Express Your Feelings Toward B/W series

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    I see Black and White as a totally "New" Series, I hate saying this, but it is Unique. Now, I've seen much People upset about it and conversely I saw people liking it. So.....I'd like you people to tell me what made you hate it and also if happy with it, tell me why. States Point..

    Let Me Start First: My Opinion....The Series is OK, Not good not bad, just fine.

    My Reasons:
    -The New Series Focused Only on totally new PkMn, all of our favorites and old memorable ones are banished (Temporarily I think)..The new ones, I like some of them yet nothing can banish my old ones...My Infernape, Charizard, Luxray...All Starters too.

    -One reason I started Watching the Series was Team Rocket! Yes them. They made the series alive and funny. Now in B/W THEY BECAME SMART!!! WHY?! The show became dull, I wish they could recover from this dramatic change in later seasons of PkMn because the show lost its joy.

    -Another thing, which isn't much prior, is the new series didn't include much of the trends pokemon had. That means, we don't have the routine of Brock being flirty and being interrupted. Team Rocket, which changed, plays part of the trend too. Not seeing them blast off and act stupid just makes me mourn the old days:( Another last trend I loved in PkMn was the fact that every girl ash meets gets her bike fried...even though it isn't a deal but I'd like to see the old routines back.

    -The last point I want to mention is Progress. The reason I admired the show was due to its realism in terms of progress. In the first season Ash was simply a NOOB, Later on, he advanced slowly. In Sinnoh, he was the best I have ever seen. He was a Real Pro, he was gonna own the League if it wasn't for the interference of Darkrai and Latios....C'mon who could have won against that!!! Still I am very glad to hear that ash is the only person in Sinnoh who was able to defeat Darkrai, above that Latios too!! Now in Black and White, Ash got reset again! Which makes me feel all the past series were vain. He became so weak!! Losing to a starter trainer! C'mon!! The show became stupid..I know it is wrong to make him win all his way through all opponents but not like that?! So from n ow on and above I want to see progress, I dont care much if Ash wins a League, I jsut want to see him be good. Losing a League doesn't disturb me but now, Ash should be capable of winning one, especially after watching Sinnoh. His experience should bring him to victory, making him lose will make the show stupid rather than real...

    So thanks for reading this and I'd like to see your opinion people!! Please post what bothers you or makes you happy about B/W, my fingers are dead writing all what I wrote, so if u have anything to correct me in..please do! PLEASE BE OBJECTIVE!! DONT GO LIKE "I hate B/W becoz it doesn't feature this girl", be objective rather than so desperate like that. State general reason and logical ones too.:knockedou
     
    I like it.

    Ash is catching more Pokemon (who have all been showcased at one time or another, bar Roggenrolla, so I couldn't care less about them not getting equal screentime), Cilan and Iris have rivals, Trip is a pretty good rival, pacing is good, more comedy via facial expressions/Cilan's fabulousness, Team Rocket not being their Sinnoh selves (FOUR YEARS of them doing nothing of importance? Jeez) and actually being plot-relevant, the Battle Clubs...

    Gyms seem to be the only thing that's lackluster, what with Tepig being in every gym thus far and Pikachu somehow beating a Leavanny with a move that shouldn't have been any more effective than a Splash.
     
    -The last point I want to mention is Progress. The reason I admired the show was due to its realism in terms of progress. In the first season Ash was simply a NOOB, Later on, he advanced slowly. In Sinnoh, he was the best I have ever seen. He was a Real Pro, he was gonna own the League if it wasn't for the interference of Darkrai and Latios....C'mon who could have won against that!!! Still I am very glad to hear that ash is the only person in Sinnoh who was able to defeat Darkrai, above that Latios too!! Now in Black and White, Ash got reset again! Which makes me feel all the past series were vain. He became so weak!! Losing to a starter trainer! C'mon!! The show became stupid..I know it is wrong to make him win all his way through all opponents but not like that?! So from n ow on and above I want to see progress, I dont care much if Ash wins a League, I jsut want to see him be good. Losing a League doesn't disturb me but now, Ash should be capable of winning one, especially after watching Sinnoh. His experience should bring him to victory, making him lose will make the show stupid rather than real...
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    I was about to say progression went out the window after they reset him during Sinnoh and now Unova then a I read the last part. And the show isn't about being "real". If you look around the forum and see a recent topic of Ash still being 10 you would know realism isn't what pokemon is about. Yes Ash becoming incompetent losing to a Snivy isn't realist but it is what it is because the writers seem to have a love for resetting Ash and Pikachu.

