Ninetales just got 9 times cooler !

Also! One more thought (credit to @Avatar for the idea);
Considering regular Vulpix evolves into Ninetales via fire stone, how do you think Alola Vulpix will evolve into Ninetales? (Let's hope its not evolving around that ice rock.)

Interesting, I never thought about this!
Maybe we'll see a new evolution stone? When was the last time?
 
I just hope Alolan Ninetaisl get some nice Hidden Ability. Because Snow Cloak doesn't seem that useful.
 
I really love this new form. It is absolutely beautiful. I am really thinking about using it for my first playthrough.
 
I actually kinda think they ruined it. Not a fan of Alolan forms. Why not just create new Pokémon???? They wasted two potentially unique type combinations (Ice/Fairy and Ice/Steel) on two already existing Pokémon. If anything, its a sign of creative stagnation.
 
I actually kinda think they ruined it. Not a fan of Alolan forms. Why not just create new Pokémon???? They wasted two potentially unique type combinations (Ice/Fairy and Ice/Steel) on two already existing Pokémon. If anything, its a sign of creative stagnation.
Creative stagnation? These forms combined have more creativity than most of the Mega Evolutions we got this gen, and they do make sense, especially in the case of Vulpix and Ninetales. Vulpix and by extension Ninetales were based on the common red fox, and their Alola forms are both based on the artic fox. Their types and appearances have changed due to their adaptations, much like the appearances and abilities of animals change as they adapt to their environments over time, and their adaptations design wise go well with their original forms, unlike Mega Manetric which just has a giant lightning-shaped tumor on most of its body, or Mega Alakazam that for some reason went from rad street magician fox to Buddha. I do apologize but I just can't see how Alolan Ninetales or Alolan Sandslash (Iceslash?) is less creative than taking Manetric and just drawing a lightning shaped tumor over most of its body, or taking Latias and Latios and making them both the same color and shape with most of their original unique traits removed.
 
Creative stagnation? These forms combined have more creativity than most of the Mega Evolutions we got this gen

Not really. A lot of the mega evolutions were creatively brilliant. I'm gonna point to Mega Salamence and Mega Gengar as examples.

and they do make sense, especially in the case of Vulpix and Ninetales. Vulpix and by extension Ninetales were based on the common red fox, and their Alola forms are both based on the artic fox.

Then make an arctic fox Pokémon. We have several different fox-based Pokémon. They didn't see the need to appropriate Vulpix and simply retype it to create the Zorua line or the Fennekin line.

Their types and appearances have changed due to their adaptations, much like the appearances and abilities of animals change as they adapt to their environments over time

Yeah, and you know what happens when those animal species adapt in real life to their environments to the point that it changes them significantly from their predecessors? They become a different species, not just different forms of the same one. You don't point to a Boston Terrier and say "Look, its a wolf!"

I do apologize but I just can't see how Alolan Ninetales or Alolan Sandslash (Iceslash?) is less creative than taking Manetric and just drawing a lightning shaped tumor over most of its body, or taking Latias and Latios and making them both the same color and shape with most of their original unique traits removed.

Because what they've basically done here is appropriate two Pokémon that already existed and repurposed them to fill new roles that they would have been the roles filled just as well as new Pokémon. Manectric and Alakazam upon mega evolving didn't radically change––in those two examples specifically, they retained their original typing–– and even those Pokémon that did change typing at least retained part of their original typing. Here, its basically saying "We really wanted to make Ice/Fairy and Ice/Steel Pokémon but we just couldn't come up with a design, so we're repurposing some old Pokémon and making them into what would essentially be new ones."
 
Not really. A lot of the mega evolutions were creatively brilliant. I'm gonna point to Mega Salamence and Mega Gengar as examples.
There were some brilliant designs for mega evolutions this gen but most of them were just atrocious or were small changes that made you wonder why they even bothered. You had megas like Mega Diancie, Mega Pidgeot, Mega Gallade and Mega Altaria, which were well designed and took what made the original Pokemon great and made it better, and then you had Mega Sharpedo, Mega Sableye, Mega Metagross, Meta Manetric, Mega Garchomp, Mega Abomisnow and yes Mega Salamence which just... weren't that good. Why bother making Salamence into a hang glider or giving Garchomp scythes for arms? That's not very creative. Neither is giving Sableye a giant gemstone to hang on to, or giving Pokemon tumors or making two Pokemon the same color. They're not the only ones; there's others out there that are either bland or have design issues and just aren't that well thought out.

