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There are two sides to everything. There's good fanfiction, and there's bad fanfiction. There's good fanart, and there's fanart that looks like it was written by a 6 5 4 3 2-year-old. There're good fansites, and then there are the . . . not so good sites. But there must be balance in the force, my young Padawan. Without evil, good cannot prosper.
 
I think the key to ff.net is to go in there with plenty of time to spare. For every good fic, there's something that makes you want to die, but the good fic is usually really impressive.

Find fanfiction you will. Enjoy it, you might.
 
Oh, no! I've been lured into this thread!

It's been awhile since I've ventured onto ff.net - at least awhile in terms of me looking for actual serious fics I want to enjoy, as opposed to searching for badly written lulz on purpose.

I'll admit I tend to be a bit on the picky side with what I tend to read fan-fic wise, but that's mostly because I tend to multi-task while I'm online, and won't force myself through reading something that I'm not particularly enjoying.

As for writing my own? HAH. Well, it's been awhile, is all I can really say about that, though I might be convinced to write something sooner or later.

Why, no, it's not because I enjoy Bill-torture. *smile*
 
Destiny fics annoy me. Like any genre, they can be great reads if done well, but . . . the folks at Serebii don't seem to know how to do them well.

Word, although for me, you've got to replace "Serebii" with "FFNet." I haven't actually sat down to read a fic at Serebii since someone linked me to "Accidentally" by Mouse Tourmaline. (Which, incidentally, I admit I favorited out of fangirl reasons. Even though the disregard to canon kinda makes me cringe.)

Back on topic, I think destiny fics are just one of those things only a select handful of writers can actually do. Off the top of my head, I can only really think of two fics where this happens, and that has its own site and following anyway. (Ultimatum and Lucki, although does Lucki really count?) The others tend to initially follow a cookie cutter format at first (basically, Main Character decides to become a trainer, trains for several days, encounters Team Evil, finds out about their plot to take over/destroy/reshape the world, and decides to go fight Team Evil because there's no such thing as bystander syndrome in the Pokémon world apparently unless you're a side character). After that point, if it's not the usual "MC finds out (s)he's the Chosen One and fulfills the prophecy by encountering legends and whatnot," it's just that the main character wanders dangerously close to/into Sue territory.

That and the endings tend to be predictable. At least Lucki ended awesomely. With other destiny fics, you just end up assuming that not only will the main character end up saving the world, but they're going to do it by SHOOP-DA-WOOPing the crap out of Team Evil/an awakened and pissed legendary with magical powers that they're given because they're the Chosen Ones. While I'm not saying more Chosen Ones need to fail (although it's funny when they do), I'm just saying kids need to stop making characters who think SHOOP-DA-WOOP or magical Sailor Moon powers will solve everything.

This fanfiction.net place sounds horrible . . . I ought to have a look. Or maybe not.

Gonna have to agree with .Ozy with this one. If you've got enough patience to hunt around for good fic, you'll eventually find some really awesome stuff that you probably won't be able to get anywhere else. However, usually, this requires wading through piles and piles of crap unless you've got a fandom full of awesome people (which sometimes happens).

Oh, no! I've been lured into this thread!

>=D Hello, Clarice my dear.

As for writing my own? HAH. Well, it's been awhile, is all I can really say about that, though I might be convinced to write something sooner or later.

Why, no, it's not because I enjoy Bill-torture. *smile*

And at this, you get my usual response.

DO EET. (And put it this way, Dani. Even if it's been awhile, we've probably seen worse.)
 
I love taking on fics like that to meld into shape, but I think I have other things to do.

Sarcasm? If so, I'm just saying the rules thread is a sticky for a reason.

If not, amen, seriously. Although, yeah, it was pretty much blatantly ignoring the standards bit in said sticky, I'm sure he would've appreciated a, um, gentle nudging towards improving his fic. (Yes.)
 
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Sarcasm? If so, I'm just saying the rules thread is a sticky for a reason.

If not, amen, seriously. Although, yeah, it was pretty much blatantly ignoring the standards bit in said sticky, I'm sure he would've appreciated a, um, gentle nudging towards improving his fic. (Yes.)

Oh, no, I was being deadly serious. I love taking things like that, getting to know the author and how they work, and making their writing better and watching them develop into great writers.

