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Newbie here needs help!

Crady

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    Hey guys, So uh... I'm sorta new to competitive battling and I've won a few battles online but I've kinda lost a lot ahah... Can anyone help me cover up holes in my team?

    So I'm running with:

    Tryanitar - Adamant 5 IV - (Recommend me a spread, the guy I got it from gave it max speed and atk. I think he was running D-dance)

    - Crunch
    - Stonedge
    - Earthquake
    - Aerial ace

    Goodra - Modest 6 IV - Maxed SP.Def and Def + some points in HP -

    - Infestation
    - Draco Meteor
    - Thunderbolt
    - Fire Blast

    Gengar @ Gengarite - 5IV Maxed Speed and SP.ATK - Timid

    - Dazzling Gleam
    - Sludgebomb
    - Energy Ball
    - Shadow Ball

    Zoroark - 5 IV Max Speed and SP.Atk - Modest

    - Extra sensory
    - Night Daze
    - Flame Thrower
    - Nasty Plot

    I have 2 other pokes but they were mostly used just to finish the story, Suggestions of Pokemons to complete my team would be greatly appreciated!
     
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    You can re-EV train Pokemon, btw.

    It's better to put all of a Modest Goodra's EVs in to Sp.Attack and HP. This maximizes its ability to sponge special hits (forget about it tanking physical attacks). Give it an Assault Vest and replace Infestation with Sludge Bomb or Focus Blast.

    Gengar's moveset isn't bad, but these would be more effective:
    -Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb, Focus Blast, Destiny Bond
    -Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb/Focus Blast, Substitute, Disable

    Tyranitar's a Pokemon that has several different viable sets. If you don't wanna re-EV train it, it MIGHT be possible for it to re-learn Dragon Dance. But I'm not sure about that, I have yet to confirm it. And since I'm too lazy to type out all of Tyranitar's sets (since almost any one of them could work for your team), here's the links to the pages with the sets:
    https://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/tyranitar
    https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/tyranitar.3490010/

    Zoroark's not the best Dark type, but you can use it if you want. If you wanna use a Nasty Plot set, it needs a Focus Sash. Zoroark is a very frail Pokemon.

    As for your remaining 2 slots, something that can take physical attacks, particularly Fighting type ones, would be good, and something to deal with Fairies, who threaten 3 of your Pokemon (Gengar can't handle everything). Steels handle the latter well. Try Ferrothorn or Scizor:

    -Ferrothorn w/Leftovers
    Nature: Relaxed/Sassy
    Ability: Iron Barbs
    EVs: 252 HP, 40 Defense, 218 Sp.Defense OR 252 HP, 126 Defense, 126 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Leech Seed, Stealth Rock, Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave, Power Whip/Protect
    Do not use Gyro Ball and Thunder Wave together.

    -Scizor w/Choice Band
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Technician
    EVs: 248 HP, 252 Attack, 8 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Bullet Punch, U-Turn, Pursuit, Superpower/Brick Break

    or

    -Scizor w/Life Orb
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Technician
    EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
    Moves: Bullet Punch, Swords Dance, Brick Break, Bug Bite/X-Scissor

    or

    -Scizor w/Leftovers
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Tech
    EVs: 252 HP, 40 Attack, 216 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Swords Dance, Bullet Punch, Roost, Bug Bite/U-Turn/X-Scissor

    As for a Fighting type/physical wall, Gliscor and Gourgeist do the job well:

    -Gliscor w/Toxic Orb
    Nature: Impish
    Ability: Poison Heal
    EVs: 252 HP, 244 Defense, 12 Speed
    Moves: Eathquake, Knock Off, Roost, Toxic

    or

    Gliscor w/Toxic Orb
    Nature: Impish
    Ability: Poison Heal
    EVs: 244 HP, 40 Defense, 224 Speed
    Moves: Substitute, Toxic, Earthquake, Protect/Roost

    -Gourgeist (Super Size) w/Leftovers
    Nature: Impish
    Ability: Frisk
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Leech Seed, Seed Bomb, Shadow Sneak, Will-o-Wisp
     
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    No Chance Without Zekrom said:
    You can re-EV train Pokemon, btw.

