i asked for an adamant orb and they traded me an adamant voltorb

[Lalapizzame]

Lala Fails (Contains Ugly Magnet) } Platinum

Yes, it is another *gasp* gorgeous OU Platinum team! I've been playing with this on the ladder, about 5 losses, and a plethora of wins from testing. (Still can't reach 50th on Smogon OU ladder "surprisingly".) While I was making this team, I was trying to cover almost all of their weaknesses, although some of the resists are albeit not really meant to take hits, they form a chain of defense. I was also seeing Flygon getting not quite enough usage to be booted off to OU, so I decided to use that. Gengar usage also dropped because of Hypnosis. ._. So yes, I beg D_A to not troll this team, and for him to seriously rate this team. This applies for every single one of you people, especially Ryab and other seriously good people. So alas, my begging comes to an end and the team appears!

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Azelf @ Focus Sash

• Ability: Levitate
• EVs: 36 Atk/252 Spd/220 SAtk
• Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)

• Psychic: A STAB move that makes this not set up fodder garbage, useful, does not need an explanation.
• Stealth Rock: Gives the Suicide Lead essence, it is an essential move to offensive teams that can help score KOs everywhere.
• Explosion: The other half of Suicide Lead recipe, it is the frosting on the cake for most, if not all, Suicide Leads.
• Fire Blast: There are annoying Bronzong out there and they must be put to an end, whether it be Exploding or being incinerated.

Azelf is just one fine Suicide Lead, being faster than most others except Aerodactyl. Although it's kind of annoying seeing these dumb leads trying to stomp all over Lead Elf. ._. No, I refuse to remove this unless absolute sturdy reasoning is given. (Saying it's ugly is not valid, and would most likely give you an infraction courtesy of D_A.)

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Zapdos @ Choice Specs

• Ability: Pressure
• EVs: 80 HP/176 Spd/252 SAtk
• Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)

• Thunderbolt: The cherry wine of this set, surely a STAB a lot of Pokemon dislike coming off with a STAB and Specs boost.
• Hidden Power {Grass}: Swampert can just go be crushed by a ban hammer, Hidden Power Grass laughs at it like no tomorrow.
• Heat Wave: Darn steel-types these days, you now get destroyed.
• U-turn: Excellent scouting move that still gets in a light hit.

Zapdos is the only Scizor counter that's sturdy enough to take those incredibly strong shots. Although SR is a big pain, I'm confident Zapdos will still be triumphant. Also one of the most respected Special Attackers on this team.
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Azumarill (F) @ Choice Band

• Ability: Huge Power
• EVs: 240 HP/252 Atk/8 Def/8 SDef
• Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

• Aqua Jet: This STAB priority move has swept whole teams very rarely. Also helps fix that Speed issue. No, it does not do poop to resisted pokes. It did about ~33% to a Roserade. (Not sure about the EVs though...)
• Ice Punch: With Platinum came almost heartbreaking changes to some pokes, but good upgrades to several others having legality issues, like Azumarill. Hits some of the bulkier Grass-types harder than the other moves without need to predict accordingly. Also is the only move on this set that makes Celebi weep.
• Waterfall: Sturdy STAB from a 654 Atk, yes, you get the point. It almost 2HKO'd a Spinner Starmie becuase Leftovers showed up. (Did more than 50% without SR :>)
• Focus Punch: Focus Punch steps all over Bulky Waters like Vaporeon and Suicune, easily 2HKOing with SR and I think normally 2HKOing the above two except Protect Vappy.

