Global Warming

[FreakyLocz14]

Do you believe in it? I think it's a hoax; and these findings by NASA seem to prove that.

Discuss.

 

[Black Ice]

Other climate scientists disagreed with Dr. Spencer's recent findings spotting flaws and calling his model "unrealistic." The statistical information from the satellites are lacking as Spencer may not have accounted for fluctuations and other variables in the study.

This article doesn't really prove anything and Spencer's model wasn't given. It's hard to take this as serious evidence without peer approval, either. Even better, it's only a hypothesis.

Most (pretty much all) scientists would agree that the earth's climate is changing. I think the controversy is about whether humans are directly responsible. That is debatable, but the fact that the average temperatures are rising is not up for questioning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

and because i like pictures:

Spoiler:

 

[Myles]

Anthropogenic (human-caused) global warming is only debatable if you reject the scientific consensus that it is correct.

I find this article very irresponsible because even though it doesn't technically lie, it's acting like Spencer's hypothesis is at least close to the equivalent of a scientific consensus. It's misleading.

 

[Ivysaur]

"Believe", you don't believe in science. Science relates to facts, and while the facts can be interpreted in different ways, the increase in Earth's temperature and its relation to certain gases is undeniable.

Of course, companies and politicians who want to keep the high-spending way of life instead of looking for less-toxic, cheaper, renewable energy sources (aka Oil companies, car companies, and their friends -only some of the most powerful lobbies in the world-) want to consider it a lie and something "you believe in", as if it were a religion or something, to have an excuse to ignore it and keep making money instead of investing on plans to improve their methods.

 

[FreakyLocz14]

This article doesn't really prove anything and Spencer's model wasn't given. It's hard to take this as serious evidence without peer approval, either. Even better, it's only a hypothesis.

Most (pretty much all) scientists would agree that the earth's climate is changing. I think the controversy is about whether humans are directly responsible. That is debatable, but the fact that the average temperatures are rising is not up for questioning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

and because i like pictures:

Spoiler:

The global warming hysteria isn't just about climate change. It also proposes the greenhouse effect. If it is true that the Earth releases heat into space instead of heat being trapped forever like a giant greenhouse, global warming is a hoax.

 

[Anders]

Heat can still be released into space and negatively effect us, as long as the rate it escapes isn't as high as the rate we produce it. In my opinion it's fairly obvious that we're producing more and more heat and pollution now than we previously have, therefore speeding up the process of climate change dramatically.

 

[Mr. X]

Finally something me and you agree on... Well, at least somewhat.

The entire climate change thing is a complete steaming load of crap.

Climate change has been occuring since this planet was created. You remember them ice ages? Yah. The planet cycles between cooling and warming periods.

Now, the real question is how are we effecting it? Although climate change IS something that occurs naturally we might be speeding up the process.

TL:DR

Climate change is natural. We can't stop it from occuring, but can speed it up.

 

[Myles]

No one is arguing that there isn't natural climate change. The fact that there have been ice ages in the past is no secret. The important thing is that there is anthropogenic global warming due to the greenhouse effect too.

 

[Steven]

The global warming hysteria isn't just about climate change. It also proposes the greenhouse effect. If it is true that the Earth releases heat into space instead of heat being trapped forever like a giant greenhouse, global warming is a hoax.

Uh, no one ever said that heat isn't escaping. If heat wasn't escaping, night wouldn't be colder than day. Obviously heat is escaping, it's just the rate that heat is escaping is less than that of heat building up. That's what has always been said - all that article is doing is exploiting a well-known fact, leaving out important details, and incorrectly explaining events.

Also, here is a website that lists all the evidence and causes of climate change. Wait..that's weird. It seems to be NASA's government website.

Edit: Here is their "Causes" page where they clearly say that heat is still escaping, just more slowly. And that source is from 2007.

 

[deoxys121]

I fully believe that global warming is true. Whether it's a direct cause of humans, a completely natural phenomenon, or a combination of both... well, there's evidence on both ends there. Whether we've caused it or not, I do think it's gone too far already to reverse it. I personally think it's most likely a natural phenomenon that's being rapidly accelerated by humans' impact on the planet. So, overall, yes, we are at least a contributory cause. *Raises flame shield*

 

[donavannj]

Whether or not it's caused by our species, it doesn't change the fact that we're irresponsibly using limited resources such as oil and coal and are poisoning ourselves with the pollutants they put into the air. We get enough of such pollutants from the dominant meat sources for our species (large farm animals like pigs and cows).

The whole greenhouse gas effect pertains to the decreasing rates of heat escaping, not preventing heat from escaping altogether, just so you're aware.

 

[Esper]

The most dangerous aspect of climate change is the perception that just because there are people who agree with scientific findings which say that it is in fact happening and there are those who reject those findings that there's an even balance of these groups and that they both have some equivalent proof for their sides.

Calling it a hoax implies it is a deliberate attempt to mislead people for nefarious purposes. Even if you don't think the evidence supports the idea it's a little extreme to call it a hoax and it emboldens people to think uncritically and unscientifically since the basis of your message is that climate- and other scientists are big liars and can't be trusted and neither can anyone who supports their side since they're just being duped.

 

[Bluerang1]

Hoax or not we need to take better care of our planet.

My answer to the question is no. London didn't have Winter snow for a while and it's restarted, something's changing in the atmosphere.

 

[fango pango]

its just aa phase the earth is going through,we will eventually come to an ice age again
its all a hoax,dont worry :)

 

[FreakyLocz14]

its just aa phase the earth is going through,we will eventually come to an ice age again
its all a hoax,dont worry :)

We're in one right now. As we come out of the ice age, the globe naturally gets warmer.

 

[Myles]

We're in one right now. As we come out of the ice age, the globe naturally gets warmer.

And how does that explain this?

"Reconstructions of Northern Hemisphere temperatures for the 2nd millennium according to various older articles (bluish lines), newer articles (reddish lines), and instrumental record (black line)" ~Temperature record of the past 1000 years, Wikipedia

 

[Anders]

Um, I'm not taking sides or anything, but that chart shows us coming out of the "Little Ice Age" just like FreakyLocz14 said, lol.

 

[Ivysaur]

Um, I'm not taking sides or anything, but that chart shows us coming out of the "Little Ice Age" just like FreakyLocz14 said, lol.

I'd add this image, also from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period

In other words, there was a "little warm period", then there was a "little ice age" and now there is another warm period that, in a single century, has got over anything the "little warm period" had. In other words, yes, we are coming off an ice age, that's true, but that the increase in temperature is unnaturally large and quick is also obvious.

 

[Anders]

oh lol, my bad I didn't really notice the black line extending up that far. :P

 

[Captain Fabio]

I'd add this image, also from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period

In other words, there was a "little warm period", then there was a "little ice age" and now there is another warm period that, in a single century, has got over anything the "little warm period" had. In other words, yes, we are coming off an ice age, that's true, but that the increase in temperature is unnaturally large and quick is also obvious.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts with the graph if I am honest.
If you believe it, then fair enough but I personally think the idea of it being a hoax is stupid.​

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