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[Astinus]

*high fives icomeanon6*

Hey hey! I finally have an answer to a bold question.

What anime shows would your fan fic characters prefer?
I'm taking a page from my favorite Digimon fic writer, and saying that some of my characters just couldn't watch anime because it strikes too close to real life. They would sympathize with the characters too much.

 

[Feign]

*high fives icomeanon6*

Hey hey! I finally have an answer to a bold question.

What anime shows would your fan fic characters prefer?
I'm taking a page from my favorite Digimon fic writer, and saying that some of my characters just couldn't watch anime because it strikes too close to real life. They would sympathize with the characters too much.

Oh, that's right, the later seasons (something like 3+) has that don't they. I remember an ad for it a long time ago, a character says something like "I watched the TV show I collected the cards, but I never thought it would be real."

I assume then, that is the case for you, in your fics?

I suppose that confuses canon then, meaning that seasons 1 and 2 would be a TV show, and seasons 3+ would be the "real thing".

 

[Astinus]

Tamers is the season where I know for sure that Adventure 01 and 02 were the television show and card games. This was made real obvious in the dub with some lines, like when Rika was told she looked like Kari (but Ruki was never told that she looked like Hikari).

With my fanfics of Adventure 02, I treat the characters' world as if it is pretty darn close to the actual real world. So, for instance, there are anime (just not Digimon, though one of the characters in my fic makes a reference to "an animated version of Takeru's books"), and they're the titles that are out now in Japan. My characters just wouldn't watch them because to them, they would sympathize with the anime characters (an example of this from the author I mentioned in my post would be "Hikari can't watch Kenshin since she relates to how he would feel killing someone").

I'm toying around with an idea where the Tamers world crosses with the Adventure world in a fic of mine. But that would be explained by dimension borders being weakened. They're different realities.

 

[Feign]

I've always liked different people's takes on multiple realities and things like that, it always seems that the author thinks of something that can be original in those types of situation. Myself, I'd stick with tenseless time, but for now, none of my fics (or ideas for fics) will include any reality bending or time traveling.

 

[Redstar]

What anime shows would your fan fic characters prefer?
Red is all about the Hedgehog's Dilemma, baby!

 

[Miz en Scène]

Spoiler:

"You can't tell them," droned the psychologist slowly, "because that would hurt and you mustn't hurt. But if you don't tell them, you hurt, so you must tell them. And if you do, you will hurt and you mustn't, so you can't tell them; but if you don't, you hurt, so you must; but if you do, you hurt, so you mustn't; but if you don't, you hurt, so you must; but if you do, you--"

From the above quote (in Spoilers for obvious reasons) taken from Liar by Isaac Asimov, it can be inferred that I've just finished reading Liar, which I have.

Anyway,

I've always liked different people's takes on multiple realities and things like that, it always seems that the author thinks of something that can be original in those types of situation. Myself, I'd stick with tenseless time, but for now, none of my fics (or ideas for fics) will include any reality bending or time traveling.

Yeah, but with everyone trying to come up with more and more original ideas, soon it'll be harder to.

Has anyone ever wondered if it's actually mathematically/physically possible to exhaust creative ideas?

 

[Feign]

Spoiler:

From the above quote (in Spoilers for obvious reasons) taken from Liar by Isaac Asimov, it can be inferred that I've just finished reading Liar, which I have.

Anyway,
Yeah, but with everyone trying to come up with more and more original ideas, soon it'll be harder to.

Has anyone ever wondered if it's actually mathematically/physically possible to exhaust creative ideas?

Noooo don't rule out the multiverse! XD

Well if you for example take the creative ideas, into words, then lets say regulate yourself to lets say, 10 000 words in the document, I'm sure to some extent it is possible to calculate how many ideas can be made... Perhaps minimum one quadrillion ideas?

 

[Miz en Scène]

Noooo don't rule out the multiverse! XD

Well if you for example take the creative ideas, into words, then lets say regulate yourself to lets say, 10 000 words in the document, I'm sure to some extent it is possible to calculate how many ideas can be made... Perhaps minimum one quadrillion ideas?