Azumarill is a powerful physical threat that I feel deserves more usage, although I feel it has moveset syndrome because if you use the standard D/P set Celebi kind of can attempt to PP stall you iirc but if you use Ice Punch you're somewhat walled by Gyarados, especially those Leftovers ones I keep seeing on Smogon Ladder. ._.;



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Flygon (F) @ Life Orb

• Ability: Levitate
• EVs: 32 HP/252 Atk/48 Def/176 Spd
• Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)

• Outrage: Yes, it is one of the best additions to Flygon's movepool, the poor thing would be so ridiculously rare if this move wasn't given to it. It is one of the best STABs in terms of neutrality.
• Roost: Sheds off them nasty LO + SR damage, although SR isn't such an issue with a 2x resistance to Rock.
• Earthquake: Steel-types in general, especially Heatran, love switching in on my Flygon early game when I impatiently Outrage pokes near their doom. So, EQ blasts them mercilessly and is a powerful STAB that in general still hurts when not fighting Steels.
• Stone Edge: Oh you sly beast, Gyarados, we have SE right here so you don't just completely switch in on Outrage and set up with DD if Gengar rolls over and dies early.

Flygon is a really rare sight imo, and I stopped using it long ago when my Rash Scarf Gon couldn't KO Gengar even with SR down. D_A continued on and destroyed me with his Scarf Gar. ._.; Flygon is the second physical threat, although it is much, much, less threatening than Azumarill's mighty 654 Atk.



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Gengar (M) @ Choice Scarf

• Ability: Levitate
• EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk
• Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)

• Shadow Ball: With Focus Blast, their combined coverage is not resisted by any, and in general is the main move that forms the core of the somewhat rarer Revenge Killer Gar these days.
• Focus Blast: Tyranitar, Weavile, other Dark types excluding Spiritomb e.t.c, they all would switch in freely with almost no fear except a 10% paralysis rate. Focus Blast decides to free Gengar of its weakness to Dark-types using Pursuit. Will not be removed for a petty Hidden Power Fighting that would do garbage to Dark-types except Weavile taking SR damage.
• Thunderbolt: Gyarados, and other Water-types excluding Swampert, they all eat their words of walling this set when they get smashed by T-Bolt. Please consider what would happen if johnny was hit by a thunderbolt. :>
• Hidden Power {Ice}: Forms a Bolt-Beam combo with Thunderbolt, but now Hidden Power Ice is a weaker Ice Beam with no effect. Still revenge kills Salamence and possibly the now albeit much rarer Dragonite.

Apparently Smogoners claim since the accuracy of Hypnosis is now poop, Gengar usage would in general decline. But I didn't expect about 8 drops down the list from just a Hypnosis accuracy drop, I expected people to still recognize it to be a possible good Revenge Killer. (But Anti seems to disagree otherwise from long ago if my memory hasn't exploded. =x) I am of the opinion Scarf Gar is still a lovely Revenge Killer. EDIT: juyhtrfert Darn D_A and his invincible logic. >:<

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Celebi @ Life Orb

• Ability: Natural Cure
• EVs: 36 Def/220 Spd/252 SAtk
• Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)

• Leaf Storm: It's a Draco Meteor with a more garbage typing and in general is like a raid of bombs on the opponent's team. I like using it when Pokemon are at full health and I want to whittle them down so the other three Pokes can kill them off without hurting Gar. 8D
• Psychic: Heracross, a possible counter to this Celebi, is manhandled by Psychic while Salamence thinks it's a pain to switch in with SR. All fighting-types are also pooped on.
• Recover: LO damage can become a threat to Celebi's survivablity and Recover is the strongest option in Celebi's movepool to fix this huge problem. I would be weeping so badly if LO Celebi couldn't use this.
• Earth Power / Hidden Power Fire: Heatran, the most popular OU Pokemon of all right now, would be pointing and laughing at me if I didn't have this move. Scizor laughs at me right now, so I am somewhat jammed here. Most likely caring more about Heatran, please consider helping me about this.

