Modern Racism: Officer Wilson Walks

[Nyro]

Yes, asking for Wilsons death is supporting justice....if you believe in shari'ah. You sit here and openly oppose the killing of brown but openly support a group that is asking for another mans head. So now YOU decide what is justice? Come on just TRY and be a little objective. Is the situation sad? Yes. Do I wish an 18 yr old didn't die? Yes. HOWEVER the jury thinks the officer acted within his rights AND violence only breeds more violence. To assert your own justice is not only morally corrupt but who are any of us to judge this man?

 

[Clairissa]

firstly
black empowerment is most certainly not racism
secondly
the black panthers, in this particular scenario, are taking the role of supporting the community and urging for justice
whereas the kkk have explicitly stated that they will take violent action against protestors

"This racist racial empowerment group is wrong, but this racist racial empowerment group is right."
That's some grade A Colombian cut hypocrisy, and as linked above, they did plan for violence.

anti-blackness did not originate in america, it does not end with america. it's an issue pervasive in nearly all societies around the world, from south korea and sweden to name a few
antiblackness is against a specific group of people
it is called antiblack for a reason

Antiblack is a buzzword, the real word is just plain racism, which happens everywhere, and against everyone.
Also, Zwarte Piet isn't what you think it is.

the most violent people present at the various protest sites are police, the majority of the police present there are white
but continuing on
the church of michael brown sr was firebombed last night, clearly not an act of people rioting in protest of the non-indictment
there are numerous videos and photos circling right now of police being the ones starting the aggression, the ones who are firing at civilians and cracking down on them
they are the ones with weaponry

That's why multiple people arrested were carrying weapons? Police had weapons ready in case of violence, but they used teargas, not bullets.
I was watching the streams of it happening, including when the person who had the most viewers had his phone stolen while streaming.

blaming tumblr for the inaccuracies in your arguments is hardly the way to go is it

It's more the prevalent mindset of the more vocal and ignorant users than the website itself.

 

[Her]

Yes, asking for Wilsons death is supporting justice....if you believe in shari'ah.

although i cannot speak for all involved, most are not crying for wilson to be hung. what people want is for him to face some kind of punishment, anything at all. he got paid vacation for all of this, about $400k in donations and abc news paid him another $400k for an interview. he got married during this time. whether or not this was racially motivated, whether or not racism & anti-blackness does not feature in the treatment of this case (even though it does), whether or not michael brown did steal the cigarillos (he didn't), darren wilson has made nearly a million dollars off the killing of an unarmed teen. he deserves to feel the full force of justice.

You sit here and openly oppose the killing of brown but openly support a group that is asking for another mans head. So now YOU decide what is justice?

again, the majority of people are not asking for his head.
and since the american legal system has failed once again, it is time for the people to decide what justice is, yes.

Come on just TRY and be a little objective. Is the situation sad? Yes. Do I wish an 18 yr old didn't die? Yes. HOWEVER the jury thinks the officer acted within his rights AND violence only breeds more violence. To assert your own justice is not only morally corrupt but who are any of us to judge this man?

as mentioned before, the jury is highly suspicious at best and was intentionally falsified evidence that was in support of darren wilson. so, the jury's opinion is worthless. it is a binding opinion, but worthless.

and i don't know about you but
i have never gone out of my way to kill someone
so i believe i am in a perfect position to judge someone who killed where killing was not even remotely necessary.

"This racist racial empowerment group is wrong, but this racist racial empowerment group is right."
That's some grade A Colombian cut hypocrisy, and as linked above, they did plan for violence.

there have always been those who do not follow with the main group, but the official message of the black panthers is that they want justice.

and yes, the kkk are wrong! don't quite get why you're not understanding that

Antiblack is a buzzword, the real word is just plain racism, which happens everywhere, and against everyone.
Also, Zwarte Piet isn't what you think it is.

antiblackness is the most pervasive and damaging kind of racism out there, it is far more than a buzzword. to say it is just a buzzword is to spit on all of those who have suffered because of it.

zwarte piet has people dressing up in blackface. it is racism.

That's why multiple people arrested were carrying weapons? Police had weapons ready in case of violence, but they used teargas, not bullets.

police have used rubber coated bullets (not rubber bullets, but bullets with a layer of rubber over them), and according to some reports over the last 6 to 9 hours, some real bullets have been fired too. at least one man has died as a result of police aggression, by the way.
that along with tear gas and full-on armoured vehicles and humans is hardly a way to respond to those with weapons of defense.