    Now for my review of Best Wishes thus far.

    Ash - Starts the series out is a complete utter fool. Yes whats new with these reset trends over the years. Then he slowly progresses from start to end of the region. He seems to be the same as in past seasons "OMG a pokemon gotta capture it" so not much has changed really. I still find his heroic nature and trying to help pokemon in trouble admirable. Seems like he is focusing more on training his pokemon this season or maybe it's just me. I have seen him do training on several occasions be it at Battle Club, out in the wild training Oshawott to master Aqua Jet or having Scraggy do sparring matches. I don't care much for his for his team makeup tbh, he gets all three starters again which I would prefer just one to three, other then that I am fine with the team and I am glad he already captured 9 pokes and we aren't even to the fourth gym yet.

    Cilan - I like Cilan character probably more so then any of the companions in a long time, since to me Brock was getting dull. Cilan has many different sides to him which I like and feel it lends itself great to his character. He can be a Connoisseur one minute then a fishermen the next, or maybe a detective, oh and he cooks as well. Yes Cilan is a bit on the feminine side, but then again Misty was also tomboyish expect when she got all mushy about romantic stuff. I like that they gave him a rival character in Burgundy, which seems to be lacking for Brock. We actually get to see Cilan battle from time to time which is more then I can say about Brock(sorry Brock if it sounds like I am taking shots, still love you and you womanizing ways <3).

    Iris - She starts out so annoying. I mean if I was Ash I would have ***** slapped her for saying "What a kid" to me all the time. She is one to talk though since her Excadrill wouldn't obey her still BW036. Which is about the only episode for me where she got a good deal of character development. I guess she got a little during the episode where you captured Emolga. For me I need to see more out of her character and goals. So Iris you want to be a Dragon Master eh? Well then show me, train up that little Axew then and maybe we can see your goals come to fruition. Yes it mastered Dragon Rage, but what has it does since then? Like I said I really want too see more out of Iris character. And I am glad she also has a rival in Langley which is pretty heated I must say since their both jerks to each other.

    Team Rocket - As far as I am concerned they can just leave the show for good. Through the first 25 episodes they brought something new and interesting to the table, but now they are the same ole Team Rocket. Please just go already, you have tried to steal Pikachu hundreds of times and failed, I am sick of seeing you attempt any more, just live with you fail and try something else with your lives. I am glad they don't show up every episode(or almost every episode) like they used to, I have just gotten sick of them and their antics after 14 years.

    Trip - Typical jerk of a rival. Gets a Snivy kicks Pikachu but. Gets to Battle Club in BW010 already has two evolved pokemon, clearly stronger then Ash and pretty much curb stomps him. Episode 31 he may have gained a little respect of Ash since their match finally ended in a tie. He also pointed out Oshawott flaw with its Aqua Jet, which was funny a rookie trainer could see but Ash couldn't figure it out. We saw a bit of his back story, which he seems to have an admiration for Alder. Also maybe he lost to Cilan will make him less high and mighty but I kind of doubt that.

    As for the series as a whole I love the companions up until now, the lack of Team Rocket, the amount of captures Ash has gotten. The pacing was pretty good, I don't see many fillers and most of the ones I do see were pretty good. I am hoping we get to see those episodes on Plasma soon so I can form and opinion on them. Seems like Ash and Co. have a lot of rivals to contend with this season so I am satisfied.
     
    I like Best Wishes. I like how Team Rocket became serious throughout the series and showed up less frequently. I also like the characters of Iris and Cilan.
     
    Even though I only watched the first few episodes online I fell for Oshawott's cute voice! - Can't believe that's actually Lisa Ortiz.
     
