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As for the Arceus-God things.

I originally only gave it to pokemon but the gave it to humans too. I didn't want to promote any real religious views in my fic...but I also don't use "Arceus damnit" because it just doesn't flow well. :P
 
what would be the point of border control? In case you're unaware, most of what we've seen of the Pokemon world so far is all one country (this is why they use the name "National Dex"). Japan, the actual country it was based off of, is also composed of several regions (and the Pokemon world "regions" are each based off of a region in Japan, likewise).

Yeah, I did know that. ;) Kanto was based off Hokkaido, wasn't it? What're the others based on? Although I'm not entirely sure why Japan having regions and the pokeworld being one country means that border control can't be an issue...

Admittedly I know next to nothing about regional borders and how and why they are controlled in real life, but just off the top of my head--if there was a mystery illness afflicting pokemon, for instance, and they wanted to limit its spread, they might decide to control who travelled across regions, why, and check whether their pokemon were sick or carrying. Or perhaps if the issue of non-indigenous pokemon became, for one reason or another, a major issue, and some kind of law was actually passed to deport and keep wild Johto pokemon out of Kanto (as ridiculous as it sounds), it could then lead into the necessity of trainers registering all the non-Kanto pokemon they carry across the regions to prevent accidental/illegal breeding or pokemon being released into the wild.

...obviously you can't exclude Hoenn and Sinnoh from these issues as well, but the fact that Kanto and Johto share a landmass would make such laws more difficult to enforce, which adds to the interest level. Really the only reason I mentioned it was as an example of a possible political issue, even though it's not actually something I've been considering in any detail.
 
Yeah, I did know that. ;) Kanto was based off Hokkaido, wasn't it? What're the others based on? Although I'm not entirely sure why Japan having regions and the pokeworld being one country means that border control can't be an issue...

no, Shin'ou is based off of Hokkaido. Kantou is, obviously, based off of its namesake, the Kantou region. As for the whole thing about regional borders, I don't really know about it myself. However, a quick look at Wiki suggests that these "regions" are only meant to define and separate large land masses within the country. The only thing that might be affected would be stuff like TV broadcasts, maybe some local laws, and other such things that're limited in area range. In a way, it's much like how the US can group together States as "New England" or "the Midwest" or whatever. There's nothing to suggest that, politically, the States within these groups are the same, but the areas can define a distinctive culture that the States share due to being close together.
 
immediately off the top of my head (therefor it's a little simple, just so you know), I'm thinking 緑丸 "Midorimaru". "Midori" 緑 being "green", and "Maru" 丸 being "circle" (it's a common name ending for samurai). Of course, you shouldn't mind me if you happen to be looking for a more western name. ^^'
 
I ended up choosing "Blitz" but that could be a nickname, do you think that "maru" part would still be appropriate when being addressed formally if I changed the initial part of the name?
 
I don't see a reason why a pokemon would have to be 'addressed formally' in the first place, unless you were writing them as little humans :P
If it is not a MD fic then there is nothing that gets to me more than 'little human' pokemon :\
 
Pokémon can be intelligent and have translated speech without being "little humans". :/
 
Pokémon can be intelligent and have translated speech without being "little humans". :/

Everyone has their own ideas about that :). Because I view that as making them too human (not the being intelligent, but the speech) I just don't read fics with that element in them unless it is a MD fic or a very well done pokemon pov that leaves them animal-like.
I'm very picky in my reading and writing taste :). If I know I am going to have my reading of a fic too clouded by my taste to leave a review that does'nt make the author say 'OMG my fic is perfect! All my fans say so! I am the almighty author! ' I do not read it :). It saves us both a bunch of trouble ;), and life is too short to read every fic on the internet to start with..
 
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Because I view that as making them too human (not the being intelligent, but the speech)
Why? Plenty of animals commune with one another in the wild, verbally or otherwise; how would translating that communication make them "too human?"
 
Why? Plenty of animals commune with one another in the wild, verbally or otherwise; how would translating that communication make them "too human?"

