idea for VIP 6

[droomph]

Maybe a lack of (or reduced) waiting like the mods could be a perk for VIP 6?

Just a thought.

 

[Honest]

By VIP 6, do you mean Tier 6?

Also, what do you mean by lack of waiting? Waiting for what?

 

[droomph]

well, again, just a suggestion. You guys said that you needed ideas for tier 6 so here they areee

 

[Hikamaru]

Perks like that would be nice, but putting them on Tier 6 would make other tiers be at a disadvantage since we don't have many Tier 6 here.

I don't think Tier 6 needs any extra perks, considering I don't have the money to donate alone.

 

[Squirrel]

I don't think Tier 6 needs any extra perks, considering I don't have to money to donate alone.

Just because you can't donate doesn't mean no one else should get the perks :p

I like the idea of reduced VM waiting times for T6, I can't see it hurting anyone and it'd certainly be a nice 'reward' for such a big donation. Another perk I've often wondered about is html user titles but this would certainly need a lot of discussion.

 

[Livewire]

If HTML usertitles became a Tier 6 perk, then chances are people would donate more. More money = better site and eventually a better server. And the supporters get a cool feature. It's a win-win. I don't care if it ceases to be staff only.

And Hikari, there's more 6's than you may think, and it literally has three 'perks' you 5's don't have. I have a 170x170 avatar and a larger profile picture size, as well as a PM Box of 1,200. Nothing earth-shattering. If you cough up a hundred bucks, you deserve more than that.

 

[Nick]

I'd prefer to just abolish that waiting time altogether, personally.

Though I don't see that happening since it's a way to combat spammers. I think there are plenty of other ways to reduce spam than to create an inconvenience to not just them, but to all the members. Like making new members fill out a captcha or something until they make it to 15 posts. Yes, it is pretty annoying when you have to deal with it, but I know I would prefer dealing with that for fifteen posts than a flood reduced time limit every single time I make a post.

 

[Cherrim]

I think HTML titles were considered in the past but considering it has to be done manually by the admins and some people love to change their theme (as well as their title) quite often, there would probably need to be limits. Like only once a month or something. :(

I like the idea of reduced wait times but that's also iffy because there's no way to control that in the default vB settings. You can turn it off for everyone or reduce the time across all things that use the flood control but you an't pick and choose when or who it applies to. (The only reason it doesn't apply to staff is simply because they are staff and have power in a given forum--the logic behind it is that they can continue to do things in their forum even if they've just posted since waiting would slow their ability to work.) If that could be changed, it'd be a neat way to thank people for donating enough to get to T6. I know it'd give me the incentive to up my donation amount. >>;

 

[Jake♫]

I think the limiting of changing an HTML user title to an once a month change wouldn't be terrible, as at least that isn't overkill for the staff to work on, and with the low numbers of Tier 6 supporters it doesn't sound like a bad option.

 

[Jake♫]

What about once every 15 days, and once the number of T6 members starts to go up, have it limited to once a month? It'd be a good way to start out.

That is, if staff are willing to let T6 members have HTML Usertitles.

I could see that as reasonable, as the amount of Tier 6 users currently is giant, and I doubt people really change user titles that frequently anyways. Scaling it to the userbase is definitely a good idea though.

 

[Ho-Oh]

I don't think the staff will be willing to part with an exclusive perk without putting up a good fight.

I said it before recently, but I would not fight at all... in fact, I'd fight to make it NOT just a staff perk lmao.

 

[Hikamaru]

I said it before recently, but I would not fight at all... in fact, I'd fight to make it NOT just a staff perk lmao.

I do know that Ever Grande City allows non-staff to request HTML usertitles. I'm alright with non-HTML usertitles too btw but if they made it a special Supporter perk in addition to staff perk it might work out.

 

[Squirrel]

If html user titles would encourage people to donate more and it's only a couple extra requests for the many admins to deal with per week that should be more than reasonable, I'd fully support this. There's of course the issue of whether or not staff are willing to share the html user titles perk, but I'd personally be all for it. It'd be nice to have some more colour on PC and I've never really understood why it's reserved only for staff anyway haha.