    It's better to put all of a Modest Goodra's EVs in to Sp.Attack and HP. This maximizes its ability to sponge special hits (forget about it tanking physical attacks). Give it an Assault Vest and replace Infestation with Sludge Bomb or Focus Blast.

    Gengar's moveset isn't bad, but these would be more effective:
    -Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb, Focus Blast, Destiny Bond
    -Shadow Ball, Sludge Bomb/Focus Blast, Substitute, Disable

    Tyranitar's a Pokemon that has several different viable sets. If you don't wanna re-EV train it, it MIGHT be possible for it to re-learn Dragon Dance. But I'm not sure about that, I have yet to confirm it. And since I'm too lazy to type out all of Tyranitar's sets (since almost any one of them could work for your team), here's the links to the pages with the sets:
    https://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/tyranitar
    https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/tyranitar.3490010/

    Zoroark's not the best Dark type, but you can use it if you want. If you wanna use a Nasty Plot set, it needs a Focus Sash. Zoroark is a very frail Pokemon.

    As for your remaining 2 slots, something that can take physical attacks, particularly Fighting type ones, would be good, and something to deal with Fairies, who threaten 3 of your Pokemon (Gengar can't handle everything). Steels handle the latter well. Try Ferrothorn or Scizor:

    -Ferrothorn w/Leftovers
    Nature: Relaxed/Sassy
    Ability: Iron Barbs
    EVs: 252 HP, 40 Defense, 218 Sp.Defense OR 252 HP, 126 Defense, 126 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Leech Seed, Stealth Rock, Gyro Ball/Thunder Wave, Power Whip/Protect
    Do not use Gyro Ball and Thunder Wave together.

    -Scizor w/Choice Band
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Technician
    EVs: 248 HP, 252 Attack, 8 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Bullet Punch, U-Turn, Pursuit, Superpower/Brick Break

    or

    -Scizor w/Life Orb
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Technician
    EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
    Moves: Bullet Punch, Swords Dance, Brick Break, Bug Bite/X-Scissor

    or

    -Scizor w/Leftovers
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Tech
    EVs: 252 HP, 40 Attack, 216 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Swords Dance, Bullet Punch, Roost, Bug Bite/U-Turn/X-Scissor

    As for a Fighting type/physical wall, Gliscor and Gourgeist do the job well:

    -Gliscor w/Toxic Orb
    Nature: Impish
    Ability: Poison Heal
    EVs: 252 HP, 244 Defense, 12 Speed
    Moves: Eathquake, Knock Off, Roost, Toxic

    or

    Gliscor w/Toxic Orb
    Nature: Impish
    Ability: Poison Heal
    EVs: 244 HP, 40 Defense, 224 Speed
    Moves: Substitute, Toxic, Earthquake, Protect/Roost

    -Gourgeist (Super Size) w/Leftovers
    Nature: Impish
    Ability: Frisk
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Leech Seed, Seed Bomb, Shadow Sneak, Will-o-Wisp
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    Oh yes I know about the reset EV thing but I can't seem to find a reset bag (not sure why I've been hitting the black bag randomly) or I'm not sure I'll be bothered (I think I will be though)

    Yes I do realize Gengarite is banned, I can take it off (this is mostly for casual play with friends but nyeh) if needed.

    Oh and my Goodra, I was evaluating it's stats and I noticed it still can throw in Sp.Attacks without the need of me EV training it and still being effective :D So yeah I'll stick to the current EV's for the Goodra.

    Also I havent been bothered to go to the Battle Maison to get those useful power items... I also plan to get a Gourgeist soon but I'm having trouble breeding and my simple minded brain can't understand some of the videos being made on youtube.
     