Celebi is the 2nd threat of the special corner, so it balances out the supporters of each offense. It provides little resistances and 7 weaknesses that need support, but pretty much all of them are supported, if not all. Also looks cute when shiny lololol. =x

Yes, I have an enormous Dark and Ghost-type weakness, but I DO have a CB Azumarill and Gengar to fight them off, unless Gengar gets destroyed by Sucker Punch and Will-O-Wisp points its finger at Azumarill. I would be completely pooped on if that happened. >=/



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Yes, I've taken my sweet time to make this RMT, and I do not want anyone trolling my RMT. I refuse to give special permission to D_A or Ryab to troll my RMTs from now on. All attempts will be given strict punishment on Shoddy Battle and most likely it is D_A who shall be smashed most. Have a nice day, and continue to RMT.



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[Dark Azelf]

Why HP Ground on Celebi when it gets Earth Power now?

 

[Lalapizzame]

Why HP Ground on Celebi when it gets Earth Power now?

I was doing some format garbage. :< Yes, it has been edited anyway, thank you for not trolling. :>

 

[Smarties-chan]

Three Choice items on one team seems a bit iffy considering the fast pace of today's metagame and how using Choice items will often result in a free turn for your opponent, either giving them a chance to set up or to hit something hard. I'd consider running a bulky Zapdos over your current one if I were you since your team lacks any kind of bulk and you seem to have nothing to stop a lategame Scizor sweep. If want to keep your all-out offensive style, consider Heatran over Zapdos as that will help with Scizor while still keeping up the offense and your team covers Heatran's weaknesses really well. Heatran also helps with Weavile, which looks really threatening for your team. The CB variant can snipe out Gengar trapped on Shadow Ball or Hidden Power and Celebi with Pursuit and will deal some massive damage to Flygon and Zapdos with Ice Punch. The SD variant might not be as threatening, but if it can get in a Swords Dance, it can be a problem. CBTar also hurts your team a lot as you have nothing that can switch in on its Crunch, but the times it can safely switch in might be limited considering how many ways you have to hurt it.

Overall, I like your team, but I'd really give Heatran a chance if you haven't tried it out already.

 

[Lalapizzame]

Three Choice items on one team seems a bit iffy considering the fast pace of today's metagame and how using Choice items will often result in a free turn for your opponent, either giving them a chance to set up or to hit something hard. I'd consider running a bulky Zapdos over your current one if I were you since your team lacks any kind of bulk and you seem to have nothing to stop a lategame Scizor sweep. If want to keep your all-out offensive style, consider Heatran over Zapdos as that will help with Scizor while still keeping up the offense and your team covers Heatran's weaknesses really well. Heatran also helps with Weavile, which looks really threatening for your team. The CB variant can snipe out Gengar trapped on Shadow Ball or Hidden Power and Celebi with Pursuit and will deal some massive damage to Flygon and Zapdos with Ice Punch. The SD variant might not be as threatening, but if it can get in a Swords Dance, it can be a problem. CBTar also hurts your team a lot as you have nothing that can switch in on its Crunch, but the times it can safely switch in might be limited considering how many ways you have to hurt it.

Overall, I like your team, but I'd really give Heatran a chance if you haven't tried it out already.

Thanks very much, I actually have considered Heatran, since I have an enormous Ice, Ghost, and Dark weakness. I've currently decided on defensive Burn Heatran, since it seems to support the team with a defensive essence. Again, thanks for the lovely rate. (unlike D_A for destroying my title lololol)

 

[.]

Why are you using Focus Punch on Azumarill when Superpower is superior to it in almost every sense of the word. Unless there is a legal issue (if there is, make ROOM for Superpower). No safe switch into Tyranita really hurts you, and considering even a CB TTar can revenge kill your Gengar locked in Tbolt/Shadow Ball means your only real "check" is gone. Once Gengar is gone, your team becomes a lot more vulnerable to the most common sweepers. Gyarados and Salamence notably, as each of them run your entire team over once they got in a single Dragon Dance.