 

[Nyro]

Is having to give up his law enforcement career permanently and start over with another vocation not a punishment? I would also note that money he gets will 90% go to civil reimbursement to Brown's family same as OJ paid for his doings.

EDIT: Sorry forgot important info...he now has ptsd almost assuredly and has blood on his hands. So getting another job will be near impossible. His interviews and maybe writing a book will be his permanent income and if that runs out...it is welfare time. I mention ptsd because I know what if feels like fearing for your life for a living(military) and this situation will most assuredly have a mental effect on this man unless he is simply inhuman.

 

[Her]

Is having to give up his law enforcement career permanently and start over with another vocation not a punishment? I would also note that money he gets will 90% go to civil reimbursement to Brown's family same as OJ paid for his doings.

no, it is not. it is expected. giving up a career of being a say, construction worker, after, say, building a house that collapses and kills the occupants is not a punishment, it is expected. the punishment is going to prison for that. that worker would have to face that he did a crime and, as the saying goes, do the time.

i would also note that if the brown family (bless them) do win their case and receive 90% of his money (it will not be that much), that still leaves him with 10% of the money gotten for taking a life.
basically, a year or two's worth of what he gets as his annual salary. he will be doing fine in the monetary department.

EDIT: Sorry forgot important info...he now has ptsd almost assuredly and has blood on his hands. So getting another job will be near impossible. His interviews and maybe writing a book will be his permanent income and if that runs out...it is welfare time. I mention ptsd because I know what if feels like fearing for your life for a living(military) and this situation will most assuredly have a mental effect on this man unless he is simply inhuman.

he killed a teenager and so far, it seems he will get away with it. in the eyes of the law, he has gotten away with it. but in the eyes of the people, he hasn't. he will be a hated man for the rest of his life, hate for him will seep from the bones of many for the rest of their lives. he should have stress. he should be fearing for his life. he is inhuman.

 

[Nyro]

no, it is not. it is expected. giving up a career of being a say, construction worker, after, say, building a house that collapses and kills the occupants is not a punishment, it is expected. the punishment is going to prison for that. that worker would have to face that he did a crime and, as the saying goes, do the time.

i would also note that if the brown family (bless them) do win their case and receive 90% of his money (it will not be that much), that still leaves him with 10% of the money gotten for taking a life.
basically, a year or two's worth of what he gets as his annual salary. he will be doing fine in the monetary department.

Shari'ah is what you want. That is not justice, that is fighting fire with fire and is a Sociopathic mindset.
There is no denying the fact he got punched by a 6'4 292 lb man. Only ONE witness said he didn't and what a surprise that witness was the buddy that was walking with Mr.Brown.

Also the Brown family would have probably had a day in real court if their hired Autopsy specialist was not caught lying about the trajectory of the bullet that grazed Michael's head.

EDIT: He may have been 18. But that 18 yr old is twice my size and I am a 27 yr old MAN.

 

[Her]

Shari'ah is what you want. That is not justice, that is fighting fire with fire and is a Sociopathic mindset.

wanting a killer to face legal and social retributions for his crime is not sharia, it is not sociopathic and finally, what do you expect the people of ferguson to fight the fire with? paper?

There is no denying the fact he got punched by a 6'4 292 lb man. Only ONE witness said he didn't and what a surprise that witness was the buddy that was walking with Mr.Brown.

there is denying it, actually.

there are the inconsistencies in wilson's testimony:

the fact that there was no signs of struggle on michael brown's behalf as shown by the autopsy

the fact that there is a witness testimony describing exactly what michael brown did: surrender and get shot

the various other witness testimonies

Also the Brown family would have probably had a day in real court if their hired Autopsy specialist was not caught lying about the trajectory of the bullet that grazed Michael's head.

michael brown was in the surrender pose when he was shot

EDIT: He may have been 18. But that 18 yr old is twice my size and I am a 27 yr old MAN.

police are all taught how to apprehend suspects of all sizes using non-lethal force, and there was no reason for wilson to use lethal force on michael brown when he was a hundred yards away.

 

[Keiran]

"This racist racial empowerment group is wrong, but this racist racial empowerment group is right."
That's some grade A Colombian cut hypocrisy, and as linked above, they did plan for violence..

