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I need help everyone ;;

I'm trying to write an actual novel, but it's just so overwhelming! I don't know how to actually finish it ._.;
 
I only read a few chapters of The Legendarian Chronicles, as that's all that was posted at another forum I've been too and I've been too lazy to catch up on it. It's a bit hazy, but as I recall I was sorta on the fence about it.

I incorporate new regions fairly smoothly; generally, I make the excuse that, while the region was there all along, it had only recently become industrialized enough to create its own centralized League and thus trainers would only recently have begun to migrate back and forth to that region, bringing the new pok?mon back with them. The region released with D/P is going to mess up my timeline, though, since I haven't used any of the new pok?mon...

As for having the perseverence to go through with an original novel, I would just approach it the same way you would a chapterfic. Most completed chapterfics are long enough to be novels.
 
Well, when I first started writing The Quest for the Legends, there were only 251 Pok?mon. I just subtly started including some Hoenn references after the games came out in English (I did not want to make the awkward mistake of referring to a Pok?mon or attack by its Japanese name in the story and then leave readers who don't know the Japanese stuff clueless after the games came out in English). The excuse was, along with being the excuse for why the Ouen Pok?mon had never shown up in any of the previous regions, that Kanto Pok?mon had spread the most around the world, the Johto ones second most, the Hoenn ones second least and the Ouen ones almost not at all.
 
Kats said:
I'm trying to write an actual novel, but it's just so overwhelming! I don't know how to actually finish it ._.;
When you say 'novel', do you mean a fanfic, or a real-life novel like 'Holes'?
Negrek said:
I only read a few chapters of The Legendarian Chronicles, as that's all that was posted at another forum I've been too and I've been too lazy to catch up on it. It's a bit hazy, but as I recall I was sorta on the fence about it.
She's gotten a few chapters done, but she had ta survive a two-month ban from the comp, so she hasn't gotten much done. She's posted about two chapters since then(I think).

I incorporate new regions fairly smoothly; generally, I make the excuse that, while the region was there all along, it had only recently become industrialized enough to create its own centralized League and thus trainers would only recently have begun to migrate back and forth to that region, bringing the new pok?mon back with them. The region released with D/P is going to mess up my timeline, though, since I haven't used any of the new pok?mon...
Rukario had trapped all the new ones in the region, except for some escapees. XD
As for having the perseverence to go through with an original novel, I would just approach it the same way you would a chapterfic. Most completed chapterfics are long enough to be novels.
Yeah, as long as the chapters are long enough. Some of these chapters are only eight pages or less long, making for a shorter ficcy. XP 8o

Anybody else notice that the Big Authors(the ones that are talked about) are generally girls? Chibi Pika, Dragonfree, Breezy, etc. Yamato-San is talked about some, and a coupla other guys, but not like the gals.

Maybe I'm going paranoid. XD

?SilverBlaze09?
 
I may be a male fanfic writer who's brought up a bit, but my writing style and such seems to be in a class all its own (you know, with the future doujinshi outlining and all), so I may not count.

New regions.... meh, don't really bother with it. Newer Pokemon could appear in the background later on, but I shouldn't concern myself for reasons why a certain region was never brought up before, considering a huge portion of the storyline (if not all of it, I want to leave you all guessing for now) takes place inside the Jouto region. Even though I can honestly say nearly all my inspiration comes from a large mixture of various anime, I could also say quite a bit of it came from Toshihiro Ono's Dengeki Pikachu manga. I loved the way he was able to pull off the world in such a mature and realistic fashion, with the cities being futuristic metropolises that seem only fitting in a world with technology advanced enough to send solid matter over a computer network. Also, when I get a doujinshi underway, I'd like my Pokemon to look that realistically detailed as well.

Anyway, he never let the presence of new Pokemon bother him. Sure, he was only adapting the Kantou and Orange regions of the anime, but at the same time, Jouto Pokemon were now coming into the picture by the time the manga was ending, yet with the exception of Lugia (who's a rare legendary anyway), he never once showcased them. Random pieces of artwork aside, his manga didn't note the existance of Pokemon like Marill, Bellossom, Pichu, or others that seem extremely common yet no one in Kantou has seen or heard about them until recently (which, with their communications technology, would make no sense). It's possible for one to say that in his manga, the number of Pokemon stayed at the old 151 plus the recently-discovered Lugia. I guess I'd like to make PMC the same..... that, or just never once note the number of Pokemon being at "386" or have people being shocked when a Diamond/Pearl Pokemon does show up, thereby throwing my consistency out of whack (I can assume by the time D/P comes out, I'll still be drafting the storyline). Besides, my story's not meant to be an advertisement for Nintendo in the first place, so there shouldn't be any reason for a 4th generation Pokemon to show up at all (unless I found one to be particularly fitting for a certain scenario).