A way to remedy this is to add Porygon2 to the mix, preferably over Celebi. You could even make it into a Charge Beam attacker since its Special Attack is higher than Celebi's anyway:

Porygon2 @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP / 120 Def / 40 SpA / 96 SpD
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt/Discharge
Recover
Magic Coat/Thunder Wave/Toxic

Best Gyarados counter in the game and also gives you a safe switch into Electivire and Heatran, both are whom also really take a chunk out of this team with very few safe switches (bar Cross Chop from Electivire).

Porygon2 @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Modest
252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Charge Beam
Ice Beam
Tri Attack
Recover

339 Special Attack is quite good, and after a boost things will start getting hurt bad.

Overall, your average team, but nothing bad about that eh? Oh, besides physical sweepers eating you up =/

 

[Lalapizzame]

Why are you using Focus Punch on Azumarill when Superpower is superior to it in almost every sense of the word. Unless there is a legal issue (if there is, make ROOM for Superpower). No safe switch into Tyranita really hurts you, and considering even a CB TTar can revenge kill your Gengar locked in Tbolt/Shadow Ball means your only real "check" is gone. Once Gengar is gone, your team becomes a lot more vulnerable to the most common sweepers. Gyarados and Salamence notably, as each of them run your entire team over once they got in a single Dragon Dance.

A way to remedy this is to add Porygon2 to the mix, preferably over Celebi. You could even make it into a Charge Beam attacker since its Special Attack is higher than Celebi's anyway:

Porygon2 @ Leftovers
Bold
252 HP / 120 Def / 40 SpA / 96 SpD
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt/Discharge
Recover
Magic Coat/Thunder Wave/Toxic

Best Gyarados counter in the game and also gives you a safe switch into Electivire and Heatran, both are whom also really take a chunk out of this team with very few safe switches (bar Cross Chop from Electivire).

Porygon2 @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Modest
252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Charge Beam
Ice Beam
Tri Attack
Recover

339 Special Attack is quite good, and after a boost things will start getting hurt bad.

Overall, your average team, but nothing bad about that eh? Oh, besides physical sweepers eating you up =/

Well, quite obviously my team gets destroyed if Gar goes down, it's a check for a reason. ._. Well. I've been discussing this with D_A and he claims Aqua Jet and Scarf Gar can try to guide me in times of TTar attempting to flatten me. I'll also take my chances with E-Vire, revenging with Flygon using EQ to its heart's delight. Focus Punch will be kept over Superpower because it smacks Bulky Waters and other counters coming in HARDER than Superpower by 30 BP. I'll consider Porygon2, thanks for the lovely rate. The extra insurance is nice, again, will be considered if it proves to be a problem.

 

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Well, quite obviously my team gets destroyed if Gar goes down, it's a check for a reason. ._.

That argument is not going to save you when a Scizor/TTar kills your Gengar via Pursuit. You can't avoid it, and considering how many of them are running CB Pursuit, your chances of not being killed are slightly slim, especially since you can't OHKO Scizor.

Well. I've been discussing this with D_A and he claims Aqua Jet and Scarf Gar can try to guide me in times of TTar attempting to flatten me. I'll also take my chances with E-Vire, revenging with Flygon using EQ to its heart's delight. Focus Punch will be kept over Superpower because it smacks Bulky Waters and other counters coming in HARDER than Superpower by 30 BP.

And then it automatically forces you to switch and become set up fodder. Wonderful. Aqua Jet isn't going to save you from Salamence or even worse, Gyarados.

I'll consider Porygon2, thanks for the lovely rate. The extra insurance is nice, again, will be considered if it proves to be a problem.

Ugly failure ;D

 

[Ninja Caterpie]

:D You seem to be like me...There's not one defensive Pokemon in that team. Hmm...As someone else said, three Choice Items on a team is a bit dodgy... x.x I don't have much else to say. It's not too bad.