Then make an arctic fox Pokémon. We have several different fox-based Pokémon. They didn't see the need to appropriate Vulpix and simply retype it to create the Zorua line or the Fennekin line.
We have two other fox Pokemon lines; the Zoroark line and the Delphox line, which isn't all that many concerning the number of foxes out there in the world. (I guess you could include the Eevee line if you wished to up it to three but I'm not entirely sure Eevee counts as a fox so I'll leave it out of formally being a fox just for simplicity's sake.) They're both very different from the Ninetales line; the Zoroark line is much more like a typical youkai than a red fox, being both an embodiment of Ninetail's traditional shapeshifting abilities and trickery and evolving into a werefox, and the Delphox line is based off the fennec fox which is farther away on the family tree compared to the red fox and artic fox. Red and artic foxes are somewhat closely related, sharing a close common ancestor, thus it would make sense for the Ninetales line to be able to essentially transition from red fox to artic fox, at least in terms of Pokemon logic.

Yeah, and you know what happens when those animal species adapt in real life to their environments to the point that it changes them significantly from their predecessors? They become a different species, not just different forms of the same one. You don't point to a Boston Terrier and say "Look, its a wolf!"
I wouldn't compare the selective breeding done by humans to domesticated animals like dogs and cats to the processes of natural selection. Dogs are bred for differing purposes, not for maximum survivability. As for species in the real world, they can and often are more closely related to each other than the ones in the Pokemon world. In the real world there are several species of similar animal that closely resemble each other and can technically even breed under special circumstances (dogs can breed with wolves, and domesticated cats can breed with wild ones, and heck tigers can breed with lions and horses can breed with donkeys and even zebras, though there are very certain limits and they won't normally breed with each other under most circumstances.) In the Pokemon world every single Pokemon is technically included in a species listed in their Pokedex entries, and they can and do jump species and even type of animal when evolving (i.e. Remoraid to Octillery, Charmeleon to Charizard, Slugma to Magcargo, and so on.) They also can breed with what should be completely different kinds of animal living in completely separate biomes to produce offspring like Skitty and Wailord. Pokemon species in comparison to real life species just don't correlate that well at all.

Because what they've basically done here is appropriate two Pokémon that already existed and repurposed them to fill new roles that they would have been the roles filled just as well as new Pokémon. Manectric and Alakazam upon mega evolving didn't radically change––in those two examples specifically, they retained their original typing–– and even those Pokémon that did change typing at least retained part of their original typing. Here, its basically saying "We really wanted to make Ice/Fairy and Ice/Steel Pokémon but we just couldn't come up with a design, so we're repurposing some old Pokémon and making them into what would essentially be new ones."
Mega Evolution and adapting to a new environment can't really be compared like that. You're essentially comparing a superhero's transformation with Eevee evolving to keep up with its native environment; it's not a very good comparison. Mega Evolved Pokemon change through exposure to a Mega Stone and their Trainer's Key Stone, and it's a very temporary transformation while Alola Forms are Pokemon coming into a new environment and acclimating themselves to it much like Eevee did, except over a much longer period of time. Pokemon changing their appearance and types is a thing that's happened both in the trading card game and in the anime, so it only makes sense it would appear here. If you consider the Eevee line foxes we already have an artic fox in the form of Glaceon, and it mirrors what already has started to happen in Hawaii; non-native species have come in and have adapted to their new habitats.

(Sorry for the long wall of text by the way.)
 
There were some brilliant designs for mega evolutions this gen but most of them were just atrocious or were small changes that made you wonder why they even bothered. You had megas like Mega Diancie, Mega Pidgeot, Mega Gallade and Mega Altaria, which were well designed and took what made the original Pokemon great and made it better, and then you had Mega Sharpedo, Mega Sableye, Mega Metagross, Meta Manetric, Mega Garchomp, Mega Abomisnow and yes Mega Salamence which just... weren't that good. Why bother making Salamence into a hang glider or giving Garchomp scythes for arms? That's not very creative. Neither is giving Sableye a giant gemstone to hang on to, or giving Pokemon tumors or making two Pokemon the same color. They're not the only ones; there's others out there that are either bland or have design issues and just aren't that well thought out.

