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NKorea warns of war if punished for ship sinking.

Yuukihime

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  • Alright I looked around, didn't see a thread about it. The one that I did see was a broad topic of doomsday e-e; Feel free to lock it if there's already a thread on it.


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    SEOUL, South Korea – North Korea, accused of waging the deadliest attack on the South Korean military since the Korean War, flatly denied sinking a warship Thursday and warned that retaliation would mean "all-out war."

    Evidence presented Thursday to prove North Korea fired a torpedo that sank a South Korean ship was fabricated by Seoul, North Korean naval spokesman Col. Pak In Ho told broadcaster APTN in an exclusive interview in Pyongyang.

    He warned that any move to sanction or strike North Korea would be met with force.

    "If (South Korea) tries to deal any retaliation or punishment, or if they try sanctions or a strike on us .... we will answer to this with all-out war," he told APTN.

    An international team of civilian and military investigators declared earlier in Seoul that a North Korean submarine fired a homing torpedo at the Cheonan on March 26, ripping the 1,200-ton ship in two.

    Fifty-eight sailors were rescued, but 46 died — South Korea's worst military disaster since a truce ended the three-year Korean War in 1953.

    President Lee Myung-bak vowed to take "resolute countermeasures" and called an emergency security meeting for Friday.

    The White House called the sinking an unacceptable "act of aggression" that violated international law and the 1953 truce. U.S. troops in and around South Korea remained on the same level of alert, said Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    U.S. State Department officials reacted cautiously Thursday, refusing to call the attack an act of war or state-sponsored terror. The Obama administration's tempered response was an indication of how few options President Barack Obama has and how volatile the situation is.

    "There's no interest in seeing the Korean peninsula explode," said P.J. Crowley, U.S. State Department spokesman.

    Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama declared his support for South Korea, calling North Korea's actions "inexcusable."

    However, South Korea's options for retaliation are limited.

    The armistice prevents Seoul from waging a unilateral military attack, and South Korea would not risk any retaliation that could lead to war, said North Korea expert Yoo Ho-yeol at Korea University in Seoul.

    "That could lead to a completely uncontrollable situation," he said, noting that Seoul and its 10 million residents are within striking range of North Korea's forward-deployed artillery.

    South Korea and the U.S., which has 28,500 troops on the peninsula, could hold another round of joint military exercises in a show of force, said Daniel Pinkston, a Seoul-based analyst for the International Crisis Group think tank.

    He also said the military will likely improve its early warning surveillance abilities and anti-submarine warfare capabilities to prevent such surprise attacks in the future.

    Analysts said Seoul could move to punish North Korea financially, and Foreign Minister Yu Myung-hwan also has said Seoul would consider taking it to the U.N. Security Council. However, the matter did not arise Thursday during a Security Council meeting on Sudan, several ambassadors said afterward.

    The impoverished country is already suffering from U.N. sanctions tightened last year in the wake of widely condemned nuclear and missile tests.

    Any new Security Council action would require backing from permanent seat holder China, but analyst Koh Yu-hwan at Seoul's Dongguk University said Beijing, North Korea's traditional ally and backer during the Korean War, was unlikely to accept the Cheonan investigation report.

    China responded mildly to the report, with Vice Foreign Minister Cui Tiankai calling the sinking "unfortunate" and reiterating the need to maintain peace on the Korean peninsula.

    North Korea is accused of waging a slew of attacks on South Korea over the years, including the 1987 downing of a South Korean airliner that killed all 115 people on board. It has never owned up to the attacks, and Seoul has never retaliated militarily.

    Since the signing of a nonaggression pact in 1991, clashes between the North and South have focused on the waters off their west coast.

    North Korea disputes the maritime border drawn unilaterally by U.N. forces at the close of the Korean War, and the area where the Cheonan sank has been the site of several deadly naval clashes, most recently in November.

    Pak, the North Korean naval official, said his country had no reason to sink the Cheonan.

    "Our Korean People's Army was not founded for the purpose of attacking others. We have no intention of striking others first," he told APTN. "Why would we attack a ship like the Cheonan, which has no relation with us? We have no need to strike it, and doing so would have no meaning for us."

    Investigators from the five-nation team said detailed scientific analysis of the wreckage, as well as fragments recovered from the waters where the Cheonan went down, point to North Korean involvement.

    Torpedo fragments found on the seabed "perfectly match" the schematics of a North Korean-made torpedo Pyongyang has tried to sell abroad, chief investigator Yoon Duk-yong said. A serial number on one piece is consistent with markings from a North Korean torpedo that Seoul obtained years earlier, he said.

    "The evidence points overwhelmingly to the conclusion that the torpedo was fired by a North Korean submarine," he said. "There is no other plausible explanation."

    Pak, the North Korean military official, dismissed it as faked evidence.

    "If there were indications that the sinking was our doing, then the whole thing is an act — theatrics by the South Koreans to implicate us," he said.

    The colonel spoke to APTN outside another foreign warship: the USS Pueblo, seized by North Korea in a high-seas hijacking in 1968. The American captain and crew were held for 11 months before being freed.

    Towed to Pyongyang in 1999, the ship is popular tourist sight, a floating museum moored along the Taedong River that showcases North Korea's naval exploits.