I come bearing a question!

Do you judge a fic by it's reviews?

I have to admit, places that are unmoderated like ff.net I tend to look at the reviews first, but somewhat more moderated places OR smaller fandoms that I know, I generally read the fic and make my own judgement. I'm in a fortunate place where my primary fandom has 36 fics, and I'm pretty good friends with 90% of the authors of said fics, so may be slightly biased >.<
 
I think the key to ff.net is to go in there with plenty of time to spare. For every good fic, there's something that makes you want to die, but the good fic is usually really impressive.

Find fanfiction you will. Enjoy it, you might.
It's like yin and yang. Within all evil (ff.net), there is some good(gems of wonderful fiction). Within all good (PC lol) there is some evil (think 'The Johto Journeys)
Oh, no! I've been lured into this thread!

It's been awhile since I've ventured onto ff.net - at least awhile in terms of me looking for actual serious fics I want to enjoy, as opposed to searching for badly written lulz on purpose.

I'll admit I tend to be a bit on the picky side with what I tend to read fan-fic wise, but that's mostly because I tend to multi-task while I'm online, and won't force myself through reading something that I'm not particularly enjoying.

As for writing my own? HAH. Well, it's been awhile, is all I can really say about that, though I might be convinced to write something sooner or later.

Why, no, it's not because I enjoy Bill-torture. *smile*
Oh, hullo. You're new here. Are you this friend of Valentine's we've been hearing about?
Back on topic, I think destiny fics are just one of those things only a select handful of writers can actually do. Off the top of my head, I can only really think of two fics where this happens, and that has its own site and following anyway. (Ultimatum and Lucki, although does Lucki really count?) The others tend to initially follow a cookie cutter format at first (basically, Main Character decides to become a trainer, trains for several days, encounters Team Evil, finds out about their plot to take over/destroy/reshape the world, and decides to go fight Team Evil because there's no such thing as bystander syndrome in the Pokémon world apparently unless you're a side character). After that point, if it's not the usual "MC finds out (s)he's the Chosen One and fulfills the prophecy by encountering legends and whatnot," it's just that the main character wanders dangerously close to/into Sue territory.
Not to mention the fact that many of the people who write this stuff have no idea how the English language works, or how to actually tell a story. I mean, many fantasy/sci-fi/other novels follow this format, but they're big sellers because the author is a gifted person who likes writing cliches. And even in fanfiction. OT/journey fics can be done well. I'm currently working on one myself, and I'd like to think it's passable. And I hate to bring out this example again, but Dragonfree's TQFTL is definitely worth mentioning!

That and the endings tend to be predictable. At least Lucki ended awesomely. With other destiny fics, you just end up assuming that not only will the main character end up saving the world, but they're going to do it by SHOOP-DA-WOOPing the crap out of Team Evil/an awakened and pissed legendary with magical powers that they're given because they're the Chosen Ones. While I'm not saying more Chosen Ones need to fail (although it's funny when they do), I'm just saying kids need to stop making characters who think SHOOP-DA-WOOP or magical Sailor Moon powers will solve everything.
Lol, Pokemon + Sailor Moon. Actually . . . *trundles off to find link* Here ya go. Trust me, you'll love it.

Gonna have to agree with .Ozy with this one. If you've got enough patience to hunt around for good fic, you'll eventually find some really awesome stuff that you probably won't be able to get anywhere else. However, usually, this requires wading through piles and piles of crap unless you've got a fandom full of awesome people (which sometimes happens).
I must concur. See yin/yang example above.

Do you judge a fic by it's reviews?

I have to admit, places that are unmoderated like ff.net I tend to look at the reviews first, but somewhat more moderated places OR smaller fandoms that I know, I generally read the fic and make my own judgement. I'm in a fortunate place where my primary fandom has 36 fics, and I'm pretty good friends with 90% of the authors of said fics, so may be slightly biased >.<
I certainly don't. Reviews are opinion-based, so they may reflect the viewpoints of very different people to me. It might be a great story, but half a dozen people might come in and bash it, just because they're OT haters. So I like to judge the actual quality of the story.
 
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It's like yin and yang. Within all evil (ff.net), there is some good(gems of wonderful fiction). Within all good (PC lol) there is some evil (think 'The Johto Journeys)

Wait, only the Johto Journeys?