Black power is about standing up for oneself and their race. Overcoming hardship and oppression. White power is about maintaining that power over other races.

Also, 2 people allegedly getting arrested for unrelated charges, even if true, is not synonymous with a hate group having influence on a legal system.

Anyways, y'all are free to read the jury transcript here. If, after reading this, you still support Darren Wilson and can't realize this is about race & racist/corrupt legal systems then...I honestly don't know what to tell you. He wasn't even cross examined.

I'd also like to point out that those New Black Panther members allegedly getting arrested for planning to harm people whilst a group of KKK members HANDS OUT FLYERS AND ANNOUNCED ON LIVE TV that they're going to shoot/harm protesters and they aren't arrested is an example of white privilege.

 

[ShinyUmbreon189]

I'm mainly asking because I've seen a lot of white people doing this while growing up and I did it too before I hit undergrad. That's the kind of crap you never want to hear. It automatically gives the impression of a preconceived notion that black people are inherently thuggish and can't speak english well or something like that, and they're basically all like 2chainz or something. This is the kind of mentality we are talking about here, which I'm sure exists in the minds of many white people. It's considerably more subtle but it affects your judgment enough to actually favor one side over the other.

What you expect me to think when I see over half of the black people in my area (burbs of Chicago) doing gang handshakes, claimin colors hard, acting a damn fool and being ignorant, speaking their own language and using the n word every 3 words (english but it's impossible to understand them), and intentionally doing something to get the police involved or get them arrested? A majority of the black people in my area are THUGS, they come from the straight hood of south side Chicago. I can't even stress the amount of gangster disciples we have here, Gd's are a majority of the thugs in my area. Since a majority come from a specific folk set you don't witness a lot of gang affiliated crime involving other sets. You do, but not very often.

I came from a town near St. Louis where they had few thugs but they had black people. I didn't get that impression of them because I didn't have a reason to. But when I see a majority of the black people in my area now I'm forced to have that impression on them, or at least the ones in my area. If they don't wanna be perceived as a thug then don't act like one, act like a normal human being. If other blacks can do it they can.

 

[Her]

What you expect me to think when I see over half of the black people in my area (burbs of Chicago) doing gang handshakes, claimin colors hard, acting a damn fool and being ignorant, speaking their own language and using the n word every 3 words (english but it's impossible to understand them), and intentionally doing something to get the police involved or get them arrested? A majority of the black people in my area are THUGS, they come from the straight hood of south side Chicago. I can't even stress the amount of gangster disciples we have here, Gd's are a majority of the thugs in my area. Since a majority come from a specific folk set you don't witness a lot of gang affiliated crime involving other sets. You do, but not very often.

I came from a town near St. Louis where they had few thugs but they had black people. I didn't get that impression of them because I didn't have a reason to. But when I see a majority of the black people in my area now I'm forced to have that impression on them, or at least the ones in my area.

was that you marching with the kkk in the bright yellow belt earlier?

 

[Nyro]

Lisa Bloom is a leech and the most rediculous attention seeking idiot on the face of this earth. Have you read any of her stuff?

Where did you read no signs of struggle and hands up surrendering? From the Browns Autopsy guy? The Federal Autopsy guy said he was shot 2inch to a foot from the barrel of the gun according to KMOV the St.Louis news station. If you have that article I would like to read it though. Pretty much all i have heard that agrees with you is word of mouth and protestors but I have seen no official statements validating those claims.

 

[Nah]

Well, so much for hoping that this thread would turn out any differently than the million other threads related to racism on the internet.....

 

[ShinyUmbreon189]

was that you marching with the kkk in the bright yellow belt earlier?

You obviously can't comprehend what I was saying so you're assuming I'm racist and did a KKK march? gtfo. READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH AGAIN, better yet, read the whole post. Here it is to make it easier for yourself and I even bolded important parts.

What you expect me to think when I see over half of the black people in my area (burbs of Chicago) doing gang handshakes, claimin colors hard, acting a damn fool and being ignorant, speaking their own language and using the n word every 3 words (english but it's impossible to understand them), and intentionally doing something to get the police involved or get them arrested? A majority of the black people in my area are THUGS, they come from the straight hood of south side Chicago. I can't even stress the amount of gangster disciples we have here, Gd's are a majority of the thugs in my area. Since a majority come from a specific folk set you don't witness a lot of gang affiliated crime involving other sets. You do, but not very often.