Now here is something interesting. Animals in the wild communicate, yes, but they do not use "Language". Most animals don't have a set growl, grunt, squeak, or facial expression to represent something. The closest animals usually get is basically communication through a form of universally understood charades, which doesn't encompass everything. In addition, most animals live for the moment so they have no expressions of anything that happens in the future or the past. I'm pretty sure dolphins have an extremely limited tonal vocabulary, and many animals can be trained to understand some human nouns and commands, but the fact remains that language in the sense that we understand is unique to humanity. No other creature can duplicate it entirely. In that sense, if you're looking at an animal-like view of Pokemon then giving them a language that miraculously translates into exact English (usually complete with past and present tenses) is a little overboard. However, my view is that humans and Pokemon are species on the same level of intelligence, and that Pokemon are entirely capable of forming a complex language that can correspond to most English words. Like any language, however, there are words that don't translate both ways (for example, the human word for mountain comes out in Pokemon as "large mound of grand stony peaks".) Scythers are unique in that their language, as far as my fanon goes, is heavily based off of Japanese. (Example- Scyther word for "He's dead" is more exactly translated to "He has honorably deigned to cease to exist.) XD
 
Now here is something interesting. Animals in the wild communicate, yes, but they do not use "Language". Most animals don't have a set growl, grunt, squeak, or facial expression to represent something. The closest animals usually get is basically communication through a form of universally understood charades, which doesn't encompass everything. In addition, most animals live for the moment so they have no expressions of anything that happens in the future or the past. I'm pretty sure dolphins have an extremely limited tonal vocabulary, and many animals can be trained to understand some human nouns and commands, but the fact remains that language in the sense that we understand is unique to humanity. No other creature can duplicate it entirely. In that sense, if you're looking at an animal-like view of Pokemon then giving them a language that miraculously translates into exact English (usually complete with past and present tenses) is a little overboard. However, my view is that humans and Pokemon are species on the same level of intelligence, and that Pokemon are entirely capable of forming a complex language that can correspond to most English words. Like any language, however, there are words that don't translate both ways (for example, the human word for mountain comes out in Pokemon as "large mound of grand stony peaks".) Scythers are unique in that their language, as far as my fanon goes, is heavily based off of Japanese. (Example- Scyther word for "He's dead" is more exactly translated to "He has honorably deigned to cease to exist.) XD
That is the way I see it :) If course pokemon 'talk' in the sense that animals do, but I feel that the way they do so ether has too little or too much meaning to be put into human words :). They do live very much in the moment, half of their world is more based on scent in my pokemon world. This does not mean that they don't have emotions or character however :)
One of my pokemorph characters, who has lost most of mind to her pokemon side, can often only speak in one or two word statements before losing her train of thought when not in a battle...
 
Christ, TurtleKing, give it a rest already. Haven't we already gone through whole posts about Hanako reviewing you and such? Yes, people are reading your fic... I'm not (given my bias against literary narratives, I shouldn't really count, anyway), but others are. Now please stop making spammy posts asking that same question or I'm going to report you.

Scythers are unique in that their language, as far as my fanon goes, is heavily based off of Japanese. (Example- Scyther word for "He's dead" is more exactly translated to "He has honorably deigned to cease to exist.) XD

How is that based off of Japanese? They DO have a word for death and therefor a simpler way of saying someone's dead. 死んじゃった "Shinjatta", "(implied subject) died" (in Japanese, the subject is rarely necessary in a sentence and things can be left entirely to implication. That's not to say they can't use the subject, though if you really think about it, most things are obvious anyway. It might be hard to notice for an English-speaker, because doing such a thing in our language and just saying, for example, "Died" just sounds really awkward). In some cases that I'm aware of, they'll say なくなちゃった "Naku nachatta" or literally "(implied subject) became non-existent", which is still off from what you've got. Now, I haven't looked much into older speech forms, namely those used by samurai (all I really know is that their first-person is "sessha" and their copula is "de gozaru"), but who knows? Maybe your example is derived from that, since Japanese are quite often portrayed to talk that way in stereotypes (stereotypes which would, obviously, appear to be outdated).