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    Pokemon can relearn egg moves, such as Tyranitar's Dragon Dance. Dragon Dance is only good with Mega Tyranitar because its Speed is more suitable for that role than regular Tyranitar. Until then, here are better sets for you to use:
    -Stone Edge/Rock Slide
    -Crunch
    -Pursuit
    -Fire Blast/Stealth Rock
    Nature: Sassy/Careful
    EVs: 252 HP/4 Atk/252 SDef
    Item: Leftovers/Assault Vest
    Ability: Sand Stream

    or
    -Stone Edge
    -Crunch
    -Pursuit
    -Earthquake/Ice Punch
    Nature: Jolly/Adamant
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe (Jolly) or 180 HP/252 Atk/76 Spe (Adamant)
    Item: Choice Scarf (Jolly)/Choice Band (Adamant)
    Ability: Sand Stream

    I don't like Goodra's set at all. What are you trying to accomplish with Infestation? You might trap a Goodra counter. Your EV spread is also inefficient:
    -Draco Meteor
    -Fire Blast
    -Thunderbolt/Sludge Bomb
    -Focus Blast/Dragon Tail
    Nature: Modest/Quiet/Sassy
    EVs: 248 HP/252 SAtk/8 SDef
    Item: Choice Specs/Assault Vest
    Ability: Gooey/Sap Sipper

    Zoroark isn't good this time around because of all those Fairies running around. Even though Greninja is weak to Fairies as well, it's still the preferred option because of the offensive pressure it applies with Protean:
    -Hydro Pump/Surf
    -Dark Pulse/U-turn
    -Ice Beam/U-turn
    -Hidden Power (Fire)/Grass Knot/Extrasensory
    Nature: Timid/Hasty
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Expert Belt
    Ability: Protean

    or
    -Spikes
    -Hydro Pump/Surf
    -Ice Beam/Extrasensory/Dark Pulse
    -U-turn/Taunt/Hidden Power (Fire)
    Nature: Timid
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb/Focus Sash
     
    As I said I'm not a hard core competitive battler um, I do play a few moba games though so I understand why you guys are saying, What you're suppose to be doing > What you like doing.

    I also previously mentioned the reason of my EV spread, I'll think definitely keep in mind about what you said. Is there a way a way to get a Sub stealth rock T-tar going? Sounds pretty good with Adamant.

    Oh yeah I was also wondering guys.... How would you beat a tanky Driftblim with substitute, Phantom force and left overs? 2 other skills unknown,
     
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    Indoor_Shades said:
    As I said I'm not a hard core competitive battler um, I do play a few moba games though so I understand why you guys are saying, What you're suppose to be doing > What you like doing.

    I also previously mentioned the reason of my EV spread, I'll think definitely keep in mind about what you said. Is there a way a way to get a Sub stealth rock T-tar going? Sounds pretty good with Adamant.

    Oh yeah I was also wondering guys.... How would you beat a tanky Driftblim with substitute, Phantom force and left overs? 2 other skills unknown,
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    No. I don't agree with Substitute + Stealth Rock on Tyranitar. All Tyranitar should do is sponge incoming special hits, then set up Stealth Rock on the switch. Choice sets should hit hard or fast, then get out.

    Infiltrator users like Noivern and multi-hit move abusers like Cloyster have their own ways of bypassing Substitutes (Infiltrator lets Noivern ignore Substitutes, Reflect and Light Screen while attacking, while Cloyster uses Skill Link to ensure that its multi-hit moves hit 5 times to bypass Substitutes). Sound moves also bypass Substitutes. Most of them are Normal, but Exploud can use Scrappy Boomburst to ensure that not even Substitute users and Ghost Pokemon are safe:

    Cloyster:
    -Shell Smash
    -Icicle Spear
    -Rock Blast
    -Ice Shard/Razor Shell/Hydro Pump
    Nature: Jolly/Naive
    EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
    Item: White Herb/Lum Berry
    Ability: Skill Link

