Nintendo is Falling Apart

[Lucifer.]

Oh yeah absolutely, I'm not disputing that.

 

[Dark Sora]

So are you calling the people who like the DS "idiots?" And actually, when I pick up a PSP, I think "Wow, this is gonne break the first time I dropped it" or "Wow, MP3, DVD AND game system. Wait, I have all those things seperate!"

Actually, PSP is much more stronger than the DS. I have dropped my PSP once (no I'm definately NOT proud of that. I was about to cry when it fell XD) and it was perfectly fine. But with the DS, all you have to do is just pull back the screen a little and then Walah! It's broken XD

Also, why have a bunch of things all over the place, when you can just have it all in one? What kind of moron would carry around an MP3, DVD player and a video game console?

ALSO, when Andy got his PSP, he told me, himself, that it's much better than the DS. (I just had to say it. It's the best way to prove my point XD)

 

[Kurosaki]

Actually, PSP is much more stronger than the DS. I have dropped my PSP once (no I'm definately NOT proud of that. I was about to cry when it fell XD) and it was perfectly fine. But with the DS, all you have to do is just pull back the screen a little and then Walah! It's broken XD

Yeah, but what kind of retard would pull the screen all the way back? XD

Also, why have a bunch of things all over the place, when you can just have it all in one? What kind of moron would carry around an MP3, DVD player and a video game console?

I do. Im not wasting 300-400 bucks on stuff I already have. >>

ALSO, when Andy got his PSP, he told me, himself, that it's much better than the DS. (I just had to say it. It's the best way to prove my point XD)

I've played one as well at my friends house, and I quite honestly wasn't that impressed. Wahoo, a tiny PS2 >> Also, there's no way you could play that thing in broad daylight, you cant frickin see the screen, XD

 

[Arcanine]

Well, Andy, the two screens and the touch screen was a nice idea, but It get's kinda annoying.

I know you don't have a DS Kevin so I won't go to hard on you. XD

Dual Screen- Though you are allowed to veiw more, with the second screen, it get's really distracting. Looking back forth at the two screens, and all. When it was just one screen, you can veiw the map and your character at the same time, so you didnt have to keep looking back and forth. But with the two screens, looking back and forth will get really annoying and cause you to flip out and lose XD

Kevin you don't look at both screens ever sec. You look at the main screen and you glance at the map every now and then. When you play racing games on the PS2 or whatever are you spending 50% of the time driving the car and 50% of the time looking at the map? I don't, I glance over at the map to see how far ahead everyone is or how far behind they are. Only like 5%- of the time I spend looking at the map. So I like it better having one screen a large map so I don't take forever searching for myself. Thus helping me from "flip out and lose", because I can find myself quicker meaning I spend less time looking at the map.

Touch Screen- It might be fun for a while, but then it gets boring and your hand begins cramping pretty quickly

And it doesn't with a D-Pad? And not all DS games use the touch-screen.

Xbox didn't but PS2 did destroy GameCube in sales. It was a distant third.

The PS2 came out = Otcober 26th, 2000
The GC came out = November 19th, 2001
Is it just me or is there a little time gap there?
And the GC sales not far from the X-Box's.

The Ps2 introduced the eyetoy which is fun on so many levels.

And Nintendo put out the microphone on the N64. So you could talk to your game. And the eyetoy they most likely got the idea from Nintendo. Anyone remember the GameBoy Camera? Where you could take pics of yourself (or others) and put them on your GB and play games with it, twist the pics around, draw on them etc.

PS2 and Xbox introduced online gaming in the home living room on the console for the first time.

Online gaming, I'll give it that. They did make the first online games.

The PS3 is taking online to a new level with letting you browse websites just from the ps2. (browse PC!) The x360's hardrive capabilites let you use it as a Tivo, which was originally on the PSX but this is the first time in the us. Sony and Microsoft are doing a lot of things iinnovative. They don't get as much credit.

Browse websites, big whoop. Ever heard of a computer? That's what you use to surf the web, not a game system. Browse PC? That's nice, try posting. You got to go buy a mouse and a keyboard (unless you got two that runs into the USB port, I don't). So you are going to spend more money to "surf the web" when you can use a computer to do the same and do it better.
I can understand a buddy list thing on a site. And I can understand a message board just for the system (like you can go to a Revolution site on the Revolution and the only way to get there is by owning and going there on your Nintendo Revolution). But getting on the internet I can't understand (that's what computers are for, and let me guess, you can't download your own web browser).

