4th Gen HeartGold/SoulSilver Speculation

[Artemis]

Suicune's ledge with an added cave wants to say hello.

I believe the beasts will be in reverse. The head of the trio will be sticking around in some cave while the other two run. The cave? Why the one on the Suicune ledge from crystal in HGSS.

Just because not much information has been released besides the basic map revealing a few things, I would rather wait for more confirmation on the basic plot of the game. Even though some aspects are seen it wouldn't necessarily mean the same Crystal plot would be included. Seeing as Crystal was made after, it could have simply been added back as reference to the game, but it doesn't mean the whole Suicune side plot will be back. Plus, as much as the idea of it returning to the Gold and Silver remakes sounds nice, I'd rather GameFreak stick to the potential definition of a remake with Gold and Silver. So, still I would rather wait for a synopsis on this, and not go by what was always seen. As the saying goes, "our eyes can be deceiving" as can simple pictures.

As for the added in cave, it could simply be something new included into the game. An addition or extended piece to the original Gold and Silver storyline. A reference to the three legendary beasts. The maps shows a lot, but it doesn't explain everything.

 

[Ryanniny]

merging double post

But they also didn't have to live up to something, it was something new. With HG&SS They have to make sure they don't anger pokemon fans by changing too much.

its not exactly going to affect much if they include it, is it? :S
as its UNDERGROUND, nothing above ground is going to change at all, and its not exactly a huge part of the story, just a few air vents here & there (i barely even noticed them in DPPt, so they're not that much of an obstruction).
it's not gonna destroy the "nostalgia" everyone keeps going on about, if it were exactly the same game, it'd be boring
theres gonna be plenty of new changes, but the fact its the same region, gym leaders & same basic story is nostalgia enough? i personally awelcome these kinda changes.
i read through my old guide for G/S and i couldn't see anything about fossils, so i dunno if they were in the originals.

I can see the fossils either being at cinnibar island, cos the volcano erupted or something so it all got destroyed, or at pewter city.
if not, they just won't include them, as people can easily trade over the fossil pokemon from DPPt

i really doubt the return of the suicine storyline, cos they are gold & silver games,
and it'd follow their stories (getting ho-oh/lugia earlier in the respective game)
otherwise they might aswell just release one game.

 

[JP]

The thing is, does the DS cartridge have enough memory to include Kanto and Johto along with an underground for all of it? That's where one of the main problem comes in with the idea of having an underground for these versions.

 

[Ellie]

I don't think they'll include Fossils. In the originals, those were some of the few Pokemon you were forced to trade for RBY with (besides Aerodactyl, but you had to do an ingame trade for that). There's already enough ways to get Fossil Pokemon in the 4th generation (unlimited from the Underground whereas before you could only get one per game and not even both, plus breeding, plus transferring from 3rd gen), and I think it'd be better if they included different Pokemon instead.

But if they didn't include them, what would happen to Fossils you trade over? Would they just sit there and not do anything? I kind of think so, or they might make it untradeable to that version like Giratina's orb to DP.

 

[Jweeson]

I don't think they'll include Fossils. In the originals, those were some of the few Pokemon you were forced to trade for RBY with (besides Aerodactyl, but you had to do an ingame trade for that). There's already enough ways to get Fossil Pokemon in the 4th generation (unlimited from the Underground whereas before you could only get one per game and not even both, plus breeding, plus transferring from 3rd gen), and I think it'd be better if they included different Pokemon instead.

But if they didn't include them, what would happen to Fossils you trade over? Would they just sit there and not do anything? I kind of think so, or they might make it untradeable to that version like Giratina's orb to DP.

Or if I understand what you mean, like Fione can be traded from Ranger to DP but nothing can be traded back?

 

[Britney's Circus]

I guess it will be included due to the success of the Explorer Kit.

 

[The Hero Without a Name]

Well I was talking to my friend who is a Pokemaniac, and he was telling me that you can get fossils in G&S if you are in Kanto.

No, you can't; in RBY, the fossils were key items and you couldn't trade them to GSC. At most, you could turn the fossils into Pokemon and THEN trade Omanyte/Kabuto to your 2nd gen game.

 

[kizzyx]

i love gold and silver so this game is going to my grave wen i die

 

[Eggie Poo Poo]

I can assure you its not in because look at all the images and videos of towns we've seen, no underground air pipes (other than that coincidence at New Bark town) in any towns. We've seen Cherrygrove, Eckruteak and New Bark.