I came from a town near St. Louis where they had few thugs but they had black people. I didn't get that impression of them because I didn't have a reason to. But when I see a majority of the black people in my area now I'm forced to have that impression on them, or at least the ones in my area. If they don't wanna be perceived as a thug then don't act like one, act like a normal human being. If other blacks can do it they can.

A majority of the blacks in my area act like thugs and are thugs so I perceive them as thugs. I never said "all black people are thugs", I said "a majority of the blacks in my current area". Visit my area and see for yourself. They live here only temporarily, they still live in the ghetto of south Chicago where 90+% of them are thugs! Sorry, it's the facts. If you can't accept it then it's not my problem. If you don't believe me, go to south Chicago, but I'm not making any guarantee's you'll make it out alive regardless of your race. It's a scary area, the WARZONE of Chicago. Remember the 80+ people gunned down during the 4th of July weekend in Chicago this year? Where you think this took place? SOUTH CHICAGO! South Chicago is the reason Chicago is nicknamed "Chiraq". It's filled with nothing but gang bangers/thugs that commit felony's everyday, there's nothing but gunshots heard everyday, another body in the obituary, and countless assaults and home invasions everyday. With that being said, don't jump to assumptions. Besides, I'm not racist nor would I even consider joining the KKK. I look at the KKK as scum of this earth.

I also find it very hard to believe you're white too. Because you're trying awfully hard to back up the black thugs.

 

[Nyro]

Black power is about standing up for oneself and their race. Overcoming hardship and oppression. White power is about maintaining that power over other races.

Also, 2 people allegedly getting arrested for unrelated charges, even if true, is not synonymous with a hate group having influence on a legal system.

Anyways, y'all are free to read the jury transcript here. If, after reading this, you still support Darren Wilson and can't realize this is about race & racist/corrupt legal systems then...I honestly don't know what to tell you. He wasn't even cross examined.

I'd also like to point out that those New Black Panther members allegedly getting arrested for planning to harm people whilst a group of KKK members HANDS OUT FLYERS AND ANNOUNCED ON LIVE TV that they're going to shoot/harm protesters and they aren't arrested is an example of white privilege.

Actually reading these testimonies and they are very interesting but I think they got it right sorry. I will read more and update this if I feel differently but so far the witnesses point to them getting this one right. However I do feel the witnesses have genuine distrust for cops that is apparent. I guess you can consider that a "race issue" if we are assuming all the cops are white. Hopefully that is not the case. Which witness did you think pointed the other way? I have a read a few that tried but the testimonies were kinda shaky and seemed a little unbelieveable.

EDIT: 64 #2 was really odd. They couldn't get their story straight with the previous day. There were actually a few like that but that one stuck out BIG TIME.

 

[Lizardo]

Unless there is any hard evidence that Wilson targeted Brown because of his race, there is no need to make this a race issue.

It was always going to be a race issue, because the unfortunate fact of the matter is that we live in a country where police are historically notorious for harassing black people. The actions of the police in the outbreak of the protests and their strong-arm tactics against many of the protestors do not help their image, regardless of what really happened between Michael Brown and Darren Wilson. Whatever the facts are in this case, it's natural for the death of an unarmed black teenage by the hand of a white police officer to raise eyebrows. And whites have no one to blame but themselves. They created the society where this has been, and very much still is, an issue.

If you are black, I feel sorry for you because those few black looters make the black race as a whole look bad.

I'm a black man and, please, don't feel sorry for me. The oppression against dark-skinned people all over the world for centuries, that exists to this day, makes the white race look even worse. So does trying to pretend it's all over now.

They feel they're the victim when they're not, they can't get over something that happened over a century ago.

What exactly do you mean by a century ago? Slavery ended over a century ago, but the Jim Crow era lasted well into the 20th Century, the Civil Rights Movement is still within living memory of many people today, and racism still exists today - especially within the American Criminal Justice system. Blacks will "get over it" when it no longer exists.

And that because of actions completely out of his control, this somehow invalidates his arguments. Seriously, screw that MLK, he had no idea what he was talking about! He got assassinated! That sure shows how much he's worth!

Since we're bringing up Martin Luther King, Jr. here's a quote of his that's especially relevant in this thread: "I contend that the cry of "black power" is, at bottom, a reaction to the reluctance of white power to make the kind of changes necessary to make justice a reality for the Negro. I think that we've got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard."