Also to be taken into account would have to be the number of coherent ideas, and the number of pleasing(as in not stupid or offensive) ideas that would be generated.

Hmm, this reminds me of the Infinite Monkey Theorem. XD

 

[Redstar]

Has anyone ever wondered if it's actually mathematically/physically possible to exhaust creative ideas?

Yes. They're called archetypes.

 

[Miz en Scène]

Yes. They're called archetypes.

Since this is the first time I've heard that word, I'll go by Wikipedia's definition:

An archetype (pronounced /ˈɑrkɪtaɪp/) is an original model of a person, ideal example, or a prototype upon which others are copied, patterned, or emulated; a symbol universally recognized by all. In psychology, an archetype is a model of a person, personality, or behavior.

Anyway, my understanding on the subject is that the Archetype serves as the Prototype, whereas my question was;

if it's actually mathematically/physically possible to exhaust creative ideas?

Therefore, in this context, is it possible to actually create so many original archetypes that it's impossible for any one human to come up with anymore ideas due to the fact that all possible outcomes have been created...

Feel free to point out holes in my logic. ^^

 

[Redstar]

There's only so many archetypes. There can't be "any more". Read into Carl Jung, then try the Dune series for a good fictional expression of Jungian theory.

 

[Miz en Scène]

There's only so many archetypes. There can't be "any more". Read into Carl Jung, then try the Dune series for a good fictional expression of Jungian theory.

I'll accept that reasoning on the basis that it covers usual human behavior.

However, you see many original plots in Modern Literature that are actually innovations and combinations of other plots/subplots(i.e. archetypes applied to literary plots). Therefore, is it possible to create an endless amount of original plots that are not based on plot archetypes, or are the creative possibilities finite?

 

[Redstar]

I personally don't think any plot can be "original". Even if you see stories told in "new" ways, the elements of it (characters, story-progression, language-presentation, theme, etc.) are still defined by human psychology/neural-biology and the archetypes sprung thereof. The only truly original expression of ideas is doing it in such a way that you trick the person into believing they've never seen it done before. (IE: (un)willing-suspension-of-disbelief)

 

[Miz en Scène]

Unless of course, the Multiverse theory holds true and that all forms of physics can exist in the Inifinite number of Universes that exist(i.e. things we can't even imagine). This would invariably lead to some interesting, and radically different behavior in the inhabitants of said Universe that would of course lead to newer and more radical ways of thinking. Assuming of course, that Physical Science in said Universes deviate from ours sufficiently in a way that the inhabitants way of thinking are different.

Of course, the main question posed before this is based on the assumption that we're constricted to the Physical Sciences, and Mental Sciences of our own Universe(i.e. Stuck in our own Universe).

The only truly original expression of ideas is doing it in such a way that you trick the person into believing they've never seen it done before. (IE: (un)willing-suspension-of-disbelief)

So who first did it in the field of entertainment? Everything, except for God if you're religious, is created. Who created archetypes? If the possibility to create exists, then if a person was sufficiently creative, could it be done?

Imagine a hypothetical situation wherein a man(And I use this term as gender-neutral as possible) is locked in a room with no external stimuli. Given enough time, could he create a new archetype after re-creating all the old archetypes of the old masters. Take note that he is without external stimuli and is not confined to how humans should/would behave.

For the rest of you guys who don't want to jump in even though I try to make this conversation as open as possible,
What do you think of self-inserts in fics?

 

[Redstar]

Everything, except for God if you're religious, is created.

Some creation myths have god/god-like figure creating itself. Awesome.

Who created archetypes? If the possibility to create exists, then if a person was sufficiently creative, could it be done?

No one "created" archetypes; they simply exist as an inherent result of being human. It's a part of the human spirit. It's our foundation of creativity, of psychology and of self.

Imagine a hypothetical situation wherein a man(And I use this term as gender-neutral as possible) is locked in a room with no external stimuli. Given enough time, could he create a new archetype after re-creating all the old archetypes of the old masters. Take note that he is without external stimuli and is not confined to how humans should/would behave.

I cannot stress this enough: you can't simply create "new" archetypes; there are a set limit. Archetypes aren't about stimulation, but about psychology and biology. Mowgli is still defined by his neural make-up, and as such, sees life through the eyes of a (potential)human. Everyone has different experiences, but there's only so many ways a human can interpret them.

