J-E Discussion

[Elite Overlord LeSabre™]

If the characters don't look appealing, it's gonna constantly distract me from the storyline, their characterizations, or whatever other merits the series may or may not have. That's my reasoning. A good show has to combine these elements together into one product.

 

[Shanghai Alice]

Serial Experiments Lain?..... That art wasn't head beating in bad was it in my opinion. That is if you're talking about that series.

The only art that has really gotten on my nerves actually wasn't the art, it was transitions, panels and effects being over used. I bet you couldn't guess what producers i'm talking about.

Serial Experiments Lain...

Perhaps I'm just not deep enough, but...

The show had a great premise, and great ideas. It made me think, it gave me headaches.

However, artistic purpose or no, the art and stock footage was... mildly distracting. The crossing being used for the opening is okay, but...

I dunno. It was a good series, and I'll have to watch again.



In other news, I'm watching an uploaded Higurashi episode, where the sound is mildly muffled. It makes the opening even creepier.

My throat itches whenever I hear that song, now...

 

[Elite Overlord LeSabre™]

I've heard about Lain, but I never got around to watching it. It doesn't seem to fit any of my preferred anime genres, but is it still worth a look?

 

[A Pixy]

It's just that most people are drawn to Moe or bishounen/bishoujo than anything else.

There are other styles:

Ultra-realism, pseudo-realism, cartoony, old-school, and so many more. I don't see why people are most drawn to one particular art-style or are even remotely judgey because of it. It's like judging a game partially on its graphics.

 

[Elite Overlord LeSabre™]

And graphics play a partial role in whether I'll pick a particular game. Or a particular car, for that matter. As I mentioned, it's the total package I look for... appealing art, interesting storyline, good characterization, decent voice acting, BG music that fits the show... if a show is lacking too much in any of these categories, I simply won't be able to enjoy it as much.

 

[Weeaboo Name]

People should judge a game partially on it's aesthetics, again it' is a part of the enjoyment.

People have particularistic interest in almost ever aspect of life so it's not surprising anime art style is one. I have to admit i don't really like a few of those styles you posted there (pseudo-realism, cartoony or old-school) I also dont like overly "moe" characters (apart from Yui Hirasawa of course) anyway yeah. People like different things for most of the time reasons they don't know.

 

[A Pixy]

Okay, yeah, but I've seen people say, essentially:

'THIS SHOW IS UGLY.

IT SUX.'

Yes, there are art styles I like and art styles I don't like, I just don't think it's right for someone to condemn a show because the pictures are drawn a certain way. :<

 

[Shanghai Alice]

I've heard about Lain, but I never got around to watching it. It doesn't seem to fit any of my preferred anime genres, but is it still worth a look?

I... honestly don't know. I'd say watch Paranoia Agent first, and then watch Lain. They're similar, though still very different.

People should judge a game partially on it's aesthetics, again it' is a part of the enjoyment.

People have particularistic interest in almost ever aspect of life so it's not surprising anime art style is one. I have to admit i don't really like a few of those styles you posted there (pseudo-realism, cartoony or old-school) I also dont like overly "moe" characters (apart from Yui Hirasawa of course) anyway yeah. People like different things for most of the time reasons they don't know.

1. Yui Hirasawa. F-yeah.
2. MineCraft has horrible graphics, so your argument is invalid.

 

[Elite Overlord LeSabre™]

Saw about half of Paranoia Agent on Adult Swim a few years back and it really messed with my brain. If Lain is anything like that I should probably keep away lest my entire brain be turned to squishy goo.

 

[A Pixy]

You know, I'm sure someone has a made a horrible game with wonderful graphics. Does that make it any less horrible? :C

Here's something that's...

Partially relevant.

Dragon Ball is interpreted by 17 other people.

Do strawberries in my Trunks really make the show any better or worse? YUSUKE MURATA. ASDF.

 

[Weeaboo Name]

Horrible game with wonderful graphics > Horrible game with horrible graphics....obviously.

I don't think anyone here has dismissed the show because of it's art though, have they?

 

[Elite Overlord LeSabre™]

I doubt I'd watch that show even if it did have appealing art. The extended battles, the constant yelling, definitely not my cup of tea (as most shonen shows aren't my cup of tea).

I'd like to add that there are several of the moe shows that I love the art but I haven't watched because the storyline or plot hasn't impressed me.

 

[A Pixy]

I doubt I'd watch that show even if it did have appealing art. The extended battles, the constant yelling, definitely not my cup of tea (as most shonen shows aren't my cup of tea).

I'd like to add that there are several of the moe shows that I love the art but I haven't watched because the storyline or plot hasn't impressed me.

So your admitting you don't care about art?

Horrible game with wonderful graphics > Horrible game with horrible graphics....obviously.