I think it would do a lot of people well to remember what MLK actually said and did if we're going to bring him up here.

"It's a race issue because the KKK was involved!" Pretty sure the Black Panthers were also involved, another racist hate group.

The KKK was the racist hate group, and from early on in its inception had dedicated itself to using violence to deny newly freed slaves the ability to use the political power they had won as a result of the Civil War. The Black Panthers adopted a militant stance, but its aim was to empower the black community not to destroy or re-enslave the white one. There's a difference between the two.

Racism does indeed exist EVERYWHERE, and it affects EVERY RACE, or do you think whites have never been discriminated against?

The difference here being that whites have historically been in control of this country, and have never been subjected to the kind of institutionalized racism that minorities (especially blacks) have. People need to realize this. It is not the same thing, it has never been the same thing.

Police can harass anyone, this is true. But blacks living in impoverished areas have been more likely to abuse from law enforcement than middle/upper-class whites. I've never met a white person who was ever afraid of the police, the way many even law-abiding blacks are. I would urge people to look into the history of race relations in America, and look into how the Criminal Justice system affects minorities before trying to pass judgement against an entire race. Because a lot of these posts do exactly that, and it says something very depressing about some of the people who post here.

Like anyone else, I don't know exactly what happened in the Michael Brown-Darren Wilson case. I listened to the same news stories you did, weighed the factors like anyone else, and came to my own conclusion that Wilson at least deserved to be indicted. It doesn't matter now, but trying to look into the black perspective on these things would do a lot more good than simply condemning them while pretending that racism no longer exists and that it's all the blacks' fault. It's not that simple, and people need to realize that.

 

[Corvus of the Black Night]

was that you marching with the kkk in the bright yellow belt earlier?

Can you try to not be a complete insufferable ******* in this thread? You've done barely anything but attack other people. Seriously, we get it, you don't agree with the fact that some people want to question the traditional racist narrative. Perhaps there's something much deeper than that. Instead of automatically writing them off as racists because they don't agree with you, maybe you should take three seconds to actually understand what their argument is. Maybe they have an interesting point. Maybe they have something to ponder. Hell, maybe they're playing Devil's Advocate and are trying to make you think about what you say.

Then again, you are the same person who summarized MLK's works as "pull their pants up" so I guess that might be too much to ask for.

Regardless.

For example, earlier, the Black Panthers were brought up. You might as well call these guys the yang to the KKK's yin. Don't you think that both groups perhaps are problematic and that they both contribute to the furthering the misery that perpetuates this black versus white trope.

I heard from someone on facebook who asked me, "you people who say that we shouldn't see colour, you're all saying that because you're ignoring the problem that's existed for 500 years". And it just makes me ask, if this black versus white trope is the problem that we have been dealing with for 500 years, don't you think that doing the exact opposite is the only thing that is going to stop perpetuating this problem? There's a common saying - that if you're going to do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result, then that's the definition of insanty - but the truth is that by perpetuating that because it's the status quo that alternatives that seek to remove that should be ignored shows that people truly aren't ready to let go of those views just yet, on both sides.

And you know what?

Mind you, this is someone who really doesn't know how to feel about this whole thing other than the whole thing is a tragedy. I've already had people telling me to kill myself and how horrible and racist I am because I frankly have a lot bigger problems on my plate. Again, to me, I treat everyone with respect, and I try to help those who don't get it, but I can't throw myself out there when I'm already dealing with my own challenges with suicide and self harm. Problems so screwed up that I can't run away anymore. I'm not looking for sympathy, but it helps raise an important issue - the fact that people are so ****ing froth filled with rage while ignoring everything else that could possibly be happening in their world just shows how close minded they really are, and how desperately they cling to their presumed "open mindedness" in order to perpetuate their own self worth. Yeah, I don't think that my problems overshadow what's going on in Ferguson right now, but maybe my problems are making me unable to make a decision on how I feel about it. Maybe other people's problems affect how other people feel about it. Maybe the reason why people are saying the things that they are saying is because they have encountered things in their lives that have shown them to think otherwise, outside of the stereotypical "POOR BLACK PEOPLE" narrative.