Oh, hullo. You're new here. Are you this friend of Valentine's we've been hearing about?

Possibly. *steeples fingers as she hides the plans in which she and her dear Dani go off and take over the world*

And even in fanfiction. OT/journey fics can be done well. I'm currently working on one myself, and I'd like to think it's passable. And I hate to bring out this example again, but Dragonfree's TQFTL is definitely worth mentioning!

Fair enough. (I really should read past the second chapter of that fic, but unfortunately, I keep getting sidetracked, hence why I didn't mention it in my list of Chosen One fics that are awesome... although is TQFTL a Chosen One fic? I know it's an OT story, but...)

Uh, back on topic, yeah, I'll admit that OT stories can be done well. It's just that, you're right, not too many people know how to tell a story and end up falling back into the same-old. Which, really, is a shame because even OTs have a lot of potential to go in over 9000 different directions.

Also, please ignore the fact that part of this statement makes no sense. *covers up the part about the site* The statement originally mentioned only one of them, and I fail at editing.

Lol, Pokemon + Sailor Moon. Actually . . . *trundles off to find link* Here ya go. Trust me, you'll love it.

*dies*

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Do you judge a fic by it's reviews?

On FFNet, certainly not (although I do read them because they're sometimes entertaining). All too often, a good fic gets few reviews while crappy ones get the author's BFFs reviewing like crazy.

On a forum, I tend to skim the thread and read through the reviews to give me an idea of what the author's style is like. Yeah, they're opinions, but on some forums (like this one), the reviews tend to be in-depth and mention more things about the story (like "omg this part was awesome!") that help me mentally summarize what the fic is about. That way, if it's an interesting subject, I go back and actually read the story.
 
Wait, only the Johto Journeys?
Just an example. It's the first one that sprang to mind. There are others. Unfortunately.



Possibly. *steeples fingers as she hides the plans in which she and her dear Dani go off and take over the world*
Well, seeing as this might be your friend, I might just be welcoming her to the Lounge. And it's also possible that I'm hoping she continues to be an active member. Oh, and you're too late. Pich_u and I already took over the world.


Fair enough. (I really should read past the second chapter of that fic, but unfortunately, I keep getting sidetracked, hence why I didn't mention it in my list of Chosen One fics that are awesome... although is TQFTL a Chosen One fic? I know it's an OT story, but...)
In a sense . . .
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Uh, back on topic, yeah, I'll admit that OT stories can be done well. It's just that, you're right, not too many people know how to tell a story and end up falling back into the same-old. Which, really, is a shame because even OTs have a lot of potential to go in over 9000 different directions.
Yet people are automatically biased! I quote from a comment on a BMGf blog recently . . . "If this is a journey fic, then it automatically sucks for me." Yes, that's a direct quote. The author recommended a journeyfic on their blog, and this member (who shall remain nameless) said that. With no explanation or justification!

Also, please ignore the fact that part of this statement makes no sense. *covers up the part about the site* The statement originally mentioned only one of them, and I fail at editing.
o_O

Wasn't it just hilarious? That's not me, btw. I'm Kenji Sasaki over there.
 
Do you judge a fic by it's reviews?

Nah, I prefer to read it and make up my mind about it than be lead astray by the reviews. Although I might skim through the thread and search for reviews to see if the readers think it was worth reading.

And woah, I haven't posted here for a long time. I'm sorry, I've let you all down!
 
Yet people are automatically biased! I quote from a comment on a BMGf blog recently . . . "If this is a journey fic, then it automatically sucks for me." Yes, that's a direct quote. The author recommended a journeyfic on their blog, and this member (who shall remain nameless) said that. With no explanation or justification!

Weellll... that's BMGf for you. *shrug* (The fanfiction community wasn't that interesting to me, to be honest. Too much of the same-old and angsty fic, and there wasn't a good place to have a casual conversation with other writers the way we can here. Also, there's other reasons why I wandered away.)

Am I the only one who keeps having shady experiences with big-name Pokémon boards except PC?
 
Well, seeing as this might be your friend, I might just be welcoming her to the Lounge. And it's also possible that I'm hoping she continues to be an active member. Oh, and you're too late. Pich_u and I already took over the world.

