4th Gen Effort?.. Or lack thereof?

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iPochama

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    Okay well, about two weeks ago, I was playing this game. I was wondering and worrying about the Johto/Kanto league, it all seemed so immense. Red was at the very back of my mind. A few days back, I beat Red, but now I'm wondering about events, shining leafs, latios, rebattles. My point is, this is a very extensive game, it has sooooo much endgame in it, frontier, rebattles, events, SL's, legendaries, it just goes on and on.

    I feel that, for the effort of spriting, mapping, etc, this game was rushed, I mean sure, there are a lot of cheap 3d effects and the soundtrack is very professional, the endgame and online play is too, but for something seemingly so fantastic, grand and endless... why weren't new sprites commisioned, new maps, etc. I just think Johto's revival could have been bigger.. Saying that though, I do feel there was a lot of misplaced effort on the sprites (the pokemon) there were so many made, and their ow's look awful to me, very cluttery... and I for one can't help wonder why they never used their MD Pokemon sprites.

    Anyway, this is all my opinion, and I'd love to hear yours.

    Thanks for reading. (Reading me repeat myself a million times) j o j''
     
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    They couldn't have used the MD Sprites because they don't fit in the "style" of how they make their DS Main Series games. This game probably wasn't rushed, a lot of it is good and and don't see how it could have been "bigger".
     
    You have to be crazy to say that. What did you want to have them life sized. I don't think you want a huge Torterra cluttering your screen :/
     
    iPochama said:
    That sounded a bit personal, I don't think that's really appropriate, sweety.

    I'm only saying having them 'life-pokemon' sized would be great (mystery dungeon sprites portray them ideally)
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    Wailord...
     
    At the very least we got the feature of every single Pokemon and their shiny versions following us.

    Remember that before that first HG/SS image appeared, nobody was even expecting Game Freak to put in a feature of all Pokemon following you for G/S remakes, or any Pokemon game for that matter. It was a really nice suprise that came out of left field.
     
    I'll agree that the sprites aren't perfect and a lot of them don't look good to me. But, that doesn't mean the game was rushed in any way, shape, or form, or that it was inadequate. Maybe the spriters they hired just weren't as good, or they spent more money/effort on other aspects of the game (which are far more important imo, and in the opinion of most of the rest of the people). Just because one aspect of the game isn't perfect doesn't mean the whole game is inadequate and sucked.
     
    A picture tells a thousand words...
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    Okay. What the hell? What did you do to my awesome little Jolteon, the PT sprite was awesome, but...

    I mean, I'm no artist, but I think they should have spent a little more time on these sprites or left the old ones. You know what? The Crystal Sprites would have looked better. I can see some sprite hack patches coming out for this. Apart from a few exceptions, they're all hideous.
     
    iPochama said:
    Ah. I feel the representation of wailord in HGSS was fantastic, nice, clear, proffesional.
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    Unless he is bigger than your screen, its not good enough. Also I bet you would totally want a Giant freaking Lugia, Gyrados, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Groudon, ETC. following you and taking up about 50% of your screen, yea that would be totally awesome >_> also you have to remeber that the new following pokemon is an experiment they're doing. They're testing to see if people actually like them or not, if they do then they'll most likely bring them back either into an R/S remake (Which I think would be a terrible idea) or into the Gen 5 game (Again a bad idea).
     
    Archer said:
    A picture tells a thousand words...
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    Okay. What the hell? What did you do to my awesome little Jolteon, the PT sprite was awesome, but...

    I mean, I'm no artist, but I think they should have spent a little more time on these sprites or left the old ones. You know what? The Crystal Sprites would have looked better. I can see some sprite hack patches coming out for this. Apart from a few exceptions, they're all hideous.
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    That's only a matter of opinion. Just because you dislike the sprites, that doesn't mean they did a bad job at making them.
     
    Hmm, if one takes a look at the legendary dog sprites you can see straight away that they are bad sprites... Not proportioned properly, colours look fail, etc.
    But I think they should have had less padding and more story... there was so much filler in Kanto... I don't see why they could have added a bigger plot for Rocket in Kanto... not just Jhoto... Not to mention keep in the Sevii Islands... I don't even know why they removed those? Because they would have been great if they were kept in (More story line for Celio and the Plates etc like maybe they could have elaborated on the whole Arceus' plates thing?)
    Oh well, they made a good effort, but they could have had much more added in...
     