If you have an opinion, that's fine. But you know what. People have opinions based on their history. Instead of going around and being a complete chucknugget, try actually trying to understand where the opposition is coming from. I have already come to agree to disagree with some people in this thread. Just because they don't agree with you doesn't mean that they secretly hate black people, or that they believe that the kid should have died, or that there isn't a problem. It means that they disagreed with you with how people are handling it. Perhaps you should show the same level of maturity.

Maybe this rage that people are doing in response to the incident reflects that people aren't ready to reconcile their differences and are unwilling to see the challenges that others face. And maybe, even just as this reaction on this forum alone along with the entire internet caught ablaze, shows that perhaps, we are not ready for that.

I guess it's time to return to my hut. Everyone's welcome besides those who scream, because those who scream have no consideration for others.

P.S. I'm tired as **** so sorry if this reads like a drunk sermon.

 

[ShinyUmbreon189]

What exactly do you mean by a century ago? Slavery ended over a century ago, but the Jim Crow era lasted well into the 20th Century, the Civil Rights Movement is still within living memory of many people today, and racism still exists today - especially within the American Criminal Justice system. Blacks will "get over it" when it no longer exists.

Not speaking for every black person, just the ones that feel their being targeted when they're not because they're deciding to commit crimes. I'm talking about the ones that give the justice system a reason. When they stop giving them a reason it will begin to stop. Until then, it will continue. Watch this video and pay close attention from 3:00 and on, it comes from a man of your own race.. He's beyond accurate as well, I know from personal experience. Got pulled over with 2 black people in my vehicle.. Guess what? ONE HAD A UNREGISTERED GUN AND ONE HAD AN OUNCE OF WEED! With that being said, it's the reason I have trust issues with blacks. Those 2 black people damn near ruined my life so I have a valid reason to have trust issues with blacks. Doesn't mean I can't trust them, it means it's gonna take more time for me to trust them. They have to convince me they aren't going to **** me over by getting me arrested, almost put in prison, and getting my vehicle impounded. The black friends I do have, I trust because they've earned my trust and don't' act like like a damn thug and don't commit crimes.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152603552157512

 

[Lizardo]

Not speaking for every black person, just the ones that feel their being targeted when they're not because they're deciding to commit crimes. I'm talking about the ones that give the justice system a reason. When they stop giving them a reason it will begin to stop. Until then, it will continue.

Except this has never stopped with the blacks who are guilty. It also includes black men and women beaten and killed by police for protesting. It includes black children shot by police for holding toy guns, and unarmed black men shot for doing nothing at all. This also includes black inmates who receive longer sentences than white inmates for the same crimes committed, criminal laws and policies (e.g. the Drug War) that impact poor minority (black and Hispanic, mainly) communities more than white ones, police who racially profile minorities, etc. It has never been as simple as "don't do bad things."

Watch this video and pay close attention from 3:00 and on, it comes from a man of your own race.. He's beyond accurate as well, I know from personal experience.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152603552157512

I made it to 0:56 in the video when I heard him say "Civil Rights... we won". I have no issue with trying to promote personal responsibility, but that's just plain wrong. And that belief is a big part of why people are having this argument.

Got pulled over with 2 black people in my vehicle.. Guess what? ONE HAD A UNREGISTERED GUN AND ONE HAD AN OUNCE OF WEED! With that being said, it's the reason I have trust issues with blacks. Those 2 black people damn near ruined my life so I have a valid reason to have trust issues with blacks. Doesn't mean I can't trust them, it means it's gonna take more time for me to trust them. They have to convince me they aren't going to **** me over by getting me arrested, almost put in prison, and getting my vehicle impounded. The black friends I do have, I trust because they've earned my trust and don't' act like like a damn thug and don't commit crimes.

If the irresponsible actions of two black people are enough that you think you're justified in having trust issues with blacks, an entire history of oppression from white authority figures (including police) against black people more than gives the latter justification for having problems with the former and the system set up by them.

This is not to say that there aren't blacks who legitimately deserve to be punished by the law for the crimes they do. I'm saying that blacks are very much still disadvantaged in this country, racism still exists and did not end with the Civil Rights Movement, and that blacks have an understandable reason for being outraged when a white police officer shoots an unarmed black teenager and when the officer who shot him isn't even indicted. It was the white man who made it that way in the first place.

 

[ShinyUmbreon189]

I made it to 0:56 in the video when I heard him say "Civil Rights... we won". I have no issue with trying to promote personal responsibility, but that's just plain wrong. And that belief is a big part of why people are having this argument.