Yes, but not as much. Losing 3rd party support means it takes games longer to come out. I really can't see another good gamecube game coming out that is an exclusive except Zelda and Geist. 3rd party support is supposed to fill the gap of how long it takes games to come out.

They got three new game systems going to come out. I can see that they might be working on new games for them. Thus slowing down games on this gen's systems. Sure Sony might be getting their 3rd party support to keep on with the PS2 (Sony still made games for the PS even after the PS2 was out, and they said they will do the same with the PS3). But for all we know Nintendo is telling their 3rd party supporters to screw the GC and work on Revolution games (it's good or bad from your point of view. It would be good because everyone is working on the Revolution and getting games for that when it gets out. Or it's bad because Nintendo is ditching the GC and not making games for it. But since all you Game Cube hates hate the GC then you would like option 2).

The DS would have been just as good with it having one touch screen. Nintendo knows that the two screens idea would attract idiots. Play the PSP, its just amazing. You'll forget all about it as soon as you pick it up and playing a game, watching movies, listening to music, and cooking supper.

"Attract idiots"? So you're calling me an idiot because I own a DS? As well as every other DS owner out there?
I do like my PSP better (having an MP3 player, a movie player, and being able to look at pics on it is good). But it doesn't mean I'll throw my DS out the window because the PSP is better (in my option). That's like throwing your printer out the window because it doesn't FAX, Copy, Scan along with the printing.

When I pick up a PSP, I think "usually I'd have to carry three separate devices to accomplish what this one can do!" or "this is as close as it gets to console-quality experience on the go!"

That's a lot to think about in such a short time. I think of one thing when I see the PSP. "PSP". XD

That sounds like a Nintendo robot is speaking through you. "Wow, I'm in the mood for something different!" Come on! That "something different" will get old quickly. With not many good uses for the touch screen and a lacklustre game library, you'll soon be "in the mood" for a real gaming system. Why buy a system that tries so hard to be innovative that it fails at the most traditional aspects of a gaming system: Good number of games, graphics, design, control? PSP gets every traditional aspect of a gaming system right, IMO, but it lacks a touch screen. That's the only thing that separates them really. If DS's touch screen was taken away, it would have NOTHING. So, is a touch screen better than mp3 playback, mp4 playback, photo viewing, near-PS2 graphics, high-capacity disc media, widescreen aspect ratio, high resolution, and large number of games? If you said "yes", then...I don't know.

Like I said before. Where have you guys been? Seen E3 lately? Seen the games that will be on the DS? I also agree that the DS starting line-up sucked worse then crap standing next to the PSP. But Nintendo has some good games lined up for the DS. If you took a little time to look at the games that's going to come out other then trying to bash the DS into the ground then you would see it. Remember how I was talking about how I don't own a DS game? It's still true, but I got a good many games planed out for the DS.

It's sounding like Revolution may be all about innovation too. Didn't Iwatu (or some big guy at NOA) say that "this generation will not be about hardware"? Is he joking? When the other two competitors are releasing living-room super computers, is just playing games gonna be enough? I don't think it will. If Rev doesn't kill, Nintendo will definitely fall apart soon.

It's ture, I don't want some stinking super computer in my room. If I want a computer I'll go buy a computer. The only reason why I don't play computer games is one little thing. It's a game on the computer! I want a game system, not a game computer. I liked little add ons to the system (I loved the PS2's DVD player, it's the only reason I don't have a DVD player in my room, I love the PSP's MP3 player, I'll never buy a MP3 player) but I don't want a system that is more computer then a game system. I bet you didn't buy the PSP because you wanted to have an MP3 player or to watch movies on it, I bet you didn't buy the PS2 to watch DVDs and play CDs on it. I bet the main reason why you and 99% of people out got them systems is to play games. The DVD player, the MP3 player and so on is a nice add on and might have helped on making up your mind to buy it. But when you come right down to it, you got them systems to play games.
The main reason why I want a PS3 and a Revolution is; I want to play games. Not surf the web, not play movies, not listen to music, not look at pictures, not chatting online, not going to message boards. Them are nice add ons, but I buy a game system to play games.

 

[Gorosaurus]

The Ps2 introduced the eyetoy which is fun on so many levels. PS2 and Xbox introduced online gaming in the home living room on the console for the first time. The PS3 is taking online to a new level with letting you browse websites just from the ps2. (browse PC!) The x360's hardrive capabilites let you use it as a Tivo, which was originally on the PSX but this is the first time in the us. Sony and Microsoft are doing a lot of things iinnovative. They don't get as much credit.