    You guys have really good point of views. Let me recall though that I don't hate this new series, I just mourn the old memories of Pokemon and their trends. Seeing a dramatic change just left me in a shock thats all. However, I like Cilan and Iris, but its just that I was raised with Brock and I had deep admiration for dawn (of course the old girls too). So seeing things change like that made me thought they won't appear again. About Team Rocket.....The only reason I like Team Rocket is the reason why most ppl hate them. You see, the idea of following Ash for pikachu for 13 seasons just makes me laugh. I don't laugh at their jokes, I laugh at them!! Because its a routine, you just know they are gonna fail, and blast off, so I just laugh at their stupid trails
     
    Kenshin5 said:
    Team Rocket - As far as I am concerned they can just leave the show for good. Through the first 25 episodes they brought something new and interesting to the table, but now they are the same ole Team Rocket. Please just go already, you have tried to steal Pikachu hundreds of times and failed, I am sick of seeing you attempt any more, just live with you fail and try something else with your lives. I am glad they don't show up every episode(or almost every episode) like they used to, I have just gotten sick of them and their antics after 14 years.
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    According to Shudo, the guy who created Team Rocket (and possibly the main characters, but I'm not certain), Team Rocket both keeps the show alive and attracts more mature audiences. Without them, the show would be a plain anime focusing on monster battling like so many others. Too bad he died; he won't be there to defend them.

    If Team Rocket were to leave, the show would become even more repetitive in my opinion. At least they get some character development and bring (or brought) humour into the show while Ash just catches Pokemon and beats gyms year after year. I like their serious BW personalities, but I'm happy their old and funny selves reappear from time to time.
     
    I love Best Wishes, would like to give a quick summary of what I think of the series.


    Ash-I always will like him, even when he gets a reset every series and each generation he wears such awesome clothes. Really love how heroic he is and how cluless he is about love, too funny. I also love how he battles, no matter him getting a reset. Ok, lets just say he's my favorite character of the series each generation.

    Iris-She's funny at times, her past is kind of intresting as time goes on and she has a intresting personality. However, now I know Ash acts kiddish at times but he has been around for a while now and done so many battles/leagues that it gets annoying to hear her say he's such a kid, so I do hope she stops saying that.

    Dento-Now this guy is a hoot, hes funny and I like that he has a rival and actually does things.

    Trip-Well, he's no Paul who was my favorite rival but maybe now no one will match up with him??? Well, if N became his rival maybe but. I mean, hes a newbie compared to Ash, so the fact that hes making fun of him and his town well. I'm hopping later on in the series he introduces Trip to his home town, meets his friends Brock/Misty/Gary who are his friends and really great at fighting. I also really want Trip to hear what Ash has done, he needs to hear this ><

    Bel-Love her, she cracks me up and I love her interactions with Ash and really hope she makes it far in the league and fights Ash unlike Barry sadly.

    Animation-At times it can be really wonderful, makes me happy that they use different animation. Some times, it can look weird but other than that I'm fine with it and don't care about Ash's new look, in fact I really love it.

    Voice actors-I feel Ash's new voice has gotten ten times better since AG. Dento's is perfect of course, I don't see a problem with Iris and Ok I love every voice actor in Best Wishes.

    Team Rocket Trio: Started out epic at the start, thought they were going some where with Team Rocket V.S Team Plasma, but later on down the road they turned back to them old selfs and not really that funny but oh wells. Plus, doesn't look like will ever get back to the Team Rocket V.S Team Plasma plot due to what happened meh.

    No older characters appearing??? Other than the fact that I feel its unfair that Dawn didn't get a cameo, unlike the past female girls but maybe later on she will?? Maybe its too soon to say this?? Dawn and Brock could still appear. Understandable if they don't the entire region, since its a pretty far region. Maybe at the end, when Ash visits his home town.

    The Best Wishes Pokemon: I'm fine with all the Pokemon every character has caught, Pikachu being here is a give in of course and I like the guy so.
     
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    I've only really watched a few episodes, but I can say that in terms of character development, this season is a bit of a mess. While I like the developments with Team Rocket and Trip, Ash's development seems to have been curb stomped so hard, he's forgotten everything he's ever known about Pokemon.

