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So does this mean actually today/night to battle considering its Friday?
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[ Get Together / Halloween Haunt 2007 ] Battling tournament ~V2~
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No, not all the spaces have been filled yet. It will probably end up being on next weekend.
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Im in I will put my fc and name in later
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Not a bad idea Lumine I thank we should
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I think legends should be banned as well, though it's not a "Do it or I'm leaving!" thing. :D
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Yeah exactly ill still compete
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oh yeah, i forgot to say that also. i can battle on tuesdays thursdays and saturdays only. i'm busy the other days. sorry for forgetting about that. *smacks self*
agreed. legends=too easy of a win.
although, if anything, the max should be 1 legend per team IMO. the ABSOLUTE MAX. *shrugs* but that's just me.
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What do we get if we win the tournament
Legends don't have to be banned, really, the Regi's don't even have stats to add up to 600 and they are pretty easy to take out
The legend most of you fear are probably Cresselia and Azelf correct? Just ban those, I'm not saying this because I use legends, it's just the standard rules =\
The legend most of you fear are probably Cresselia and Azelf correct? Just ban those, I'm not saying this because I use legends, it's just the standard rules =\
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I'm not sure I like this "same team throughout the whole tourney" rule, but whatever. We can change movesets between matches, right?
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I oppose the banning of legendaries on the grounds that they do not offer a competitive advantage based solely on the fact that you can only obtain one per game. Because that does seem to be the major argument against legends-otherwise why would pokemon such as Phione get banned from these tournaments?
Some legends (not the really awful legendaries like Rotom, Moltres, Articuno, etc.) are good pokemon (Azelf, Cresselia, etc.). Some non legendaries are better. Who here honestly believes Entei to be superior to Blissey? Using Blissey makes the match easier to win, but not to the point where you may as well quit because of it. Should we all use the Luvdiscs, Pachirisus, and Chatots of the pokemon world just because it makes it harder to win games? Clearly, no. Why doesn't the reverse hold true? Why should we not use the best pokemon we can so long as they don't completely obsolete all others, leaving you with a handful of valid options? Don't argue that we're there allready with pokemon's current metagame; that would be getting into semantics and missing the point entirely.
I understand that some pokemon are ubers, and are too broken for standard play...but clearly this is not the major concern over banning legendaries. What I think most fail to realize is that most of the pokemon they dismiss as cheap have huge weaknesses. Articuno has a crushing 4x stealth rock weakness and overall poor stats. Azelf is very frail, and therefore hard to switch in and liable to take punishment with a dash of good prediction. Cresselia has awful defensive typing, and no offensive capabilities. Jirachi is helpless if it gets stranded. Of course I could go on, but it's not necessary because listing the weaknesses of some 'broken' pokemon is going to waste both our time...if you're flatout disagreeing, then a few more examples isn't going to convince you. Pokemon like Mewtwo are broken because they are not crippled in the areas their stats and moves support...who cares that Mewtwo has 3 weaknesses to common attacking types when it outspeeds almost everything, can ohko a respectable portion of usable pokemon, and won't die in a hit? Use your head.
But whatever, if you guys don't want to use legendaries it's not a dealbreaker. I just want to hear some valid reasoning as to why they should be omitted from standard play.
Edit: I just remembered that next Saturday, and most of Sunday, I will not be able to battle. So basically don't hound me if I'm not here.
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I oppose the banning of legendaries on the grounds that they do not offer a competitive advantage based solely on the fact that you can only obtain one per game. Because that does seem to be the major argument against legends-otherwise why would pokemon such as Phione get banned from these tournaments?