-Gameboy Camera introduced interactive photography loooong before the eyetoy.

-Nintendo introduced online gaming with both the Famicom and Super Famicom. Its complete and utter failure in Japan stopped it from making it elsewhere. Nintendo has waited patiently until online gaming is once again profitable and a worthwhile investment.

-The Sega Dreamcast allowed users to access the Internet long before the PSP or this new Playstation. It was, and will continue to be, simply a gimmick.. and will pale in comparison to what the Internet was made to be accessed with (As proven by the failure of WebTV, if you are not yet satisfied)

-Microsoft immitating another company is not innovation. That's immitation. Tivo isn't even new technology; it's a nice feature, but hardly worthy of being listed as innovation



Nintendo wins

 

[Dark Sora]

And it doesn't with a D-Pad? And not all DS games use the touch-screen.

Actually...No. It doesnt XD I find the D-Pad much easier to use. Also, there are games such a Niewtuful Joe for DS, where you have to use the directional buttons and the touch-screen at the same time. So that sucks really bad XD

Also, there's no way you could play that thing in broad daylight, you cant frickin see the screen, XD

But there's a button inder the screen, to change the lighting, so you can see it better under any weather XP I win XD

The PS2 came out = Otcober 26th, 2000

October 26th? I thought it came out on December 31st o.O

-The Sega Dreamcast allowed users to access the Internet long before the PSP or this new Playstation. It was, and will continue to be, simply a gimmick.. and will pale in comparison to what the Internet was made to be accessed with (As proven by the failure of WebTV, if you are not yet satisfied)

But what does that have to do with Nintendo? from what I remember, this thread is about Nintendo, not where Playstation got their awesome features from.

 

[Arcanine]

Actually...No. It doesnt XD I find the D-Pad much easier to use. Also, there are games such a Niewtuful Joe for DS, where you have to use the directional buttons and the touch-screen at the same time. So that sucks really bad XD

And you want Viewtuful Joe. XD
Well say what you want. I still like the idea of the touch screen.

October 26th? I thought it came out on December 31st o.O

If it's wrong then sue GameSpot. XD
Never the less, the PS2 came out a year before the GC.

But what does that have to do with Nintendo? from what I remember, this thread is about Nintendo, not where Playstation got their awesome features from.

If it's about Nintendo then why is everyone talking about the PS, PS2, PS3, PSP, X-Box, and the 360. And putting down Nintendo by saying ... is better then what's on Nintendo's system? To me this should be about Nintendo, not a open thread to bash Nintendo by making Sony or Mircosoft look like they are better.

 

[MegaDitto]

I don't know if I am really right, but I rebember Nintendo was founded in like 1880-1900. It is way too old and orignal to die to me. Soon in the future, cars may be made by nintendo and household items and things like that.

 

[Arcanine]

I don't know if I am really right, but I rebember Nintendo was founded in like 1880-1900. It is way too old and orignal to die to me. Soon in the future, cars may be made by nintendo and household items and things like that.

Well I heard somewhere that Nintendo was a card game back in WWII. If you want to count it way back then. But they didn't start making game systems untill the 80's.

 

[MegaDitto]

Well I heard somewhere that Nintendo was a card game back in WWII. If you want to count it way back then. But they didn't start making game systems untill the 80's.

That's what it started with. I rebember. It was not game systems for a long time like you said. At that time, the technology was not made yet. Either way. Nintedndo tried hard to rise up, so they will never give up.

 

[Dark Sora]

World War II? *imagines the Nintendo company building getting blown to pieces by the atomic bomb* XD

Anyways, I'm talking about Nintendo, not Playstation. So dont look at me XD

 

[Casual Billy]

That's a lot to think about in such a short time. I think of one thing when I see the PSP. "PSP". XD

Yeah, but that was in response to someone who said that when they pick up PSP, they think ?Wow, this is gonne break the first time I dropped it" or "Wow, MP3, DVD AND game system. Wait, I have all those things seperate!"

Just tryin? to show the other side of the coin there. I really just think ?yes!? lol

The PS2 came out = Otcober 26th, 2000
The GC came out = November 19th, 2001
Is it just me or is there a little time gap there?
And the GC sales not far from the X-Box's.