    From capturing a Pokemon to being unable to use those veteran instincts to realise what was wrong with Oshawott and its Aqua Jet, (what bothers me so much is he was acting all pro with Buizel in D/P, but in B/W, he's all like, "Whut's this!?") its developments like these that really make me wish they would cast a different protagonist that I can actually get behind and not feel compelled to facepalm whenever he says or does something exceedingly dumb. His one 'saving grace', if there must be one, is that he's extremely motivated in helping Pokemon and Trainers in need, to the point that he'll go out of his way to help them; even putting himself in mortal danger. But worse about that is he puts others and his own Pokemon in that same danger, which breeds an air of recklessness about him.

    The one thing that let's him down is that the writers are too scared to give him any measure of success, which is infinitely evident in the conclusion of the D/P saga when they threw in some random twiddlestick to just own the heck out of him without breaking a sweat. I've ALWAYS hated that kind of bad writing, and though it would have been a different way of kicking fans in the face, I would have rather had Ash actually put up a fight, rather than just bow out like the tool he is.

    That's kind of why I have a slight issue with this current season; Ash's failures haven't been (for the most part) because of his lack of understanding of the Region he is now in, nor the Pokemon he is now training... they've been because he's made some monumentally stupid rookie mistakes, which have been covered over by the writers to look like a lack of understanding of things, when really, they're the kind of mistakes he shouldn't be making.

    One that I liked was when Frillish disabled one of Ash's Pokemon with Cursed Body. Now I can understand that, because Ash has never encountered that kind of ability before, and pretty much anyone would have been knocked for six had that happened to them.

    One I didn't like was hearing that it took Trip, the ACTUAL ROOKIE of this season, to point out that the VETERAN WHO HAS BEEN THROUGH 5 REGIONS' Oshawott was closing its eyes when using Aqua Jet, which was why it was uncontrollable. It makes Ash look like a complete Psyduck and lower-than-rookie, in terms of Trainer capability.

    Though frankly, I've not paid attention to this season primarily because I was too Mankey'd off at how they rounded off Ash's bid for the Sinnoh League. So I'm probably not the best person to talk all that much about it. But from what I've seen and/or heard, there's not really a whole lot of interesting stuff going on. I get dibs on Ash losing in yet another disappointing display come the Unova League.
     
    I'm liking it now that it's gotten back to its roots a bit since the tangent early in this season.

    Ash seems fine. Sure, he lost a bit of his edge since last season, but he always looses a bit of his edge. We don't even know how much time he took off between seasons. It could have been a whole summer. My first day back at school when I was that age, I was lucky I still remembered how to read. At the beginning of the Sinnoh saga, I must have been shaking my fist at the tv shouting "He beat the Regis for crying out loud!" I'm predicting that nobody will be complaining about his ineptitude when the Unova championships start.

    As for Cilan and Iris, I would have said that they were a cheap knockoff of Brock and Misty at first, but then I found out that when Iris was saying "What a little kid" she was projecting. She's a really deep character for this kind of show. There's a lot more psychology going on there than her just being hypocritical. As for Cilan... well he's still a cheap knockoff of Brock as far as I'm concerned.

    Team Rocket is fine now that they've become the comic relief again. Complaining about them because they keep going after pikachu is like complaining about Gilligan because he keeps trying to get off that island. If Gilligan's Island turned into LOST after a couple seasons because a handfull of fans got tired of the goofy, implausible escape plans, the show would be disingenuous on both fronts and would have no fans at all.

    Trip is ok. He's no Paul, but he has time to develop as a character. The only thing that ever really bothered me was his use of Leaf Tornado immediately after getting his Snivy. He had no time to train it and presumably the Snivy should have been at a low level. THe only reason I could think of for Trip getting such a Ringer as his first pokemon is if it was set up that way... Maybe Trip's father is a crime lord in Unova and his thugs forced Juniper to give him a well trained, obedient Snivy to start with. I doubt that would be the case though... if Trip was the son of Unova's Godfather, he'd probably be a bit of a high-society snob or something, going around telling guys that he feels threatened by that they're low class and come from the boonies.
     
    I think Ash will get better as the series goes on, kind of seems that way in the newer episodes at least.
     
    Well... It fails somehow.
    In the last episode of the Series before Black/White, Ash's Pikachu beat a Latios.
    Now in Black/White, he fails against a Starter Pokémon. ô0

    But well, Brock isn't in the Anime anymore, that's a really really sad fact, I liked him. But he was just an unimportant role in the last episodes, because he had nothing to do.