Some legends (not the really awful legendaries like Rotom, Moltres, Articuno, etc.) are good pokemon (Azelf, Cresselia, etc.). Some non legendaries are better. Who here honestly believes Entei to be superior to Blissey? Using Blissey makes the match easier to win, but not to the point where you may as well quit because of it. Should we all use the Luvdiscs, Pachirisus, and Chatots of the pokemon world just because it makes it harder to win games? Clearly, no. Why doesn't the reverse hold true? Why should we not use the best pokemon we can so long as they don't completely obsolete all others, leaving you with a handful of valid options? Don't argue that we're there allready with pokemon's current metagame; that would be getting into semantics and missing the point entirely.
I understand that some pokemon are ubers, and are too broken for standard play...but clearly this is not the major concern over banning legendaries. What I think most fail to realize is that most of the pokemon they dismiss as cheap have huge weaknesses. Articuno has a crushing 4x stealth rock weakness and overall poor stats. Azelf is very frail, and therefore hard to switch in and liable to take punishment with a dash of good prediction. Cresselia has awful defensive typing, and no offensive capabilities. Jirachi is helpless if it gets stranded. Of course I could go on, but it's not necessary because listing the weaknesses of some 'broken' pokemon is going to waste both our time...if you're flatout disagreeing, then a few more examples isn't going to convince you. Pokemon like Mewtwo are broken because they are not crippled in the areas their stats and moves support...who cares that Mewtwo has 3 weaknesses to common attacking types when it outspeeds almost everything, can ohko a respectable portion of usable pokemon, and won't die in a hit? Use your head.
But whatever, if you guys don't want to use legendaries it's not a dealbreaker. I just want to hear some valid reasoning as to why they should be omitted from standard play.
Edit: I just remembered that next Saturday, and most of Sunday, I will not be able to battle. So basically don't hound me if I'm not here.
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I agree with Name and genus here. Non-uber legendary Pokemon are only as good as a Salamence or Garchomp depending on who trained them. They shouldn't be banned. Celebi isn't banned because of its horrible typing. 7 weaknesses out of 17 types. Heatran, Jirachi, and Shaymin aren't banned because of their highly predictable movepool and the same should go for Manaphy, even though everyone considers it uber. All the trios have effing horrible stats except the stat they're supposed to be used for. Azelf is an attacker and has no chance when it defends, Uxie has no attacking ability, and Mesprit sucks more than both of them combined since it isn't good in any stat. The legendary birds all have a double weakness to Rock, making Stealth Rock the most deadly of all attacks with them. And unless you get them from the event the legendary dogs are more useless than the D/P trio.
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I should point out that:
1) i never said in that you couldnt change teams this time round.
2) Legendaries are not banned on the basis that they are usually no more powerful than OUs.
3) I you read the first post, i had actually banned shaymin and celebi. I ran this on what the battle tower takes as Ubers, plus Lati@s (souldew) and Wobbuffet.
EDIT: @pokemaster1995- There is no prize, just bragging rights. (unless someone can suggest/provide one)
1) i never said in that you couldnt change teams this time round.
2) Legendaries are not banned on the basis that they are usually no more powerful than OUs.
3) I you read the first post, i had actually banned shaymin and celebi. I ran this on what the battle tower takes as Ubers, plus Lati@s (souldew) and Wobbuffet.
EDIT: @pokemaster1995- There is no prize, just bragging rights. (unless someone can suggest/provide one)
Azelf is piss to rape, no problem really -__-
But Id say we ban Cresselia only, that things takes quite a bit of effort to kill
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Lol. Checks base stats of Cress.... Yep. banned.
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LOL
if you can't knock out a wobbuffet easily than you obviously don't know how to beat it, all you need is lagging tail and if your still faster than just use trick room, then wobbuffet will be the faster one
if you can't knock out a wobbuffet easily than you obviously don't know how to beat it, all you need is lagging tail and if your still faster than just use trick room, then wobbuffet will be the faster one
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I thought Perth was GMT +8 (without DST) looks like I learnt something new
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Although there a few ways of beating Wobblyffet, That is incredibly specific and not carried by many teams. Many other Ubers can be killed easily, don't forget. I'm leaving it Uber.