Dragonfree...... you call your made-up region "Ouen", eh? You do realize that means "cheering", don't you? I watched the first Plusle & Minun episode in Japanese recently, and that word came up quite a lot.
 
I wouldn't exactly call 'Holes' a novel SilverBlade :P Novel to me is more like 'The Tommyknockers' By Stephen King.

And yes, that's what I mean. As I touched on before, I'm a writer...not a rabid fanficer XD It's just that I occasionally write half baked fics when I'm bored :P
 
Hmm, could someone tell me if 'SilverBlade' is a nickname or a typo? XD
Kats said:
I wouldn't exactly call 'Holes' a novel SilverBlade :P Novel to me is more like 'The Tommyknockers' By Stephen King.
Novel (noun) 1: an invented prose narrative that is usually long and complex and deals especially with human experience through a usually connected sequence of events. 2: the literary type constituted by novels.

Straight from 'Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary'. I'd say 'Holes' is novel-ish. It deals with human experience, it is long(fifty chapters), with complex connected sequences of events, right? XD
Kats said:
And yes, that's what I mean. As I touched on before, I'm a writer...not a rabid fanficer XD It's just that I occasionally write half baked fics when I'm bored :P
Ah, okay.

Well, I can just say to keep working. When you're not writing on it, plan for the next batch of plot stuff. Keep working. XP I love my advice, so dreary. XD
Yamato-San said:
I may be a male fanfic writer who's brought up a bit, but my writing style and such seems to be in a class all its own (you know, with the future doujinshi outlining and all), so I may not count.
It still counts, and that's what makes you one of the top whatever-number-you-can-think-of. 'Yamato-San is the only decent (script writer) one out there.' That's a quote that a lotta people drop(outta context, of course).

?SilverBlaze09?
 
I guess I don't consider myself much of a fanfic writer because, to be honest (and I may be repeating here), I hardly treat my own work as a fanfiction since I sorely look down upon fanficdom. I know it's a hobby that everyone's doing in their spare time, but to me, it seems a bit sad that about everyone's writing a fanfic, and it only seems as though their work will stay a fanfic. Nothing more, never to see the light of day outside the internet. Even with hobbies, people will usually strive to be the best, to look like professionals. I realize there're legal issues involving fanfiction, but can't these writers do anything more? Publish in a local magazine? Or even leave it on the net but really get the word out about it (as it stands, most authors are lucky to get 10,000 views, and god only knows what fraction of that number has stuck around to keep reading). Hell, if you know a second language, make a version of your work in that language so you can be proud thinking you have a whole other nationality reading what you wrote. With a doujinshi, you can do pretty much all of this and actually get it legally published in one of the most populated areas on earth (I know I'm only focusing on net scans at the moment, but I think I'm proving my point that, if I happened to go overseas, or find a penpal and pull a few strings through use of stuff like a paypal account, it's possible for me to actually sell this).

There's also the fact that it's just not very attractive. About anyone, even the n00bs, can just write a fanfic, and likewise, about anyone, even the undereducated underclassed bums (OK, I know there were good, poetic writers like that, but still), can get a novel published in real life. Fics and novels are alike in that they're just words, and no one can tell how impressive the writing is by first glance, and most people don't even like to sit around reading pictureless books. So ask yourself, why would they take time out of their day just to read enough into your fic to distinguish whether or not it's fit to be with the rest of the excrement that infests the world of writing? With artwork, it's just a matter of showing off a very nicely-drawn or very cool looking scene, and BAM, people are hooked almost instantly. There's also the aspect of it looking like commercial manga, which have been growing more popular over here recently.

Other people may not feel the same.... some may think it's all fine so long as they're enjoying it, or have their close friends and a few others reading their work, not caring how professional it looks, and can simply drop it all when they feel like it. I respect such people's opinions, but as you can see, such a thing is not meant for me. It's enjoyable to write, to let some people see my story, but I want many more to look at it, and I want to present it in the finest way I could possibly manage. All my life, I've been extremely big on multimedias, particularly of the Japanese variant, and considering this is an opportunity to make my very own manga (even if an unofficial doujinshi), and I already got a huge amount of the story planned out and developed as is without starting up a new story, I'm definitely not gonna be one to dump this project. No matter how many years it takes (would probably take less depending on how much of my free time I invest.... I intend not to let it take over my life like some ultra-geek might), no matter how unprofitable it may be, and even if I'm only saying this in the early drafting stage right now, I'm determined to see it through to the end. It is for these reasons that I don't want to feel restricted to the status of a simple "fanfic writer".

