non convicted or imprisoned Americans. So yes it wouldn't make a big enough impact to really turn the tables any when it comes to voting. Especially if 80% didn't vote.
 
Well, I'm of the school of thought that every vote counts, and Florida in 2000 is a good example.
 
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