    I like the quality in the Anime and the drawing style, even if some of the Pokémon voices fail sometimes. ^^
     
    I just like how the series focuses only on the new Pokemon (other than Pikachu and Meowth) I love how the new Pokemon have different personalities. To me, it seems like they put more effort into putting the personalities into each Pokemon, even some wild ones like Sandile (well the newly evolved Krokrok) and the Ducklett episode.


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    BTW, This post isn't dead yet..I am reading everything and I LOVE What you ppl have in mind. I'd like to recall the show isn't bad, yet the previous series was much logical, progressive and superior..I gotta say that the older PkMns were so cool. Unova PkMns..Well, they look weird at the start but you get the hang of them..In fact, I love them now (Not as much as previous PkMn). And I'd like to ask, What happened to Team Rocket, I see posts saying that they reverted back somehow. I didn't see B/W fully yet, I am still in the first 20 Epsiodes and I stopped, so I wanna know how's Team Rocket doing.
     
    When I think of the Black and White series, I try to think of it as a "new" series altogether. However, it's kind of hard to forget the past. I'm not saying I don't enjoy the show for what it is now, but I'm not completely into it as I thought I would have been... at least not yet. I'll break it down by character seeing as that might be easier to explain.

    Ash
    For us it's been years, for Ash it's only been the time span of just one year. Regardless, he's accomplished a lot; Sinnoh probably being his high point so far. Looking at him in Black and White, the writers have really put him down a few notches. Now, I know this is a whole new region with Pokémon he's unfamiliar with, but it's not Ash's first time away somewhere new, and I wish the writers would remember that. I don't think it'd hurt to keep a little bit of experience in him. At least then Iris wouldn't have to be calling him a kid all the time. Other than B&W making him a total beginner all over again, I do like the idea that they're allowing him to make a lot of captures in the show. It's always nice to see some alterations in the team every so often.

    Iris
    You know, I really don't know where I stand with Iris. She's alright at times, and then she can also be annoying. Like her famous line towards Ash, "You're such a kid." It was cute the first couple of times, but then it just got old really fast. I like that she has history though. It's always interesting getting to know more about her past, and I hope the writers have more to share on that now that they covered how she got Axew and the story behind her Excadrill.

    Cilan
    There's not a lot I have to say about Cilan to be honest. I like his character. Sure, his recipe lines can be a little overbearing at times, but I think between him and Iris, I prefer him more. I actually prefer him over Brock too. Of course he's still new, so there's always the chance the writers will throw him under the bus like Brock and give him more or less nothing to do later on, but I'm hoping they learned from that mistake and don't go at it again.

    The Group
    As a whole, I don't feel a lot of chemistry between Ash, Iris, and Cilan and that's where it kind of puts me off in the show. I mean, they're together, but it doesn't feel like there's much bonding between the characters. With the original trio, then with May and Max apart of the group, and later Dawn it always felt like the group got along well. But with Iris, Cilan, and Ash they all express themselves so much as individuals that it feels as though they're not so much the greatest of traveling friends yet.

    Team Rocket
    Loved them when they were under strict operation, but since Giovanni let them do whatever they want, its been nothing but the same of what we had before Black and White started. The same Team Rocket trying to capture Pikachu again, and instead of blasting off they just drift off. First time? Cool. The next few times, it's pretty much a substitute of their blast offs except it's supposed to make them look more... "bad" for a lack of a better term. I don't necessarily miss their comedic aspects they brought to the show, because they're schemes got very old and tiring and the show seems to be doing well without it.

    Trip
    Sorry to say, but I don't like his character at all. Compared to Paul, and even Gary, he just doesn't live up to them. I don't mind that he's a starting trainer, but his arrogance and cockiness sets me off. Not to mention, he just doesn't add much to the story other than just showing up and giving Ash a challenge every once in awhile. It's not like Paul who added to the plot of the DP series or Gary who felt more like a childhood rivalry. So yeah, I'm not really all too keen on Trip.

    Overall, Black and White has been doing well. I have those episodes that I really enjoy, and then there are those that are just alright. I still have yet to really feel my way into the series like I've done with those before it, but hopefully as the show progresses and we get more into the plot, I'll grow to enjoy it more. What I really want above all is to feel like the group has more chemistry than it does now. If it can do that, then I'll enjoy it a lot more with extra interest.
     