 

[Archer]

Choice items can be fine if you can clear the field of entry hazards and predict well. I'm not able to do a full rate yet, however, Zapdos concerns me a bit. I have succesfully run a Specs set, although it's best to give it Max Spd and Timid. That takes advantage of the base 100 spd. If you want more bulk, you can run (iirc) 176 Spd to outrun +Spd B90s. Also, HP Grass seems stupid if you're not leading with it, as the coverage doesn't make up for it. Besides, Celebi and Azu can deal with it fine. (Waterfall is a 2HKO iirc)

You've been told the big threats and I back up those saying Superpower>Focus Punch. If you have a problem with opposing Ghosts, a pursuiter will be very helpful. Oh and you could run more Def>HP on Azu, as it lets it take hits better, just remember AJ won't usually OHKO TTar.

 

[StrickeN]

Your really playing with fire if you run 3 choice items. Not saying it doesn't work, but back in the day when I first played I abused choice items to no end, and it ended up costing me the game QUITE a few times.

ScarfGengars really only needed Timid to outrun ever popular Deoxys-E.
TimidScarf hit a BEASTLY 525 Speed, un-matched by anything other than opposing choicers.
But with Modest you hit a very nice 394 special attack, and still hit a nice 467~ speed, which outspeeds even the less common Ninjask, (not counting a speed boost). You might as well run modest, as it will ensure a OHKO, on TTars with Focus Blast and the extra damage on incoming Scizors who want to run in on shadow ball and set up is quite fancy too.

Your team runs NO defense side of Celebi, who has almost no investment in its bulky side, so a Suicide lead is just plain Meh. There are SO MANY MORE, efficient leads who don't have to blow up to get the job done. And when you consider it, the explosion is ever easy to predict as they see sash, and they know it's there. (that is if zong gets a Gyro off because most live fire blast, due to zelf being neutral nature, and non-stab)

BulkyZapdos would do a bit more for the team, as it can allow you to be a bit bulky, and deal with scizor a bit late game, as you have Roost to deal with said SR damage.

Focus Punch on a CBAzu is just plain blah, as you'll rarely spout 2 Focus Punches in a row. Super power is very beastly, and will be a nasty hit from anything. and still OHKO's TTar, where your aqua jet lacks the power to do.

Weavile has a LOT of power to sweep this team, as it can come in on things such as, Zelf/Gar/Celebi, laugh at you a bit, and Pursuit your ass till the sun rises. Considering you have very little bulk on Dos, the famous CBAdamentShard will be a 2HKO on it, and Night slash will run down Azu, although he might live 1. Heatran CAN be effective against Weavile, but offers nothing to it's CBBrick Break, which will 2HKO, even if it's not a 1HKO, so there is no "safely switching in" unless you come in on a CB Night slash or Shard/Punch.

 

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ScarfGengars really only needed Timid to outrun ever popular Deoxys-E.
TimidScarf hit a BEASTLY 525 Speed, un-matched by anything other than opposing choicers.
But with Modest you hit a very nice 394 special attack, and still hit a nice 467~ speed, which outspeeds even the less common Ninjask, (not counting a speed boost). You might as well run modest, as it will ensure a OHKO, on TTars with Focus Blast and the extra damage on incoming Scizors who want to run in on shadow ball and set up is quite fancy too.

He NEEDS Timid on Gengar to reach 525 Speed. Right now, that's his ONLY Gyarados check, and the need to outspeed it after 2 DD's is too great.

After using Azelf on my own team, I've found Aero much more useful. Being faster makes him more effective at his job, and considering NO ONE brings in Blissey into LeadElf, the whole "Explosion OHKO's Blissey" argument is a bad one. I've had plenty of Ghosts come in to block my Explosion, whereas at least Aero could hurt these Ghosts thank to Crunch/Stone Edge.

 

[Archer]

Um, ScarfGar also runs Timid to outrun Gyara w/ 2 DDs. There are other things, but I forget.

 

[StrickeN]

Yes yes, I forgot about Gyara. <_< and the fact that he has no walls, TimidGar really is the only thing he has to Revenge it <_< which is pretty bad.

 

[BeachBoy]

Closed by request of Lalapizzahahame.