Anyway, aside from that, I agree with everything else you said in your post, Mr. Art Critic (BTW, think you could critique my doujinshi whenever I get around to releasing it? ^^). I too would prefer to portray that Pokemon aren't capable of forming a language in my canon (although, they can learn to speak our's, like Meowth in the anime). They can, however, have their thoughts conveyed through Psychic-types. But I think it's worth noting that, oddly enough, every canon, whether it portrays Pokemon with their own language or not, indicates that Pokemon can somehow understand human speech. This is evident from the obvious way you're able to command Pokemon immediately after capture. Although, it is possible one can make sense out of this and approach this as something out of a dog's obedience school. This can explain why, even if elemental skills are implied to be second nature, most Pokemon only start out with a basic Tackle or Scratch attack: they need to be instructed to learn the command for later attacks. Given, this wouldn't explain how a Pokemon can differentiate between a human's command for Growl, or similar early stat-lowering moves, or how capturing a higher-level Pokemon that knows such attacks can recognize the command (legendary Pokemon could be an exception: having existed for so long, they no doubt picked up some aspects of human speech), but the idea itself still seems worthy of consideration, I think.
 
Regarding the pokémon being "too human" debate, I don't think it matters much if a writer decides to portray them as having human intelligence (like Mystery Dungeon 'fics) or just having them portrayed as slightly more intelligent animals. I think that's up to the author and there's no "right" or "wrong" answer to the way a writer should portray them in their story.
 
Thank you, Saff. *can of tuna* (Tuna is healthier than a cookie, you know? And surprising, half the time cheaper, depending on the sale of the week :P)

I was thinking about this in work and the only answer I could come up with for this debate was that it all depends on the author. So what if I write my Pokemon characters in one way and someone else writes them in another way. Who the heck cares. It's a debate that annoys me to no end. Get over it people, and stop turning every mentioning of a Pokemon's personality used in a fanfic into this debate.

It's all subjective. End of story.

And TurtleKing, Yamato-san is right. Nearly every time you post in this thread, you ask for a review. You do know that most of the reviewers on this board are bitter vindictive people that will not review a story for an author that begs for reviews, right? Plus, most of the reviewers here are busy. Off the top of my head, I know that Jax, Bay, DP479 and myself all have to deal with college finals. Others of us have military duty hanging over our heads. And then others of us have to work thirty hours a week. The last thing I want to do after working for six hours is come home and write a constructive review for a fanfic.

You know how long it took me to write that review for your first chapter? An hour and a half. But I took the time to show you where you made mistakes and how to improve them, because you want a review like that. I could easily take a minute to pound out a one-sentence review that says "Good fic" and nothing more. But does that tell you if I read it or not?

Seriously, I'm getting annoyed at people begging for reviews. Be patient, people. Reviews will be coming when real life business dies down.
 
I like tuna. And yeah, I think it's really up to the author to decide how intelligent to make their pokemon. There's pretty much justification in any direction. For instance: all of the psychic pokemon in the shows can speak "human". You could argue that all pokemon are smart enough to comprehend language in this way.

On the other hand, pokemon appear more or less the same as animals (duh) so you could say that they have the same intellect as said beasties (as for the question as to whether or not animals have vast intellects, that is for another time).

In my fic, I have a mix of speaking and non-speaking pokemon, but through an interesting series of events, it can be inferred that all pokemon are rather intelligent.
 
Who the heck cares.
I don't think it hurts anything to have a writing debate now and then :). In fact, I think I like talking about the in and outs of how everyone writes their characters just as much as reading and writing itself :).

As for reviewing, I don't think that every review has to be a mini term paper or a one liner, balance is a good thing. As for myself I am disabled, and don't have school at the moment, but I feel that any reviews I gave would be ether too focused on what the author did right or wrong without much middle ground..so I don't review often :\

But if I was to, can anybody point me to a good PC only fic here? :) I've been gone a long time...
 
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