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4th Gen I heard Red was tough?

loliwin said:
I thought that Hail would kill Spinarak lol. But man, she's lucky. xD
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Damage by weather effects are based on % of the max hp.
 
wow thats still good basicly defeating Red with 5 pokemon. and how many levels did spinorak grow, i bet it was like 10.
 
This could be posted both in the HGSS Journal thread, or the already-existing Red thread... actually I'l merge it with that one.

Carry on. =P (And yes that was epic-sounding XD).
 
I had a team ranging from 58 to 62 when I beat Red. Used Umbreon, Vaporeon, Pidgeot, Ampharos and Gardevoir. It was a bad team to use because most of Red's team would outspeed me and I couldn't do much damage in return.

Pikachu I had to wait for the recoil to kill it. Blastoise I stalled out using Vaporeon, making it completely worthless after the Focus Blasts. Snorlax I Will-O-Wisped it with Garde and Charmed it once to nullify it's Attack (though was unaware of Shadow Ball and got KO'ed, Umbreon followed and did fine). Lapras was a 2HKO with Choice Specs Ampharos' Discharge, though I had to heal it carefully in order to land his strike since Lapras was just narrowly faster and his Blizzard would nearly KO in one hit.

Charizard and Venusaur... ugh, couldn't do much but stall out with whatever I had and wait for the Hail to kill it (Venusaur after 60'ish turns even, since he used a Full Restore...), seriously. Venusaur mostly struck me with a very damaging Sludge Bomb while using Sleep Powder on some teammates. Worse even was Charizard, who took a blow from Discharge before Ampharos went down and then abused Flamethrower shortly after with Blaze on, severely damaging everything that wasn't Vaporeon (on which Air Slash and many Criticals were also painful enough)...

I'd say that, if it wasn't for Hail then Red would be truly hard to beat. Hail pretty much takes down his Pokémon slowly but steadily, bar Lapras, on which a fast Electric, Grass, Fight or Rock hitter works well enough in tandem with some healing. That allied with the shabby AI makes it possible to beat him while severely underlevelled, you just have to use more status effects and support moves than offensive ones, basically.
 
deku said:
He's actually fairly easy if you know what is super effective against his Pokemon. After Blue, my team was level 61, and after spending about 8 hours leveling my whole team to 75 through gym leader rematches I climbed Mr. Silver just to see if I would ever stand a chance. And I swept his team with no sweat. I think he only fainted like 2 of my team O.o
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Precisely, Red is a joke now, he's not really hard at all. None of you really need to get worked up over him, if you have a good type balanced team that covers different types, then you should be good to go.

I used:

Feraligatr
Tyranitar
Ampharos
Ho-Oh
Gengar
Dragonite

Worked out easy and I pwned him. My whole team was exactly level 73.
 
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Some people beat him easily, with level 50-60
Others have trouble at level 80-90
I personally haven't gotten to that part.
 
I killed him with
Lvl 68 Tyranitar
Lvl 70 Ho-Ho
Lvl 71 Scizor
Lvl 68 Metagross
Lvl 60 Blastoise
Lvl 82 Luxray
 
jle1076 said:
+ why would you have a tough time with Venasaur and Charizard with a Psychic and a Water?
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In my case, both Venusaur and Charizard would outspeed my Pokémon and dish nearly 50% damage per blow, giving me few opportunities to strike. Against Venusaur in particular Gardevoir kept getting KO'd to last moment poison from Sludge Bomb as well as nasty Critical Hits, so I didn't bother much bringing her back in afterward.

A Lv61 Vaporeon's Surf doesn't damage Charizard much either, with the risk of getting flinched by Air Slash I'm better off stalling with Protect + Aqua Ring until it's HP drops to KO range.
 
He was nothing. I defeated Pikachu and Venusaur in one hit with flamethrower from my Lv 100 Typhlosion. Blastoise and Snorlax were the hardest to kill do to the fact that Blastoise is a water type and snorlax has the health and defense. Charzard and Lapras where in the middle.
 
I just started Kanto (At Misty's Gym ATM) and my Typhlosion is already level 66, so Red shouldn't be too tough for me based on these other posts.

I want to beat him with his own team.
 
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i used the lv 70 lugia as a sheild to absorb the pikachus Volt tackle.

The fact that Hail makes Blizzard never miss is great. He uses Blizzard on Empoleon :D

other than that i alternated between my Feraligatr and Empoleon

Vena was annoying so i use my extremly low leveled Scizor (compared to him like lv. 40~)

X-Scissor :D pity i'm ditching it.

In the end those Giga Drain killed me so i grinded agaist Sabrina (she was fun)

until Red finally crumbled beneath my feet.
 
i haven't defeated him yet but people are saying his pikachu is hard to beat yet that and his espeon are they only pokes i have beaten, one earthquake from a level 61 Torterra defeated his pikachu :/
 
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