Yeah, the time gap was definitely a factor but others were at play as well. And yeah, GC and Xbox are only separated by like 1 million sales last time I heard with PS2 being separated from both of them by much, much more.

I want to play games. Not surf the web, not play movies, not listen to music, not look at pictures, not chatting online, not going to message boards. Them are nice add ons, but I buy a game system to play games.

That makes sense but what if the other systems played games and did all of that other stuff too? Would that not make them better than Nintendo?s system? And seeing as how they are gonna have super-computing power, it?s gonna enhance gameplay even more. What if Nintendo sticks to games and still can?t do that as well as a convergence machine? That?s what it?s looking like is going to happen.

 

[Arcanine]

Yeah, the time gap was definitely a factor but others were at play as well. And yeah, GC and Xbox are only separated by like 1 million sales last time I heard with PS2 being separated from both of them by much, much more.

Just about everyone I know has a PS2. Mainly because it was out a year before the other two. The main reason why Sony is leading in sells for the PS2 is because it started first (that's like running a 10 mile race and one person gets to start 1 mile ahead of the rest, I'm not saying they cheated or anything, it's just Sony got their system out before the rest).

That makes sense but what if the other systems played games and did all of that other stuff too? Would that not make them better than Nintendo?s system? And seeing as how they are gonna have super-computing power, it?s gonna enhance gameplay even more. What if Nintendo sticks to games and still can?t do that as well as a convergence machine? That?s what it?s looking like is going to happen.

Like I said, I like add ons. But I buy a system to play games. Sure I like how the PS2 has a DVD player (it was a reason why I got the PS2, but I wanted more then a DVD player thus meaning I wanted a game system) but I play games on it more then I watch movies. It's a nice add on but the games is what I wanted (I got three computers here, they all play DVDs I am not looking for a DVD player).

 

[Ninja]

Wow, you posts get more and more immature. If you ask me what my favs games on the GCN were up there you would find the EA sports games, resident evil, timesplitters, sonic adventure 2 battle, final fantasy crystal chronicle, phantasy star online, and numerous others. Obviously you have not seen many of the great non-zelda and Mario games the gamecube has to offer.

We're talking about nintendo exclusives.

Just about everyone I know has a PS2. Mainly because it was out a year before the other two. The main reason why Sony is leading in sells for the PS2 is because it started first (that's like running a 10 mile race and one person gets to start 1 mile ahead of the rest, I'm not saying they cheated or anything, it's just Sony got their system out before the rest).

As Randy(Nintendo of America employee) stated when pulling out PSP and DS sales and he mentioned that the DS was out first he said,"THAT'S THEIR PROBLEM, NOT OURS." Truer words couldn't have been spoken.

And Nintendo put out the microphone on the N64. So you could talk to your game. And the eyetoy they most likely got the idea from Nintendo. Anyone remember the GameBoy Camera? Where you could take pics of yourself (or others) and put them on your GB and play games with it, twist the pics around, draw on them etc.

Hahahaha, are you joking? That's like comparing a camera and a camcorder. Oh wait it is! Dude are you crazy their so different. It's like comparing black and white. The eyetoy has an interaction feature that was so much more emmursive then the 8 year old gameboy camera. I can gurantee you this was a Sony deal.

The point is I only think Nintendo is crumbling because they're getting worse in sales (compared to their successor). I just want a Nintendo console. Again, I made a post saying the Gamecube was a dissapointment. IT WAS, thats all. Just an opinon. I won't drop down to your levels you guys any further. Meaning i'm DONE discussing this crap.

and remember I LOVE NINTENDO

 

[Dark Penguin]

The Ps2 introduced the eyetoy which is fun on so many levels. PS2 and Xbox introduced online gaming in the home living room on the console for the first time. The PS3 is taking online to a new level with letting you browse websites just from the ps2. (browse PC!) The x360's hardrive capabilites let you use it as a Tivo, which was originally on the PSX but this is the first time in the us. Sony and Microsoft are doing a lot of things iinnovative. They don't get as much credit.