Yeeees, that's me, and in that case, well, there's the rest of the universe. XD

I'd like to be an active member here, though I'll admit I"m not usually a forum person. I was active on another forum, but some idiot killed it. >=/ Either way, I'm willing to give it a whirl again, especially since this seems like one of the 'saner' pokemon forums out there (as compared to serebii or bulbagarden, in particular.)

I guess when it comes to writing fics, you're right - there's always worse - ff.net is one thing, but deviantart has quite a lot of rot, too.

As far as reviews go for a fic, I tend to ignore them until after I've read some so that I can formulate my own opinions without being influenced too much.
 
Weellll... that's BMGf for you. *shrug* (The fanfiction community wasn't that interesting to me, to be honest. Too much of the same-old and angsty fic, and there wasn't a good place to have a casual conversation with other writers the way we can here. Also, there's other reasons why I wandered away.)

Am I the only one who keeps having shady experiences with big-name Pokémon boards except PC?
No, you're not. I was banned from BMGf, remember? I have bad memories of there.

Yeeees, that's me, and in that case, well, there's the rest of the universe. XD
Race you! ^_^ On second thoughts, Pich_u's more of a hindrance than a help, so you'll probably win. On third thoughts, you're welcome to it. I don't believe in extraterrestrials, so you'll be ruling a whole load of gas and dust. ^_~

this seems like one of the 'saner' pokemon forums out there (as compared to serebii or bulbagarden, in particular.)
You jest, surely.

I guess when it comes to writing fics, you're right - there's always worse - ff.net is one thing, but deviantart has quite a lot of rot, too.
I think we're all in agreement on this point. ff.net is a load of ****, with some excellent fanfiction buried in the muck.

As far as reviews go for a fic, I tend to ignore them until after I've read some so that I can formulate my own opinions without being influenced too much.
So true.
 
Hi, Gizamimi Pichu! :) Hope you'll enjoy your stay here! However, you came at a bad time...Astinus is going to do a new lounge soon. :O So...go crazy for now! XD

Do you judge a fic by it's reviews?
Sadly, yeah. XD Many fics I would read reviews to see what that story is about and then if I'm interested, I'll read and review. That's how I got interested in Jax's and .Ozymandias' fics. :D A lot of fics that I"m not totally interested though I just read the reviews to see how much fanboy/fangirlism are put in there. :x
 
Hi, Gizamimi Pichu! :) Hope you'll enjoy your stay here! However, you came at a bad time...Astinus is going to do a new lounge soon. :O So...go crazy for now! XD

Do you judge a fic by it's reviews?
Sadly, yeah. XD Many fics I would read reviews to see what that story is about and then if I'm interested, I'll read and review. That's how I got interested in Jax's and .Ozymandias' fics. :D A lot of fics that I"m not totally interested though I just read the reviews to see how much fanboy/fangirlism are put in there. :x
^This.
Many people will give fics rave reviews just because they have their favourite character/shipping in them. A sad amount of reviewers don't actually judge a story based on its merit.
 
Do you judge a fic by it's reviews?

That's not the main force behind picking which fics to read or not to read (I've seen more than enough perfectly good fics that have got next to no reviews), but it's an interesting note that I have a tendency to check just out of curiosity.
 
I'd like to be an active member here, though I'll admit I"m not usually a forum person. I was active on another forum, but some idiot killed it. >=/

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Either way, I'm willing to give it a whirl again, especially since this seems like one of the 'saner' pokemon forums out there (as compared to serebii or bulbagarden, in particular.)

Yeah, pretty much. Compared to a lot of other forums, I've noticed. I mean, we're psychotic in our own special way, but at least we're not OMGDRAMA-riffic.

I do have to admit that, yeah, I kinda roped you in at the wrong time, but at least you'll get to say you were in the FFL v.1. That and the entire FFL will get a clean slate ready to be filled with awesome.

No, you're not. I was banned from BMGf, remember? I have bad memories of there.

I keep forgetting about this. Probably because you're not the kind of person I'd imagine would end up banned.
 
Do you judge a fic by it's reviews?
No, I judge it by its first chapter (or prologue, if the story has one). The unfortunate truth is that with so many fics here, I can only use a sample of their writing to see whether I want to read it, and what's worse is that this sample is often not their best work (as they improve as they go along). :/
 
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