I don't think anyone here has dismissed the show because of it's art though, have they?

By, what?

A tenth of a percent?

Hey look, something completely skin-deep that doesn't make the game any better is there.

THAT SOMEHOW MAKES IT BETTER. n________________________________________n

 

[digi-kun]

So your admitting you don't care about art?

Huh? Lesabre's genre has always been Romance and Mahou Shoujo. Giving Dragonball an art boost doesn't change the dislike of the genre. The argument is that what's important is the overall liking, but just art.

Art plays a generally minor role depending on what I'm watching. It's really what you're doing with that art that matters. All factors of the anime should be considered into what you're watching, not just how pretty the art is ^^;; well, unless it's a fanservice anime, though that's a bit of a different category XD

 

[Weeaboo Name]

This thread needs more lolis with impossibly large swords.

Spoiler:

Have any of you been following Deadman Wonderland? It's so messed up it's brilliant. Anime next year, sure it will be as messed up as Elfen Lied or Higurashi xD

 

[A Pixy]

No. No. I was just saying that this:

I doubt I'd watch that show even if it did have appealing art. The extended battles, the constant yelling, definitely n ot my cup of tea (as most shonen shows aren't my cup of tea).

I'd like to add that there are several of the moe shows that I love the art but I haven't watched because the storyline or plot hasn't impressed me.

Kind of contradicts this:

And graphics play a partial role in whether I'll pick a particular game. Or a particular car, for that matter. As I mentioned, it's the total package I look for... appealing art, interesting storyline, good characterization, decent voice acting, BG music that fits the show... if a show is lacking too much in any of these categories, I simply won't be able to enjoy it as much.

I'm just saying, what LeSabre said in this quote basically says; if a show has FABULOUS ART, SUPER-SPECIAL AWESOME VAs, an okayish story, passable characters AND A GEOURGEOUS OST, than LeSabre would be able to enjoy. She's putting minimalistic bonuses on the same level of the basic structures of telling a story. If I were to tell you people what I loved about, say, Eyeshield 21, art would be on that list, but pretty far down. I'd mention the wonderful characters, the dramatic, tense story, the awesome games, how said games never drag, have I mentioned Hiruma yet? Then, maybe after a few more points, then I would say 'And it looks really, really nice.' Once I'm done all the basic story stuff.

When you're watching fiction, the thing that must come first-and-foremost is the story being told. Yes, it's being told through images, so art has some semblance of meaning, but it shouldn't be an important point as to what the story is telling. Yes, I absolutely adore, say, Takeshi Obata's art, but I'm not going to watch Bakuman because it's his pretty pictures, I'm going to watch it because I know it's going to be awesome sauce. Obata's art is nothing more than a bonus.

 

[digi-kun]

I'm getting the feeling that you're saying the shoujo genre can't have good stories or characters...

The argument was that if anything is lacking too much in a certain category, it doesn't appeal. In Lesabre's case, a major attribute is story, which is heavily related to genre. Not having a taste for Shonen series (in this case, Dragonball, which is battle-based) doesn't mean that they can't enjoy storytelling at all. Not watching moe shows is supposed to be an example of good art, horrible story. As far as the second point goes, there are also many genres of fiction as well. It's like saying if you like good romance novels, then you automatically must like good fantasy novels as well or you hate good storytelling.

Frankly, a lot of the controversy is that you watch primarily Shonen and LeSabre watches primarily Shojo.

Speaking of hating on the moe, I can't stop watching Takagi punching Ishizawa for trying to get Takagi to ditch Mashiro for drawing too complicated, and not drawing moe XD

 

[Weeaboo Name]

That was a hell of a punch. As soon as you saw Shujin getting angry you could see the falcon punch coming. Best anime of the season by a long shot.

 

[digi-kun]

That was a hell of a punch. As soon as you saw Shujin getting angry you could see the falcon punch coming. Best anime of the season by a long shot.

The great part about it is that that Mashiro takes this as advice and starts to move his drawing closer to the general Shonen style over Seinen

 

[Elite Overlord LeSabre™]

The argument was that if anything is lacking too much in a certain category, it doesn't appeal. In Lesabre's case, a major attribute is story, which is heavily related to genre. Not having a taste for Shonen series (in this case, Dragonball, which is battle-based) doesn't mean that they can't enjoy storytelling at all. Not watching moe shows is supposed to be an example of good art, horrible story. As far as the second point goes, there are also many genres of fiction as well. It's like saying if you like good romance novels, then you automatically must like good fantasy novels as well or you hate good storytelling.

Well, digi pretty much summed up my argument in a nutshell, so I will slowly back away from this topic.

But not before saying that I just watched episodes 17-20 of Amagami SS (the Rihoko arc), which is an anime which pretty much has all the elements I look for in a great anime going for it.