    Noivern:
    -Draco Meteor
    -Flamethrower
    -Focus Blast
    -Hurricane/U-turn/Switcheroo
    Nature: Timid/Naive
    EVs: 4 HP/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Choice Specs
    Ability: Infiltrator/Frisk

    or
    -Draco Meteor
    -Flamethrower
    -Focus Blast
    -U-turn/Roost/Dragon Pulse
    Nature: Naive/Timid
    EVs: 4 Atk/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Infiltrator/Frisk

    Exploud:
    -Boomburst
    -Overheat
    -Focus Blast
    -Flamethrower
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 252 SAtk/108 SDef/148 Spe
    Item: Choice Specs
    Ability: Scrappy
     
    What about pokes to fill in the party?
     
    No Chance Without Zekrom said:
    I gave you 4 Pokemon you could add to your party in my first post. Those ones not appealing, or did you forget?
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    Was just asking for other options, I kept your suggestions in mind. I've been trying to breed a gourgeist actually and a gliscor is another option.
     
    Indoor_Shades said:
    Was just asking for other options, I kept your suggestions in mind. I've been trying to breed a gourgeist actually and a gliscor is another option.
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    Oh, ok. Here's a couple of other options for ya then:

    -Vaporeon w/Leftovers or Lum Berry
    Nature: Bold
    Ability: Water Absorb
    EVs: 252 HP, 248 Defense, 8 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Scald, Wish, Protect, Toxic/Ice Beam

    -Skarmory w/Leftovers
    Nature: Impish
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense or Sp.Defense, 4 Attack
    Moves: Brave Bird, Roost, Whirlwind, Stealth Rock/Spikes
     
    I've added a Mamoswine which I got yesterday (Adamant, 6 IV)

    It has Maxed Speed and Attack with some points in HP

    - Earthquake
    - Stealth Rock
    - Icicle crash
    - Ice share
     
    Stone Edge is better than Stealth Rocks on Mamoswine. Yeah, 110/80/60 bulk isn't that bad, but when you have a poor defensive typing like Ground/Ice, its better not to eat up a turn dropping rocks on the field (IDK why Smogon recommends sets with SR for Mamoswine). Leave entry hazards to someone else.
     
    No Chance Without Zekrom said:
    Stone Edge is better than Stealth Rocks on Mamoswine. Yeah, 110/80/60 bulk isn't that bad, but when you have a poor defensive typing like Ground/Ice, its better not to eat up a turn dropping rocks on the field (IDK why Smogon recommends sets with SR for Mamoswine). Leave entry hazards to someone else.
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    Actually, Mamoswine has a niche as a Stealth Rock user: setting up the hazard can't be blocked by Taunt thanks to Oblivious:
    -Stealth Rock
    -Earthquake
    -Ice Shard
    -Endeavor
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Focus Sash
    Ability: Oblivious
     
    PlatinumDude said:
    Actually, Mamoswine has a niche as a Stealth Rock user: setting up the hazard can't be blocked by Taunt thanks to Oblivious:
    -Stealth Rock
    -Earthquake
    -Ice Shard
    -Endeavor
    Nature: Adamant/Jolly
    EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spe
    Item: Focus Sash
    Ability: Oblivious
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    Still don't see the point when there's plenty of other good hazard setters and Thick Fat helps Mamo deal with its weaknesses.

    But hey, if you wanna use it, Indoor Shades, go ahead.
     
    Oh I forgot to mention it had thick fat.
    Where can I go about teaching my mamoswine endeavor? I can't seem to find a move tutor that does.
    I think I'll change Goodra's moveset to what you suggested me. Is it okay to have Gooey and Assault vest?
     
    Is there a substitute move for it? I'm not really bothered to breed it because the IVs passed down are random and it's also shiny haha x3
     
    Indoor_Shades said:
    Is there a substitute move for it? I'm not really bothered to breed it because the IVs passed down are random and it's also shiny haha x3
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    Going with your current Mamoswine set is okay because Mamoswine can force switches with its good STAB coverage, giving it enough time to set up Stealth Rock.
     
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