How many people here would actually consider raising their donation to Tier 6 level in order to receive this perk? (And to support the forum of course because that's totally why we're all here)

 

[vaporeon7]

I'd prefer to just abolish that waiting time altogether, personally.

Though I don't see that happening since it's a way to combat spammers. I think there are plenty of other ways to reduce spam than to create an inconvenience to not just them, but to all the members. Like making new members fill out a captcha or something until they make it to 15 posts. Yes, it is pretty annoying when you have to deal with it, but I know I would prefer dealing with that for fifteen posts than a flood reduced time limit every single time I make a post.

If you made it only for tier 6 I think It'd be all right. Chances are that if people invest $100 in something, they're not going to want get banned from it.

But Tier 6 does need more going for it. I doubt people donate that much just to get the current perks at the moment, they'd just be donating because that like PC.

 

[hinkage]

Lowly Tier 3 here, but what exactly are the benefits of being Tier 6? I don't even see it on the donations thread thing. https://www.pokecommunity.com/threads/25461

3-5 don't seem that different :I

 

[Livewire]

Lowly Tier 3 here, but what exactly are the benefits of being Tier 6? I don't even see it on the donations thread thing. https://www.pokecommunity.com/threads/25461

3-5 don't seem that different :I

It's technically a secret Tier, one only obtainable by donating $100 or more. 170px avatar, 640x500 profile picture, (I think) and increased PM box space, to my knowledge, plus the features of the previous tiers like the Blog and profile customization stuff.

 

[Abnegation]

I think HTML titles were considered in the past but considering it has to be done manually by the admins and some people love to change their theme (as well as their title) quite often, there would probably need to be limits. Like only once a month or something. :(

And this is why we don't do them. That, and the fact that believe it or not, being a mod on PC takes a lot of work. So, the more we can offer to them the better. I don't think it's fair to offer them nothing extra. I'm keen on rewarding staff with as much exclusivity as we can muster without taking too much from supporters either. I'm aware that supporters are donating their hard earned money but... at the same time, nearly every staff member has also donated money. A few of us are 6 tier also, and when you donate that much, it's not really about the perks.

I wouldn't mind supporters getting less wait time between VM's, but I'd hate to see that abused. Believe it or not, you can crash the server by sending too many queries to the database, which can be done by posting to someone's VM wall. I'd need to look into it more, but that's probably one reason why everyone doesn't get it. Perhaps it would suit enough for tier 6 since they're rare enough.

As for HTML usertitles though, I would rather keep that to staff members. Those of you who haven't been a staff member, it's not all flowers and perfume, so I hope that you can appreciate that we would like to keep just some small things under staff exclusivity for the work they do. It might sound elitist, but it's really not, implore some humanity to understand where I'm coming from.

 

[Captain Fabio]

I don't think Tier 6 needs any extra perks, considering I don't have the money to donate alone.

The perks aren't just for you, they are for everyone who decides to donate that much; the world doesn't revolve around what you want, Hikari.​

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[Nihilego]

I'd like the flood limit gone for all supporters. It's incredibly rare that we have a supporter turn into a spammer and when we do, they're usually dealt with pretty quickly. It's almost like we're bracing ourselves against something which... never really happens. I don't feel someone who put good money into PC would be in any real hurry to spam it up, so yeah, I'd be up for just removing the flood limit for supporters altogether outside of VMs and PMs. Because VM flooding is way more common and is absurdly annoying, and PM spamming is harder to control. I'd just like a reduction there.

On the topic of HTML usertitles - if people donated themselves up to T6 for an HTML usertitle then I... seriously question their judgement with money, haha. But that's not really my place to say since it's not my money. I think they're fine as they are now, and I don't see many supporters actually asking for them. And honestly, I'd like to see them remain staff perks since they're one of not many that we actually get and a lot of us actually work pretty hard to keep this place in shape. What Gav said, really.

