5th Gen Evolutions Discussion

[solspear]

Caterpie => (level 7) Metapod => (level 10) Butterfree
Kurumiru => (level 20) Kurumayu => (happiness) Hahakomori

They are stronger, but they are a pain in the arse to evolve compared to the good old times

 

[Devil Flamingo]

...Speaking of Kenhorou, you guys do realize some of the world's most colourful birds are pigeons and doves, right? I realize the rock pigeon (or common pigeon) is everywhere so one can't help but associate them with dull colours but anyways, the kereru says hi, and check out fruit doves, and don't forget the crowned pigeons, which are actually ground-dwelling birds! Plus Kenhorou has elements of pheasants and such gamebirds, etc. Not trying to show off my knowledge of birds, but though I'd point out that colourful pigeons are far more common than you'd think. ;P

GF isn't making anything up here; dazzling colourful pigeons (male and female) are real. :3

 

[PlatinumDude]

Caterpie => (level 7) Metapod => (level 10) Butterfree
Kurumiru => (level 20) Kurumayu => (happiness) Hahakomori

They are stronger, but they are a pain in the arse to evolve compared to the good old times

Maybe the tough evolution methods were made to compensate for the relatively high base stats the new Bug Pokemon have. (like the Fushide line evolving at level 22 and then again at level 30)

 

[ManhattanTheStarr]

...Speaking of Kenhorou, you guys do realize some of the world's most colourful birds are pigeons and doves, right? I realize the rock pigeon (or common pigeon) is everywhere so one can't help but associate them with dull colours but anyways, the kereru says hi, and check out fruit doves, and don't forget the crowned pigeons, which are actually ground-dwelling birds! Plus Kenhorou has elements of pheasants and such gamebirds, etc. Not trying to show off my knowledge of birds, but though I'd point out that colourful pigeons are far more common than you'd think. ;P

GF isn't making anything up here; dazzling colourful pigeons (male and female) are real. :3

Wow, that's interesting. :0
But the female Kenhorou is FAR away from colorful. x3
(Even though they look WAY better than the males, IMO)

 

[King Gumball]

...Speaking of Kenhorou, you guys do realize some of the world's most colourful birds are pigeons and doves, right? I realize the rock pigeon (or common pigeon) is everywhere so one can't help but associate them with dull colours but anyways, the kereru says hi, and check out fruit doves, and don't forget the crowned pigeons, which are actually ground-dwelling birds! Plus Kenhorou has elements of pheasants and such gamebirds, etc. Not trying to show off my knowledge of birds, but though I'd point out that colourful pigeons are far more common than you'd think. ;P

GF isn't making anything up here; dazzling colourful pigeons (male and female) are real. :3

Yeah, I went to the zoo a couple of months ago and almost all the bird in the walk through bird enclosure were super colourful and exotic species of doves, pidgeons, quails and pheasants. The 4 birds that when people think of them they think ugly colours and disgusting city birds, which is completely untrue. Does anyone know what type of dove/pidgeon/quial/pheasant

is?

 

[Surmonter]

Caterpie => (level 7) Metapod => (level 10) Butterfree
Kurumiru => (level 20) Kurumayu => (happiness) Hahakomori

They are stronger, but they are a pain in the arse to evolve compared to the good old times

Pokemon in general are harder to evolve this generation.

We have the highest evolution level ever in this generation, and tons of Pokemon that don't evolve out of their very weak form until the late 40's or 50's!

Urugamosu's pre-evo is pretty weak, doesn't evolve until level 59.

The Dark/Dragon Pokemon's basic stage is very weak, doesn't evolve until level 50. Then that doesn't evolve again until 64. @_@

 

[Winds11]

The way I see it, Shibishirasu is based on the little know larval stage of eels, better known as a Leptocephalus.


And if anything, to me, Kenhorou looks like a Bird-of-Paradise. With the extravagant plumage of the males and comparatively drab coloration of the females, it fits right in.

 

[Planetes.]

