Mods have sig editting powers?

[Flygon_Zero]

I don't know why they would be afraid. I personally am not one of them, but know that there are some of them out there. They seem to think that complaining about something to someone of rank can be seen in some odd way as something worth a ban. I quite honestlu don't know why they'd be afraid.

Are the core Admins here on PC just allowed to make decisions and completely over rule others? This seems a bit much. I think it's best to have a sort of voting process like we have at a forum where I am an Admin. There, everyone with a position of SMod or higher must vote on a decision. The Admins don't just over rule others, they could, but they don't. It's a voting system and I think it works really well.

 

[aRedMoon]

@Abby: Thought so. ^^; Sleep good~

@F_Z: Normally, stuff is decided between Abby, Andy, Anthony, [Erica,] Kay, and Dakota. However, admins show up every now and then and can override any decision.

 

[Rukario]

I too would like to comment fully on this matter but it's late here as well..
basicly i was expecting the smods+ to handle the sig issues presented in the staff forum.
while letting mods edit sigs is convienent, i'm a little concerned giving editing powers to regualr mods.. not because i don't think they can handle it, i'm sure they can, but becase it's really not their job.. their job is to monitor and improve their assigned forum(s) and to promote PC.

more on this tomorow when i can think and write better..

 

[aaaaaa]

Okay.
You gotta figure, we have a large member base. A darn large member base.
Now, in Theory there're 13 people who currently had the ability to edit a signiture.
In practice, there're 4 people who actually give a toss enough to do so, and are active enough.
Abigail.
Andy.
Jake.
Dakota.
Now, as I type this, not a single one of them is online.
But there ARE four mods online.
These are people who have been entrusted with the ability already to see IP's edit posts, split posts, merge posts, see the mod lounge. The higher staff trust us.
So say, "Joe Blow" puts up a signiture with an image 100000px wide, just to irriate people. Hey, let's even throw in some inflamatory comments in there. Assuming that Jake could be out all night and not online (Conceivable), that leaves no-one to fix this problem. It's at LEAST five hours until the other three people get online. Alot can happen in five hours.
I definately think mods having this ability is a good idea. We're trust-worthy enough to edit your posts, so why not enough to protect you for layout-breaking, or abusive, signatures? If you do nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about. But when someone calls you "A fruxing fag0t" in their signiture and there's no higher staff online to take it out, you'll be glad that mod's can do it.

 

[PichuSecretBase]

Moderators are admin's little helpers that have assigned sections of PC but giving us a more universal power, I dont find a power with. PC isn't a democracy. Staff can do what they want when they want a member can't change that. Yknow what. When I edit a sig its to mostly take out breaks. That does so much change *rolls eye* I just tell the member to take out something, if they don't then I take out something. JK, your not a mod, and you're the only one who think mods shouldnt have this power, so tear tear for you, you can't change it~!

 

[Claire]

ya, that's exactly what i was thinking sawah
especially at this kinda time of the day, and earlier when there's hardly anyone on at all

 

[Spectrum]

Okay.
You gotta figure, we have a large member base. A darn large member base.
Now, in Theory there're 13 people who currently had the ability to edit a signiture.
In practice, there're 4 people who actually give a toss enough to do so, and are active enough.
Abigail.
Andy.
Jake.
Dakota.
Now, as I type this, not a single one of them is online.
But there ARE four mods online.
These are people who have been entrusted with the ability already to see IP's edit posts, split posts, merge posts, see the mod lounge. The higher staff trust us.
So say, "Joe Blow" puts up a signiture with an image 100000px wide, just to irriate people. Hey, let's even throw in some inflamatory comments in there. Assuming that Jake could be out all night and not online (Conceivable), that leaves no-one to fix this problem. It's at LEAST five hours until the other three people get online. Alot can happen in five hours.
I definately think mods having this ability is a good idea. We're trust-worthy enough to edit your posts, so why not enough to protect you for layout-breaking, or abusive, signatures? If you do nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about. But when someone calls you "A fruxing fag0t" in their signiture and there's no higher staff online to take it out, you'll be glad that mod's can do it.

Like I said, that's not a Moderator's job. If you wish to give them that privilege, you could simply promote them.