What do you think of self-inserts in fics?
Why not? Isn't all writing about things you've experienced or would like to? People don't necessarily write about things they hate. If a writer doesn't connect with their character/s on some level, then I feel sorry for them. I always put a little bit of my heart into all my characters. I understand them and in my mind, they feel real.

Sometimes I even bring them to life even further by putting a little bit of another person into them, to give them some model to live their life and tell their story. If someone says they don't write about themself on some level, they're lying.

 

[Miz en Scène]

Some creation myths have god/god-like figure creating itself. Awesome.

XD It truly is. I'm more towards the notion that God has, and always will be(i.e. Outside what we could call time). That's just my Islamic perspective on said matter.

No one "created" archetypes; they simply exist as an inherent result of being human. It's a part of the human spirit. It's our foundation of creativity, of psychology and of self.

So it's like electricity I guess... A Force, not an Invention if you'd be willing to analogize it as such.

I cannot stress this enough: you can't simply create "new" archetypes; there are a set limit. Archetypes aren't about stimulation, but about psychology and biology. Mowgli is still defined by his neural make-up, and as such, sees life through the eyes of a (potential)human. Everyone has different experiences, but there's only so many ways a human can interpret them.

Once I got past that after you explained it, I began to wonder on the possibilities of non-human creations(not including God, mortal creatures if you will.)

Such as this.

Unless of course, the Multiverse theory holds true and that all forms of physics can exist in the Inifinite number of Universes that exist(i.e. things we can't even imagine). This would invariably lead to some interesting, and radically different behavior in the inhabitants of said Universe that would of course lead to newer and more radical ways of thinking. Assuming of course, that Physical Science in said Universes deviate from ours sufficiently in a way that the inhabitants way of thinking are different.

Technically, it would be feasible. Incoherent to say the least, but feasible.

What do you think of self-inserts in fics?
Why not? Isn't all writing about things you've experienced or would like to? People don't necessarily write about things they hate. If a writer doesn't connect with their character/s on some level, then I feel sorry for them. I always put a little bit of my heart into all my characters. I understand them and in my mind, they feel real.

Sometimes I even bring them to life even further by putting a little bit of another person into them, to give them some model to live their life and tell their story. If someone says they don't write about themself on some level, they're lying.

I actually meant this in the comical use of the trope. Like say, a character walking up to the main character and pronouncing himself as his creator, the writer who breathed life into him.
But the way you put it is fine too. XD

 

[Redstar]

I actually meant this in the comical use of the trope. Like say, a character walking up to the main character and pronouncing himself as his creator, the writer who breathed life into him.
But the way you put it is fine too. XD

I've done something like that, but it was more of an author avatar... A Smeargle as a character in a fairy tale told by Erika (the gym leader) to Red, as a way to "take-that" at a prominent Pokemon fan I don't like. (No, not Valentine lol)

 

[Miz en Scène]

I've done something like that, but it was more of an author avatar... A Smeargle as a character in a fairy tale told by Erika (the gym leader) to Red, as a way to "take-that" at a prominent Pokemon fan I don't like. (No, not Valentine lol)

I've found a word for it. XD
Let me rephrase the question:

What do you think of self-inserts in fics? An Author-Avatar if you will.

Edit: New Avatar!!!

 

[DGexe]

What do you think of self-inserts in fics? An Author-Avatar if you will.
I don't mind them, so long as they do not seep down into Sue/Studom and don't rip the canon apart. There are some SIs that are what they are, but they conform to the canon and don't tweek it about like some God inserted into the story.

... It's kind of late here. Does that make sense? <:I

 

[Dagzar]

What do you think of self-inserts in fics? An Author-Avatar if you will.
Depends if I know about it or not. If I don't know a character is a self-insert, then it's alright, but if I know, then that kind of makes the character pretty unlikeable in my opinion. It's kind of hard to explain, but I don't want to read about some real-life person in their own fantasy, no matter if the character is a Mary Sue / Gary Stu.
Knowing that a character is a self-insert just really taints my perspective of the character as a whole.