Pokemon in general are harder to evolve this generation.

We have the highest evolution level ever in this generation, and tons of Pokemon that don't evolve out of their very weak form until the late 40's or 50's!

Urugamosu's pre-evo is pretty weak, doesn't evolve until level 59.

The Dark/Dragon Pokemon's basic stage is very weak, doesn't evolve until level 50. Then that doesn't evolve again until 64. @_@

Urugamosu is supossed to be "tough" since Adeku uses it but its just a stupid moth imo

 

[King Gumball]

Urugamosu is supossed to be "tough" since Adeku uses it but its just a stupid moth imo

Really? I think it is a completely awesome kick-ass moth thats what it is. Have you seen its moves and stats! They are awesome!

 

[Rankurusu]

I understand Game freak wanting to make Pokemon higher, but the new evolution levels are rediculous! Kurumiru doesn't evolve until level 22. That's higher then the starter's first evo!

 

[mineowyn]

Caterpie => (level 7) Metapod => (level 10) Butterfree
Kurumiru => (level 20) Kurumayu => (happiness) Hahakomori

They are stronger, but they are a pain in the arse to evolve compared to the good old times

Wait, so can someone confirm that hahakomori only evolves after you evolve kurumiru unto kurumayu, OR is the evolution line split between kurumayu and hahakomori (i.e. hahakomori is evolved from kurumiru via happiness)? Coz I have a kurumiru and bulbapedia says it can either become kurumayu or hahakomori.

 

[Haza]

I dont have a problem with any of the evolutions for what they are but some of the levels are ridiculously high...

 

[Ho-Oh]

I understand Game freak wanting to make Pokemon higher, but the new evolution levels are rediculous! Kurumiru doesn't evolve until level 22. That's higher then the starter's first evo!

Maybe that's due to Caterpie, etc evolving so low that they weren't used often and they wanted it the newer Pokemon to be used often by the time evolution came, so that people weren't so tempted to evolve them or something.

 

[Surmonter]

I understand Game freak wanting to make Pokemon higher, but the new evolution levels are rediculous! Kurumiru doesn't evolve until level 22. That's higher then the starter's first evo!

Kurumiru is also much much more stronger than the starters and past bug Pokemon found a the beginning of the game.

I used it in the small part of Black I did play, it pretty much sweeped everything I found that wasn't a fire type or flying type. It's evolution was 10 times better. Never got it to the final stage because I stopped playing, wanting to wait to play it on my DS.

 

[Maruno]

I actually don't mind the high evolution levels too much, and the odd evolution levels are interesting (like 41, 47, 59, and that kind of thing).

On the subject of radical differences in Pokémon of the same evolution line, I'd say that if we accepted the Remoraid/Octillery evolution, we could probably accept most of the evolutions here.

I never accepted Remoraid/Octillery, by the way.

Despite generally not liking gimmicky evolution methods (beauty, trade with X in party, depends on stats, location, etc.), I'm actually a bit disappointed there wasn't more of a range of new evolution methods this time. All we got was seasonal trading and specific trading (the method those helmet bugs use). Everything else was boringly normal (not to mention almost entirely methods from the first two Generations). Would it have killed Game Freak to come up with a few more variants? There's currently no "level up holding item X but only above level Y" methods, and that kind of thing is obvious in its absence.

I'm not liking the stupidly high levels many Pokémon now need to evolve. The high levels are only necessary for balancing, because Game Freak were obsessed with getting everyone to use only the Gen 5 Pokémon. It's not so much "progress" as "we don't want you to use the old stuff (from back when Pokémon was good)", and I severely dislike that pressuring. Although I will admit I don't mind it quite so much because I never do competitive battling, and I'll play with Pokémon I like rather than whatever the latest powerhouse is, but I'm sure plenty of competitive players will be a bit miffed at needing to use stupid-looking "creatures" just to keep their edge. The series is spiralling out of control, more so than people like to think.

I also don't like those Pokémon that bear little or no resemblance to their previous forms (the narwhal is an obvious example, as is Octillery to bring this post round full circle).