That's subjective. What's the point of making Salamanca like a hang glider and giving Garchomp scythes? Uh, because its appealing from a design standpoint. A lot of those designs were VERY well received among the fanbase, especially Salamence.

We have two other fox Pokemon lines; the Zoroark line and the Delphox line, which isn't all that many concerning the number of foxes out there in the world. (I guess you could include the Eevee line if you wished to up it to three but I'm not entirely sure Eevee counts as a fox so I'll leave it out of formally being a fox just for simplicity's sake.) They're both very different from the Ninetales line; the Zoroark line is much more like a typical youkai than a red fox, being both an embodiment of Ninetail's traditional shapeshifting abilities and trickery and evolving into a werefox, and the Delphox line is based off the fennec fox which is farther away on the family tree compared to the red fox and artic fox. Red and artic foxes are somewhat closely related, sharing a close common ancestor, thus it would make sense for the Ninetales line to be able to essentially transition from red fox to artic fox, at least in terms of Pokemon logic.

That's still multiple fox-based Pokémon. So, why not just add another one to the mix? A completely new one based on an arctic fox. We have, what, five different Pokémon lines all based off of different kinds of cats (about to be six with Litten's line), We also have about the same number of Pokémon species based off of different species of turtles. So, what's the harm in adding another fox line. And Vulpix and Ninetales aren't really that close to red foxes. They're more based off of Kitsune, the Japanese fox spirit, especially when you look at the fact that they have multiple tails (something not true of real red foxes). If anything, Braixen and Delphox are closer to the traditional red fox.

I wouldn't compare the selective breeding done by humans to domesticated animals like dogs and cats to the processes of natural selection. Dogs are bred for differing purposes, not for maximum survivability.

That is literally irrelevant. Its still an example of an animal literally becoming a new species.

As for species in the real world, they can and often are more closely related to each other than the ones in the Pokemon world. In the real world there are several species of similar animal that closely resemble each other and can technically even breed under special circumstances (dogs can breed with wolves, and domesticated cats can breed with wild ones, and heck tigers can breed with lions and horses can breed with donkeys and even zebras, though there are very certain limits and they won't normally breed with each other under most circumstances.)

Uh, in a lot of those cases, the resultant offspring of such pairings are sterile. Although I've NEVER heard of a wolf and a dog or a domestic cat and a wild cat interbreeding. Part of being within the same species means that two of the animal can reproduce and produce offspring that can then go on to reproduce themselves.

In the Pokemon world every single Pokemon is technically included in a species listed in their Pokedex entries, and they can and do jump species and even type of animal when evolving (i.e. Remoraid to Octillery, Charmeleon to Charizard, Slugma to Magcargo, and so on.) They also can breed with what should be completely different kinds of animal living in completely separate biomes to produce offspring like Skitty and Wailord. Pokemon species in comparison to real life species just don't correlate that well at all.

Actually, untrue. Ever hear of egg groups? Not every Pokémon can interbreed with every other species. A Delcatty can't produce an egg with an Exeggutor. Only Pokémon in the same egg group can produce an egg together. So, Pokémon is more akin to a "kingdom" or "phylum" than it is to a species.

Mega Evolution and adapting to a new environment can't really be compared like that. You're essentially comparing a superhero's transformation with Eevee evolving to keep up with its native environment; it's not a very good comparison.

What? You're not making any sense.

Mega Evolved Pokemon change through exposure to a Mega Stone and their Trainer's Key Stone, and it's a very temporary transformation while Alola Forms are Pokemon coming into a new environment and acclimating themselves to it much like Eevee did, except over a much longer period of time.

Yeah, and you know what happens to the Eevee? Its no longer an Eevee. Its become an entirely different species of Pokémon.

Pokemon changing their appearance and types is a thing that's happened both in the trading card game and in the anime, so it only makes sense it would appear here.

Yeah, and when they change typings, they usually become different species of Pokémon.

If you consider the Eevee line foxes we already have an artic fox in the form of Glaceon, and it mirrors what already has started to happen in Hawaii; non-native species have come in and have adapted to their new habitats.

Yeah, and at the end of that process of adaptation, those species will become DIFFERENT SPECIES of animal. It would have been more true to introduce a new species of Pokémon based off of an arctic fox and an "ice shrew" or whatever and just say that those species were descended from the Vulpix and Sandshrew lines of Kanto.
 
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