 

[Arcanine]

Sawah has a great point. What if some one joined and stuck a porn pic in their sig or something real real large and it was at a time where no S-Mods or up was on? It's just going to hang around there till some one sends a PM to a S-Mod or up to remove it. There is almost always a staff member on PC. If Mods could edit sigs they could remove that image. Also like Sawah said there were only like 5 members on that can edit sigs around PC. Anyone seen the over run with large images? Or tons of images stacked on top of each other? I don't want to get 50 PMs a day or 50 requests a day saying "This member's sig is too large| You need to fix this member's sig" when Mods can also edit sigs. It would be hard on me and Abby the most because we are on PC the most.
And I would like to know what is the worry that Mods can edit sigs? Because they could edit sigs and stick something unneeded in there? Wrongfully edit a member's sig for no reason? Because they could get their account cracked into?
Come on, this is the PC staff we're talking about. Not some 5 day old n00b that don't know didly-squat about PC. We didn't pick the Mods because their avy looked good or because they made a good welcome thread or because their post count or rep is high. We picked them because they are good at what they do. And we trust them Mods or we would have never picked them as Mods for forums. Yea they might have their account cracked into. But do you remember what happened to me? Or what happened to Zap? Last I looked we were not Mods when that happened. It can happen to anyone on PC. Well maybe anyone but Steve and Kwesi, so I guess they are the only ones that should be able to edit sigs right?
So PC might be the first large Pokemon forum where Mods can edit sigs. As far as I know PC was the first to let S-Mods in the Admin CP with Admin powers, the first to have a T-Dome, the first to have sites join to make a larger forum, the first to have another Admin usergroup for the ones that don't have sites.
What is wrong with Mods being able to edit sigs? What is the big worry about Mods being able to edit sigs? S-Mods can do it and it's aokay, Admins can do it and it's just fine. It should be no different with the Mods. Yes it might be the job of an S-Mod and up, but there is a lot of members here. A lot of sigs to keep track of, a lot posts and everything. But not a lot of Senior Staff to keep an eye on it all. And we can't be on all day long. Despite the fact we are on a lot but we can't be on 24/7. Having Mods edit sigs is going to help us and the members not hurt the members. If you don't trust the Mods of PC then why the heck do we have them? Don't you think some one might crack into their account and spam their forum and delete threads and stuff? Shouldn't we only have S-Mods and up by going on what you are saying JK? You don't give a second though to that but rush to judgment on Mods being able to edit sigs. Yes I can see kind of concerned about Mods being able to edit sigs. But we talked about this, me and Abby didn't just pop on MSN one day and say "lets let Mods be able to edit sigs" the S-Mods and up talked about this. I have faith in the Mods of PC, they won't run off on a rampage editing sigs no more then an S-Mod or an Admin would do. They know better then that, they won't run around editing sigs. And like Abby said if they do then they will be de-Modded.

 

[Rocket Executive]

I agree fully with JKaiser. Giving so much power too mods, especially ones that just become mods isn't a wise move. I mean, there are ppl that use this ability just get at ppl that don't particularly like and I've seen cases on other sites where mods that could do this just ran around deleting sigs cause he felt like it. I don't see what the big deal is about sigs too. I mean, as long as they aren't obscene, offensive or a page long what's wrong with them? I think we should just have them chaged a bit rather than have size limits. I'm going to really hate resizing mine again...

 

[Ryoutarou]

It doesn't matter if the mod is new or not, the fact that he or she was picked to be one should mean that they have enough sense to only use that when they think they have to. Again the mods wouldn't do things like sig editing for personal gain, that is why they were modded because they were thought to be trustworthy and intelligent. The sig thing is a problem for those who have lower speed internet, if a person had three or four giant pictures on their sig and if at least 2 people had a sig like that on a page it would take a good while for the page to load, which might cause them to leave the page all together.

aure some people get mad at the fact that others can do this, but they have to realize that in most cases it is done for the right reason. If a mod were to edit my sig I wouldn't get mad, you have to be able to depend on the common sense of the user to know when something is done for the better of the place.

 

[Kairi]

I agree fully with JKaiser. Giving so much power too mods, especially ones that just become mods isn't a wise move. I mean, there are ppl that use this ability just get at ppl that don't particularly like and I've seen cases on other sites where mods that could do this just ran around deleting sigs cause he felt like it. I don't see what the big deal is about sigs too. I mean, as long as they aren't obscene, offensive or a page long what's wrong with them? I think we should just have them chaged a bit rather than have size limits. I'm going to really hate resizing mine again...

Regardless of this outcome, smods+ will be able to edit sigs, and will crack down on oversized ones. It's just a matter of if we have help from the rest of the staff.

If a mod acted like that here—deleting sigs at will—then they had malicious intent, and it would have come out at some point or other, and we'd de-mod them. But like said, we trust the mods to watch the forums, and just in general be -good- members. That's what we always advise someone who asks.

As for what's wrong with large sigs

--Loading Time
--Scrolling
--Page Breaking

Then there's the times they could edit sigs that are hurtful, and what not. And some CERTAIN members, who shall remain nameless, have had just such sigs.