I'll also point out here that T6 isn't really meant to be a properly advertised tier at all. We don't advertise it because it's kinda unreasonable to ask people to donate $100 to a Pokémon forum for a few very minor perks. If they choose to do so then that's good for them and we're thankful for that, but to make a point of it seems really kinda greedy to me. $5 is more than enough in donations and really, $25 is more than we should expect from anyone and to advertise for higher than that is just... yeah. I wouldn't want people feeling like they're missing out on features because they don't have that sort of money. I also kinda hate the idea of a PC more influenced by money than it is right now. We're a community, not a shop, and not a business.

 

[Cherrim]

And this is why we don't do them. That, and the fact that believe it or not, being a mod on PC takes a lot of work. So, the more we can offer to them the better. I don't think it's fair to offer them nothing extra. I'm keen on rewarding staff with as much exclusivity as we can muster without taking too much from supporters either. I'm aware that supporters are donating their hard earned money but... at the same time, nearly every staff member has also donated money. A few of us are 6 tier also, and when you donate that much, it's not really about the perks.

I wouldn't mind supporters getting less wait time between VM's, but I'd hate to see that abused. Believe it or not, you can crash the server by sending too many queries to the database, which can be done by posting to someone's VM wall. I'd need to look into it more, but that's probably one reason why everyone doesn't get it. Perhaps it would suit enough for tier 6 since they're rare enough.

As for HTML usertitles though, I would rather keep that to staff members. Those of you who haven't been a staff member, it's not all flowers and perfume, so I hope that you can appreciate that we would like to keep just some small things under staff exclusivity for the work they do. It might sound elitist, but it's really not, implore some humanity to understand where I'm coming from.

Really? I consider all the perks that staff already get more than enough compensation for what they do. Access to the staff forums, no flood control in VMs/PMs, larger PM box, blogs, (somewhat) direct say on how things are run... there are a lot of things that come with being staff and just because a lot of them are directly related to the job itself doesn't make them any less of perks to me. :s As someone who's always been in the "staff are just normal members with the tools to do an extra voluntary job" camp, I have to respectfully disagree that staff need exclusive perks as a reward.

Honestly, the HTML usertitles were going to remain admin-only for a really long time before one or two people started asking for them in the moderator usergroup and it kind of took off from there because it was unfair to deny them after granting so many requests. It makes a lot more sense as an admin-only thing because they're the only ones who can add HTML usertitles anyway. I don't think it's too far a stretch to bump it down one more time.

I'll also point out here that T6 isn't really meant to be a properly advertised tier at all. We don't advertise it because it's kinda unreasonable to ask people to donate $100 to a Pokémon forum for a few very minor perks. If they choose to do so then that's good for them and we're thankful for that, but to make a point of it seems really kinda greedy to me. $5 is more than enough in donations and really, $25 is more than we should expect from anyone and to advertise for higher than that is just... yeah. I wouldn't want people feeling like they're missing out on features because they don't have that sort of money. I also kinda hate the idea of a PC more influenced by money than it is right now. We're a community, not a shop, and not a business.

A community with many people and minimal ads. (Seriously, the ads are so discreet here, especially for members.) A $5 donation once is nice but it doesn't go very far at all. The problem with PC's donation system is that the community is made up of a lot of really young people. Many of them just can't donate at all and those who can often can't afford to donate a whole lot or regularly. So giving extra perks for a group that goes above and beyond and donates $100 (which is a significant amount even as a one-time donation) is fine by me. I agree that it would be weird to add very visible perks for a tier that isn't even advertised, though. But I think it deserves a place on the list, maybe not as an official tier but as a message saying "we'll be so thankful if you donate >$100 that we'll give you even more perks" or something. It's never made sense to me that it's always been hidden away.

The only problem with these perks is they could really only be enabled for T6, whether it's a known tier upgrade or not. Dropping or lowering the flood rate might be risky for as wide a group as T5, even, and the usertitle one is manual so it would be a whole new collection of "Admin Requests" to keep on top of and adding any groups other than T6 on top of the staff requests will probably be annoying. :(