 

[Ayselipera]

I don't think there will be an underground in Johto.
I mean Firered and Leafgreen didn't include secret
bases like Ruby and Sapphire did. I think the same
will apply for HG/SS.

 

[JollyRoger25]

You all seem to be forgetting that in these nice little what if questions you forget that HG and SS is mearly a expansion of D, Pe, and Pl. What ever is unobtainable by non dongle(DSI not GBA slot) methods in those games, will most likly be obtainable in HG and SS, anc because all of the fossil pokemon are obtainable in D, Pe, and Pl, that means that most likley they won't be included in HG and SS. Besides, there weren't any Fossils in the orignal G, S, and C, and these are remakes of those games, soo, in all likleyness, there won't be a fossil to be found. And I know about the Arceus, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratnia thing, those are legendaries, you can't count those pokemon in.

 

[TheAliveTrain]

No, you can't; in RBY, the fossils were key items and you couldn't trade them to GSC. At most, you could turn the fossils into Pokemon and THEN trade Omanyte/Kabuto to your 2nd gen game.

Yup. No fossils on GenII, but yes, you could obtain an Aerodactyl traded X Chansey, if I'm not wrong.

Anyways, I bet that fossils will be obtainable trading from DPPt, as there you can get as many as you want.

 

[Gyardosamped]

I sure hope that there are fossils. On the other hand, the DS cartridge is very small, not sure if they will include many of the options we have in Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, now.

 

[DassenSupes]

Sure would enjoy it. I need to raise an Omastar sometime.

 

[Jweeson]

You all seem to be forgetting that in these nice little what if questions you forget that HG and SS is mearly a expansion of D, Pe, and Pl. What ever is unobtainable by non dongle(DSI not GBA slot) methods in those games, will most likly be obtainable in HG and SS, anc because all of the fossil pokemon are obtainable in D, Pe, and Pl, that means that most likley they won't be included in HG and SS. Besides, there weren't any Fossils in the orignal G, S, and C, and these are remakes of those games, soo, in all likleyness, there won't be a fossil to be found. And I know about the Arceus, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratnia thing, those are legendaries, you can't count those pokemon in.

How could it just be an expansion, if it's a remake?

It's not just an expansion of DPPt, It's a remake of it's own game.

EDIT: Sure it's not going to have some of the things that DPPt have, but It's not just an expansion.

 

[JollyRoger25]

Well I'm gong off of the premise that Fire Red and Leaf Green were expansions(catachable pokemon wise) from Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald. They were used to fill in the pokedex gaps of the other three versions, much like I think these remakes will be. Due to the fact that Nintendo is trying to weave out the Advanced Generation(DSI no GBA slot), much of the previously obtainable pokemon will become unobtainable, as a result, Nintendo needed a game(or two) to include these "unobtainables" so people could complete the Pokedex. Thats the Idea I'm working from.

 

[Jweeson]

Well that a good point, but you're making it seem like it's an add-on to DPPt. If you understand what I mean?

 

[TheAliveTrain]

I know this doens't have to do with anything but do you think they'll add the Unknown pokedex insertion.

You mean Unown Dex?
I'd like to see it again. Old times when I was looking for all unowns and looking for the "King Unown".

Well I'm gong off of the premise that Fire Red and Leaf Green were expansions(catachable pokemon wise) from Ruby, Sapphire and Emerald. They were used to fill in the pokedex gaps of the other three versions, much like I think these remakes will be. Due to the fact that Nintendo is trying to weave out the Advanced Generation(DSI no GBA slot), much of the previously obtainable pokemon will become unobtainable, as a result, Nintendo needed a game(or two) to include these "unobtainables" so people could complete the Pokedex. Thats the Idea I'm working from.

And which Pokémon you couldn't catch in Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, not counting with starters and legends?
Any.

I will admit that Fire Red and Leaf Green were a part to complete the Dex in R/S/E, as R/S/E were to complete the dex in FR/LG.
So don't think that they're remaking this games because people will buy to complete any dex, it is not needed. They're doing because fans want, and when fans want, they have profit.
Thats the real world.

And the reason to not add Lugia n stuff to D/P/Pt was because they were planning this game already. (from 3 years, I've seen this here in PkComunnity)

 

[bobandbill]

Threads on whether fossils will be in HG/SS or not (as well as a thread on whether it'll link with PBR or not (I'm not too doubtful of that, although maybe it'll require an update? =/ Depends on whether the coding allows for it...) merged with this Speculation thread.

 

[Vegeta™]

This game will be awesome, can't wait for this.