    I really like Best Wishes, though.. it was pretty.. plain.

    I'm still disgusted at this; "How the hell did Team Rocket became so smart? They start to look like NSA agents (or maybe because of the presence of Team Plasma, when they have to be extra careful)".

    Iris is such a ***** for saying to Ash "What a kid" almost in every episode, but hey, he just came to the Unova region, and so what? He doesn't know EVERYTHING in the region, correct?

    IMO Cilan is so French-ish or that is absolutely true. His cooking whenever the Group is about to have a meal boosts the chemistry of the whole team. Looking at how frequent he uses Pansage gives me creeps that he have favoritism.

    Trip is such a jerk, he must have underestimated Ash, if he had known Ash have beaten 5 Pokemon Leagues he would have made Ash an idol. But I think that's why Ash isn't showing his other previous-regions gym badges. Its to 'promote' the new Pokemon in the Unova Region, I mean using Torterra and Infernape in a later season sucks when you have a whole 200 more to choose from... It would ruin the New-Generation feeling.
     
    Genesect said:
    Iris is such a ***** for saying to Ash "What a kid" almost in every episode, but hey, he just came to the Unova region, and so what? He doesn't know EVERYTHING in the region, correct?

    Trip is such a jerk, he must have underestimated Ash, if he had known Ash have beaten 5 Pokemon Leagues he would have made Ash an idol. But I think that's why Ash isn't showing his other previous-regions gym badges. Its to 'promote' the new Pokemon in the Unova Region, I mean using Torterra and Infernape in a later season sucks when you have a whole 200 more to choose from... It would ruin the New-Generation feeling.
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    The what a kid thing is annoying that was the only thing I didn't care for about her. As far as Trip being a jerk so what... Was Gary nice during Kanto saga? Was Paul ever nice to Ash? No and No. Ash has beaten five leagues? More like gotten to four leagues and lost all four 4. All he won is Orange Islands and Battle Frontier. Hardly something to make an idol over. Regardless if he had such a stellar record his Pikachu still lost to Trip Snivy(which was just obtained). Oh noes Thunderbolt and Volt Tackle don't work!!! Then use Iron Tail or Quick Attack -_-. They want to reset him every generation so there wouldn't be point to show his accomplishments he has garnered in the past anyways. As people have said in the past, they bring pokemon from past generation as a fan service move cause some past fans want to see pokemon like Charizard, Bulbasaur, Squirtle, Sceptile, etc. I don't see the big deal though if Ash caught a bunch of pokemon he wouldn't have time to give much of them development anyways.
     
    Kenshin5 said:
    The what a kid thing is annoying that was the only thing I didn't care for about her. As far as Trip being a jerk so what... Was Gary nice during Kanto saga? Was Paul ever nice to Ash? No and No. Ash has beaten five leagues? More like gotten to four leagues and lost all four 4. All he won is Orange Islands and Battle Frontier. Hardly something to make an idol over. Regardless if he had such a stellar record his Pikachu still lost to Trip Snivy(which was just obtained). Oh noes Thunderbolt and Volt Tackle don't work!!! Then use Iron Tail or Quick Attack -_-. They want to reset him every generation so there wouldn't be point to show his accomplishments he has garnered in the past anyways. As people have said in the past, they bring pokemon from past generation as a fan service move cause some past fans want to see pokemon like Charizard, Bulbasaur, Squirtle, Sceptile, etc. I don't see the big deal though if Ash caught a bunch of pokemon he wouldn't have time to give much of them development anyways.
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    The only fan service that cause fans to see past Pokemon are Bulbasaur, Charizard,Squirtle ,not Sceptile,but Ash isn't going to used his old Pokemon at all during the Unova region.

    The Best wishes series is a step above DP series which was a epic fail,Trip is a really great replacement over Paul who didn't add nothing to the DP series plot,Paul was a bland boring rival he was ok but not that great,Gary was the best since he and Ash been rivals since they were little kids.

    Trip is a much better rival for Ash then Paul never even came close to ever being,Team Rocket is more serious then they ever had been before and Ash is finally full of life again which makes this series the best.

    Pokemon season 1 will always be the best season ever.
     
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