But god..... first, I gotta get in my next chapter of said draft. It's so friggin hot right now, making it hard to sit down, concentrate, and type the thing. When I do decide to sit down, it seems so easy to get myself distracted by..... well..... checking up on forums such as this ^^'. It's already been about 3 months, so I should really stop slacking on this like I am.
 
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SilverBlaze09 said:
Hmm, could someone tell me if 'SilverBlade' is a nickname or a typo? XD

Blaze ~ Blade. I like blade better. It's a nickname XD

Novel (noun) 1: an invented prose narrative that is usually long and complex and deals especially with human experience through a usually connected sequence of events. 2: the literary type constituted by novels.

Straight from 'Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary'. I'd say 'Holes' is novel-ish. It deals with human experience, it is long(fifty chapters), with complex connected sequences of events, right? XD

Oh yes...I know it's a novel XD But would I call it one? No :P

Ah, okay.

Well, I can just say to keep working. When you're not writing on it, plan for the next batch of plot stuff. Keep working. XP I love my advice, so dreary. XD

ZOMG! I'd die if I had to eat/breath/live fanficing XD

?SilverBlaze09?

CHARACTER BYPASSING! W00TNESS! :D They should fix this bug ~.~;
 
Yamato-San said:
I guess I don't consider myself much of a fanfic writer because, to be honest (and I may be repeating here), I hardly treat my own work as a fanfiction since I sorely look down upon fanficdom.
When I start doing that, I technicalize. What I(and Dragonfree and LilyPichu and, yes, you) do is FanFiction as an art; we try to do our best, we try to perfect it, we try to improve. And it sometimes is beauty.

What n00bs do is turn a perfectly good form of art into a crime against humanity. Which is why Niko is around. XD I mean, when you not only produce something that can't be called 'ugly' because you'd be insulting the word, when you growl and snap against kindhearted*cough* people who are trying to help, and you can't think of something original, and then expect glowing praises of it, I can't think of any other word than 'criminal'.
Kats said:
Blaze ~ Blade. I like blade better. It's a nickname XD
Suh-weet! XD
Oh yes...I know it's a novel XD But would I call it one? No :P
Why? Because it's not at least fifty years old? XD
ZOMG! I'd die if I had to eat/breath/live fanficing XD
Uh, I meant novelizing. You'll survive a tad longer than fanficcing. XDXDXD
CHARACTER BYPASSING! W00TNESS! :D They should fix this bug ~.~;
That's why I take the quotes in lumps. Then I have no trouble with SPAMming and CHARACTER LIMITS!

I still hate the 20,000 limit, it's too short for nice-length chapters... XP

Why is it only 20,000, anyway?

?SilverBlaze09?
 
SilverBlaze09 said:
When I start doing that, I technicalize. What I(and Dragonfree and LilyPichu and, yes, you) do is FanFiction as an art; we try to do our best, we try to perfect it, we try to improve. And it sometimes is beauty.

You forgot me on that list >0

What n00bs do is turn a perfectly good form of art into a crime against humanity. Which is why Niko is around. XD I mean, when you not only produce something that can't be called 'ugly' because you'd be insulting the word, when you growl and snap against kindhearted*cough* people who are trying to help, and you can't think of something original, and then expect glowing praises of it, I can't think of any other word than 'criminal'.

Thank goodness for Niko :laugh:

Suh-weet! XD

Yep =D

Why? Because it's not at least fifty years old? XD

No. Because it's "Children's Fiction" :P

Uh, I meant novelizing. You'll survive a tad longer than fanficcing. XDXDXD

Maybe a bit longer ;)


?SilverBlade09?

I'll just be happy SPAMMING my posts :P It doesn't matter to me that I have to add extra text at the end~
 
Kats said:
You forgot me on that list >0
I haven't read any Pok?mon FF by you, so I don't know how good you are.

I coulda added a large buncha people to the list, and they woulda deserved to be on it. I just mentioned the first few people that came to mind. XD
Thank goodness for Niko :laugh:
We should throw a party for him or something. XP XD He puts up with us and keeps our eyes from going berserk and stuff. XD
No. Because it's "Children's Fiction" :P
*shrugs* Ah, well. Difference of opinion.