 

[Spikey-Eared Pichu]

IMO, the higher levels of evolution are positive sign that Pokemon's "evolving". Prior to Gen V, you'd have Pokemon that evolve in the low -teens and cap at around Lv.40, 55 if they were Dragons. Now, the game makes you work harder for those oh-so-powerful evolved forms. Plus, the random intervals at which they evolve adds a pleasant little twist to the game for gamers who'd probably expect their Pokemon to evolve at levels divisible by 5, 6, or 7.

 

[The Red Chain]

I enjoy the high evolution levels. I doubt I will when I actually play the games, and am grinding a Pokemon up to it's evolution level. That'd probably get tedious.. but as for now, I think it's a good idea. I had forgotten Kurumiru's evolution level, and like the rest of the evolution levels I'm shocked. It's strange for a regional bug to evolve at such a high level, even exceeding the starters, but it just shows how advanced Isshu is from the rest of the regions. :3

The new evolution levels will also make people work harder to obtain their goal if they're legit or don't have money, and it may also be a partnership for Action Replay to make more money haha. XD I agree on one thing though, I am very disappointed that the evolutions are mostly just pure grinding. That's incredibly painful to do, and no one likes to do it.. but sadly there is lack of trading, conditions, and evolution stones this generation. D;

This paragraph is also painful to read. I need to go back to bed. :x
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[ManhattanTheStarr]

IMO, the higher levels of evolution are positive sign that Pokemon's "evolving". Prior to Gen V, you'd have Pokemon that evolve in the low -teens and cap at around Lv.40, 55 if they were Dragons. Now, the game makes you work harder for those oh-so-powerful evolved forms. Plus, the random intervals at which they evolve adds a pleasant little twist to the game for gamers who'd probably expect their Pokemon to evolve at levels divisible by 5, 6, or 7.

But even weak Pokemon are taking FOREVER to evolve even to their middle stage! (Yeah, I'm looking at you Kurumiru and Fushide...) I mean, the two original bugs (Caterpie and Weedle) would be fully evolved by lvl. 10. O_o
But now, Kurumiru goes into only its second stage at lvl. 20!! Can you believe that? And I'm sure some people have seen its pretty weak stats...

And Fushide evolves into its second stage at lvl. 22, and is fully evolved by lvl.30. =/ And its stats aren't so great either... So I don't see how they expect for us to keep such weak Pokemon until they're up to lvl. 20 and 22. But I have nothing against these new bugs. They're probably my favorite bug Pokemon evuh~ :B

Even though that's not the worst I've seen when it comes to these new levels. Look at Wooguru and the vulture's pre-evolutions! They take all the way up to lvl. 54 to finally evolve. Crazy, amirite?

 

[Surmonter]

But even weak Pokemon are taking FOREVER to evolve even to their middle stage! (Yeah, I'm looking at you Kurumiru and Fushide...) I mean, the two original bugs (Caterpie and Weedle) would be fully evolved by lvl. 10. O_o
But now, Kurumiru goes into only its second stage at lvl. 20!! Can you believe that? And I'm sure some people have seen its pretty weak stats...

And Fushide evolves into its second stage at lvl. 22, and is fully evolved by lvl.30. =/ And its stats aren't so great either... So I don't see how they expect for us to keep such weak Pokemon until they're up to lvl. 20 and 22. But I have nothing against these new bugs. They're probably my favorite bug Pokemon evuh~ :B

Even though that's not the worst I've seen when it comes to these new levels. Look at Wooguru and the vulture's pre-evolutions! They take all the way up to lvl. 54 to finally evolve. Crazy, amirite?

I said before and I will say it again, the early stage Pokemon are really strong compared to the early stages of the past generations.

 

[Spikey-Eared Pichu]

Well, to me, it seems like a good idea. I mean, look at Wooguru, beastly, correct? So why make it easy to obtain such a powerful Pokemon? That'd just make the game stupidly easy.