    Really now? Have you even played? The routes are barely flat now with ups and downs everywhere a lot of the gyms changed, there were 2 new routes with 3 routes getting major upgrades, and the Pokemon cannot be realistically big as its practically impossible. A lot of the spritework done made them tons better from DPt if not made a lot more Pokemon a tad bit accurate to their coloring and they more natural then mechanical. In sprite work it fixed what DPt ruined imo. `
     
    iPochama said:
    Yes, a lot of it was good, but this is the return of Gold and Silver!

    This was so heavily anticipated, I don't feel that this made the cut, to be honest.
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    Well, the "heavy anticipation" is exactly the reason why you (and possibly others) were let down. It's pretty hard to impress players given all the hype that was made over the remakes. I mean, the fact that people were so obsessed with the game before it even came out means that they had unreasonable expectations of it, maybe even to the point where no matter how good the game was, it wouldn't be satisfactory for them.

    But that doesn't mean it's not an excellent game :)
     
    JPW0nder said:
    'nuff said....but apparently it is not enough because i have to have atleasy 25 characterrs to submit a damn post....but really....,

    'nuff said
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    Hmm, I was disappointed, I thought they would be lifesized TBH.
    But how then, would you get between buildings, etc? So I guess you can' really argue that they're too small when if they were too big it would kill the playability, having to send it into a pokeball really often etc.

    Mitchman said:
    Really now? Have you even played? The routes are barely flat now with ups and downs everywhere a lot of the gyms changed, there were 2 new routes with 3 routes getting major upgrades, and the Pokemon cannot be realistically big as its practically impossible. A lot of the spritework done made them tons better from DPt if not made a lot more Pokemon a tad bit accurate to their coloring and they more natural then mechanical. In sprite work it fixed what DPt ruined imo. `
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    I've beaten the game, actually, and I was still disappointed... my SS is now rotting away whilst I let my brother play HG... because I'm not really that interested in it any more... I just would have thouht, that like RS, there would have been enough to keep me going for 350 hours... But apparently not....

    And could this not be merged with the complaints thread? That's kinda what it's turning into...
     
    From what I've seen, HG/SS will keep my playing longer than any of the third gen games ever would. Hell, even the other fourth gen games, and I've clocked up 700 hours on Pearl now. There is ACRES more content.

    To the OP, I don't agree with you that this game has been a letdown. Granted, I haven't played the game yet, and I do agree that some of the sprites were re-done unnecessarily, but I believe it was done to try and capture the spirit of the original games. I'll be able to make a full judgment once I buy, play and complete the game, but I can say right now that I'd bet my house that these games will be the best in the series by far.

    How anybody can say they are a letdown is beyond me.
     
    Sounds like a complaint to me, and complaints go in the complaint thread. So, going to close.

    But for the record, personally I don't agree on sprites as they were pretty decent IMO - matter of opinion and all, but they did decent on the majority. There's always going to be the odd one here and there (such as one sited, with Jolteon in their mind being worse), but we're only talking about a sprite when one gets down to it - doesn't mean they rushed it. MD sprites I have to say nay to, as IMO they aren't that good (they get simple stuff wrong anyway, particularly as a friend pointed out, Glaceon if one looks at its artwork and MD sprite), low colour palette and are in a different style as well - doubtful Game Freak would have used something like that, let alone some other company's sprites which go against their stuff. (And as amusing as a giant Wailord would be it wouldn't be viable if it didn't fit into the one spot and all for this game, personally).

    As for new maps - if you meant new regions or Sevii Islands, or something like that... well, maybe you were kinda hoping for too much there, given this game already has two regions - not to mention Kanto was far closer to FR/LG than what it had been in GSC - completely and utterly downsized. Now there's a Pal Park, Seafoam Islands Cave, etc, and they did some redesigns as well, such as of Rock Tunnel and Mt Silver. If it's more of the latter you wanted though, I feel too much of that would have killed what Kanto (or Johto) should be like thanks to past games, which canonically set its likeness. After all 3 years can't bring that much change. Given those minor points, even if I had a same mindset as you I doubt I would see the game as a letdown; far from it - they are pretty minor points in the end, IMO.

    BUT that's my opinion. Again - as this thread is bringing mostly complaints, go to the Complaints thread if you want to continue. Hence, closing.
     
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