Of course, you can't call the 'Star Wars' Espanded Universe 'children's fiction'. XD I just mentioned 'Holes' because I knew that it was technically a novel, and it was one a lotta people were familiar with. XD

Heh, I'm having fun writing my battle for teh 'FFBattle' thread. I'm going with the 'secret agent'-type thing. XD Waaayyy too much fun. XD When I saved it in MSWord, I unintentionally made a pun when I called it 'Deathmatch'. XD It gets meaner as it goes. XD

Question: What are some common things you've noticed about fics that have made it and fics that didn't?

Most of the successful fics I've seen had the following items attached:

1. The authors were over the age of twelve
2. They were usually non-OT fics
3. They were either catagorized as 'Humor', 'Darkfic', and/or 'Action'.

The bad ones... *grinds teeth*:

1. 97% written by nine-or-eleven-year-olds
2. 90% of them were OT
3. Always shorter than six pages MSWord

?SilverBlaze09?
 
When you say 6 pages...single or double spaced? ._.;
Sorry, I was thinking double-spaced.

Blocks of text are common among badfics, and they're rarely a full two pages long, and never longer. XP

?SilverBlaze09?
 
Icky blocks. XD

I hate when people smush dialogue like

"blah"
"blah"
"endless"
"blabbering"

:P
 
Yamato-san, some people don't aspire to be professional writers. Obviously, you're very passionate about writer's, but a lot of people aren't. I write because I enjoy it. I use writing as a medium to show my dreams and explain my ideas because I can't draw. I write Original-Non Canon stories; I NEVER use characters that have been introduced in the anime. Does it cost me views? Heck yeah. Does the fact that I dislike romance hurt me? Yup. I don't really care if not all that many people read it as long as those that do enjoy it and see things as I do. I did an experiment and, under a different pen-name, wrote a lemon (I dislike doing that). As it stands... that crappy one-shot lemon scored more views than my 15-chapter, ongoing OT story. Does that upset me? Yeah, it does, but people will read what they want. I want people to read my work, but if I'm not going to aspire to be a writer, I'm not going to go through unprofitable means to try to get a story written just for enjoyment published.

Just a disagreement.
 
Secret agent Death, eh? XD I was trying to think of someplace where I was going to be able to use that name somewhat plausibly; initially, I was going to actually make your character Death, but then I realized that you had given him ghost pok?mon and it wouldn't work and I was sad. *cries river*

Anyway... I would say some common trends in great fanfic that I've seen, except that it wouldn't be fair, as I read only certain kinds of fanfiction. For example, I could say that most good fictions are about original characters, but this is unfair because I read so few (read: as few as I can get away with) 'fics involving the anime characters. I could say that most good 'fics are action/adventure ones, but that would be unfair because I avoid romance 'fics like the plague. There are good 'fics in every category, in every genre, and written by people of all age demographics. Period.

As for OT 'fics being (generally) bad... you obviously haven't read most of the good OT 'fics...
 
And hello again everyone ^^

I'm back from my holiday (with my legs still hurting real bad because I'm cramped in the car for a 12 or 13 hour car ride) and hopefully can start reviewing some more before school starts again. Then again, I just picked up FFTA so not sure how the reviews will go with that... =D;;;

Either way, happy autumn everyone
(yay~ it's so close to winter la!)
 
Niko said:
FFTA = evil and overated

Overated because it's gameplay system is somehow screwed up... its speed is completely unbearable because poor Marche's "fight" command takes like 3 seconds alone, then the counter ability kicks in and that's another 4 seconds... zz....

Not completely overated, because it's a complicated system in terms of how to tackle the missions in a certain order, and it's insanely difficult to try to abuse the game system unlike its PS1 relative (FFT = joke... 97 brave with 6 faith makes any job, any character a brutal killing machine because that's almost gurantee reaction strikeback every time you dare to attack me, and 6 faith is like, magic immunity? If that doesn't work for you, i'll give you 3 letters that will gurantee you on your way to complete easy victory: C-I-D). FFTA is one of those games where I actually need to play 20 hours of it, then restart to play again from the beginning to get things right.

Assassins with 133 speed at lvl 2, gogogo!!! (what? you got assassin only by lvl 10? too bad =D)

Fun game, really, if you can bare the insanely slow battle speed.


It's like a fanfic... impossible to get it right on first try. You just have to keep restarting and keep trying in order to finally get it right, and only by then does it start to look fun =D
 
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