the eyetoy fun? from what i heard about it on Judgement Day, it sucks. They said you had to bring in "a freakin stagelight from my garage just to get the stinkin thing to work" (Tommy from Judgement Day on g4). All it does is let you play (crappy) games by moving your hand, face etc. Even g4 said you shouldn't give it the time of day. The eye toy does not even deserve to be compared to Nintendo's innovativeness. yeah, they did come out with the first internet play, but like someone else said, it was obvious that it was going to come out, it was only a matter of when (and by whom). And even though they made it, they didn't do much to promote it as the Xbox was the system that made online gaming so popular. o boy, i can browse the internet on my video game system, with limited functionabilities, so that i don't have to get up and walk all of 20 feet to my computer, with complete control. like Andy said, its pointless and you have to buy more stuff to use it, so since you obviously have a computer (unless you have internet without a computer 0.o ) then its completely useless and stupid. Thats why i like the Revolution - they may not put all the "latest innovations" in their systems, but the ones that they leave out are the pointless ones that would just raise the price of the system. and actually they get most of the credit (like Microsoft and Xbox Live) when it is really Nintendo that has revolutionized video gaming and not got any credit (from people like yourself).

The DS would have been just as good with it having one touch screen. Nintendo knows that the two screens idea would attract idiots. Play the PSP, its just amazing. You'll forget all about it as soon as you pick it up and playing a game, watching movies, listening to music, and cooking supper.

o boy, you're on a roll. What were some other things you said.....o yeah, Nintendo's innovation is crap, and the GCN only has about 7 worthwhile games. And now all DS owners are idiots. Boy, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Believe it or not, something other than what you have can be good. If you have the PSP and like it thats great, its a great system. However, i didn't buy my DS for the two screens, but for a number of reasons (that i don't care to waste my time telling you about; considering i am an idiot). I don't care if the PSP can play DVDs and the what not (i don't care if it can make a frekin pizza - though that would be cool XD ) - the point is, i already own things that can have those functions and i see no point in wasting $100 to buy something i already have. I may buy the DS media player, but thats because it is only $30 bucks and if i have the money, mayaswell. But $30 is a lot different than $100, and thats the main reason why i didn't buy a PSP. I have nothing against it; i just like Nintendo games better, all my friends have DS's, and i saw no point to blow $100 on something i already have. But that doesn't make me and all other people who have DS's idiots.

 

[Ninja]

Oh so you've never used an Eyetoy but you'll take sombody elses word for it on G4. You don't have your own mind to go to a freaking Circuit City and try it out? Plus you're not reading into what i'm saying well enough. I SAID... Nintendo knew that the 2 screens is better than 1 would get a lot of people. But your smart, and you love Nintendo. So you and Arcanine would have gotten it regardless. Hah. I'm seriously done you guys. Don't quote me or flame, that tempts me to come back and make you look lame.

 

[Evil Swampert]

Well, I think it's falling apart.Over where I am,they're hardly producing anything,except GBA games.

 

[Dark Penguin]

OK, except for the fact every time you post you make yourself look worse and worse. I am not going to start a flame war (which you have been [directly or indirectly] creating), but i do have some things to comment on. First of all, i don't comment on something that i haven't tried (unlike you, obviously). I played Eye Toy at my friends house (who hadn't used it since he bought it), and left after about 5 mins to play Zone of the Enders.

And the two screens is by far not a gimmick; rather it is another example of Nintendo's innovation. As much as you may think its stupid (and its painfully obvious that you do not own, nor have ever play a DS for more than 3 minutes), it really is a unique feature that can be put to use to make some truely innovative games (like Advance Wars DS and Black and White DS, for example).

And Arcanine also has a PSP, and has admitted he likes it better. So what was that bash at him and me supposed to mean?

And by looking at your rep, and the amount of criticism you have recieved for calling DS owners idiots, i think you are the one looking lame. But this is the end of it; like i said earlier, i have no intention of getting in trouble for starting a flame war.

 

[Ninja]

Ahh you dragged me back in.

I was at even and then you gave me a negative rep(YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON), so I returned the favor. The only thing you lack is the ability to read my post. I wasn't directly calling you guys idiots.

 

[Dark Penguin]

No, your right, you were just saying that Nintendo was aiming the two screens at idiots who would think two screens is better than one. And since i like my DS and both its screens, according to your quote i am an idiot. And its no wonder i gave you a negative rep, you called me an idiot and were flaming about things you don't even know about (Nintendo's innovation is crap; the gamecube had 7 good games, etc). I had a reason - your only reason was that i gave you one, so you returned the favor (maybe i did deserve it, but at least i had a vaild reason).

And finally, in my last post i said i was ending it, not dragging you back in. But just in case your monitor is a little dusty, i am ending it right now. Back on topic.