Should of finished the video, and you guys did win the Civil Rights. Did you not get granted the same rights and freedom as the whites?

 

[Corvus of the Black Night]

Ultimately I think this boils down to a couple of things.

1. Groups of people who were regularly shifted to the bottom rungs of society through oppression, such as black people, tend to have struggles financially. This financial struggle eventually peters out once integration occurs, but this can take some time.

2. While financially struggling, regardless of race or income, most people view these people negatively. For example, locally, black middle class/upper class individuals have far more animosity towards lower class black people than middle class/upper class whites. This actually leads to a problem since people tend to focus on the racial side of the issue, which, while valid in many cases 60 years ago, is not true now, which causes the problem to avoid being targeted.

3. Because black people took until the 60's to be legally integrated in UNITED STATES culture, they still suffer stigma in the UNITED STATES because they still have financial catching up to do. Because of various conditions, including an over emphasis on black-versus-white mentality (one of the most dangerous mentalities and what holds so many black people back) and a well defined separate culture in many communities, integration is difficult. The combination of these tactics help perpetuate both coincidental disadvantageous individuals as well as perpetuate the logic of racist bigotry.

Unlike other minorities, they don't have the following advantages:

- Women can change class through marriage and usually adopt the class of their husbands. This can open up women to better oppporitunities as well as helping to raise their own female children to become independent.
- Due to the way immigration has changed in the last 40 years, Asians (who historically faced far more discrimination before reforming immigration than some other minorities, it's pretty screwed up how much erasure this gets) have transformed from a stereotype of complete idiots to very smart, which has helped push them from segregation considerably. This issue has historical context and shows how much what kind of people you let in your country affects how people view them (Originally they brought in blue collar workers who could barely understand english and were considered disposable, thus considered "idiots", now immigration makes the US prefer those in the sciences and technology)
- Jews have consistently been pushed out of work that is middle/lower class and adopted forms of work that turned out to be more profitable (i.e. white collar), which also leads to the stereotype of them being "greedy".
- The physically disabled, which frankly should receive far more attention than Ferguson should in my opinion, have one distinct advantage socially - harming a disabled person is usually considered extremely taboo. In fact, this turns into another problem - their problem is that people don't listen and are not empathetic towards their problems since they make assumptions or are unwilling to explore their perspective.

Ultimately, this leads to an intense divide that is perpetuated by both sides. Even someone who tries to integrate themselves are commonly told to "sit down and shut up" instead of, I dunno, actual integration between the races. Ultimately both sides of participants (not all people participate in this, which leads to people "blind to colour") end up having the exact same problem on the other side and continue to perpetuate a problem of "white versus black." Ultimately this is why it must be eliminated.

I'm not saying this structure is right (in fact I think it's pretty wrong and leads to why education and health care should be available to all individuals), I'm saying that I think it's less to do with "omg black people do this" and more to do with trend following tactics that people tend to use to try to curb behaviour. Ultimately, the real ultimate tragedy of the impoverished is that they struggle to survive and sometimes make extreme decisions to try to make their lives better, such as selling drugs, robbery or joining gangs. I know people who have been involved in all three, and it's all because of the same reason - they want a better life, and their poverty, more than anything, cuts them off. By consequence, most people who are upper or middle class, who are protected by the police force, end up forming a battle between the two, and because black people have faced the most challenges with financial integration, they have committed, proportionally, more crime than other groups.

This isn't because black people are inherently bad, it's because many black people are in a desperate situation, because of a difficulty with rising in class. Ultimately, because of this, it can justify racism, or induce profiling. In addition, people who are lower class (more likely to be black) have more inherent

What is troublesome here though is that activists are also blinded by the race card here. It's so easy to be entranced by the racist narrative to ignore other possibilities, which is prevalent in this thread. The reality is that these issues strike people of all colour, gender, whatever. It's just that because of other circumstances, some people are struck more often than others. Again, in Detroit, most of the population lives in pretty low conditions, despite the population only having 54% black population. Other surrounding cities with better living conditions such as Southfield have higher black populations, indicating that this, at least in this case, may be far less of a race issue than it is an income issue.

Perhaps in Ferguson it is a blend of both - where there is enough racism in the area to perpetuate this cycle even further.

But in all honesty. Sometimes I wish you people would wear a blindfold for a day. It would be pretty enlightening I think.