    Pak, a 55-year veteran whose uniform was bedecked with medals, said he was among those who helped capture the USS Pueblo more than four decades ago.

    Alrighty, so North Korea is being completely unreasonable again. What's your opinion on the matter?
     
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  • They almost certainly won't go to war over this. If the investigators say N. Korea sank the ship then I'm inclined to accept that as what happened. I can't imagine why the North would try to provoke the South and all its allies so I'd guess it was an act of desperation: cause an incident in which they are the obvious target to blame so when the accusations come they can do the wounded pride act they like so much so they can make excuses for stopping negotiating over their missiles and nukes.
     

    Evee dude86

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  • North Korea's aggressive posturing and continual propaganda campaign all are a typical of a Communist regime. I'm really starting to think that even most in the N. Korean Army don't believe their own BS anymore. They know damn well that their military is large, but technologically backwards, and decrepit, not @ all a match for South Korea or US.

    Unlike US, N. Korea REALLY IS largely a paper tiger. They know better, they're just tryna bully their way into more food aid for a nation that perfectly displays the utter failures of the ideological JOKE that is Communism.

    All that said, I support the total liberation of N. Korea from that oppressive, deranged, bullying dictatorship ASAP.
     
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  • North Korea's aggressive posturing and continual propaganda campaign all are a typical of a Communist regime. I'm really starting to think that even most in the N. Korean Army don't believe their own BS anymore. They know damn well that their military is large, but technologically backwards, and decrepit, not @ all a match for South Korea or US.

    Unlike US, N. Korea REALLY IS largely a paper tiger. They know better, they're just tryna bully their way into more food aid for a nation that perfectly displays the utter failures of the ideological JOKE that is Communism.

    All that said, I support the total liberation of N. Korea from that oppressive, deranged, bullying dictatorship ASAP.
    You do realize that North Korea has nuclear weapons. Another reason that South Korea is treading softly is that Seoul is well within artillery range of North Korea.
     
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  • You do realize that North Korea has nuclear weapons. Another reason that South Korea is treading softly is that Seoul is well within artillery range of North Korea.

    North Korea is nuclear capable, but they have no range to their nuclear weapons unless they are placed into bombers. They didn't do so well with the rocket propelled nuclear arms, last I checked.
     

    Jacob77

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  • I'm hoping for the better that there wont be a bloodbath ,the fact is it doesnt matter how many "Free nations" that supports SKorea , there will always be a Russia and China playing with their fists if a war erupts in Korea.
    I consider the Nkorean acts as an act of terrorism. And I'm not hoping for a world war atm ... I mean look at the blood baths of say africa ... Rwanda if I remember correctly , hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people getting killed, US and UN couldnt do anything because of China and Russia not wanting them to intervene ... Atm it looks dark ...

    (Btw I hate most of the commentaters on Yahoo .. Most of these are either spoiled brats or just sheer idiots ... I mean , I read on the article of the 46 dead Skorean , and someone commented " It happens all the time over there! Why would we care? Give us news fgs!" ... -.-)
     

    Richard Lynch

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  • Unlike US, N. Korea REALLY IS largely a paper tiger. They know better, they're just tryna bully their way into more food aid for a nation that perfectly displays the utter failures of the ideological JOKE that is Communism.

    All that said, I support the total liberation of N. Korea from that oppressive, deranged, bullying dictatorship ASAP.

    I do want to keep this on topic, but I just want to say that Communism is not an ideological joke. In fact, if ever done right, Communism is the ideological pinnacle of economics. Don't blame the theory, blame the people who are too greedy, power-hungry and stupid to not be able to get the theory right.

    And, you may want to read up on this, but never once does Marx mention a dictator, or a sole power holder. The power holder, in Marxian Communism, is the people; everyone. So in that sense, we have never seen Communism in action. What we have seen, though, is purely Authoritarian, which is not what Marx envisioned.
     

    dc_united

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  • Unlike US, N. Korea REALLY IS largely a paper tiger. They know better, they're just tryna bully their way into more food aid for a nation that perfectly displays the utter failures of the ideological JOKE that is Communism.

    They're not even a Communist country dude... they just pay lip service to the ideology. More like a theocracy really, since every North Korean gets a stiffy over the 'Great Leader'.
     

    Yuukihime

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  • They warned against war of South Korea, I believe. But we have U.S. troops over at the border of NKorea and SKorea (or so I've heard). My English teacher thought they warned of World War, but I highly doubt NKorea has the resources to do that.

    And guys mind keeping things civil? D;
     

    Tinhead Bruce

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  • I do want to keep this on topic, but I just want to say that Communism is not an ideological joke. In fact, if ever done right, Communism is the ideological pinnacle of economics. Don't blame the theory, blame the people who are too greedy, power-hungry and stupid to not be able to get the theory right.

    And, you may want to read up on this, but never once does Marx mention a dictator, or a sole power holder. The power holder, in Marxian Communism, is the people; everyone. So in that sense, we have never seen Communism in action. What we have seen, though, is purely Authoritarian, which is not what Marx envisioned.

    Blame humanity. The way we are, Communism will never truly work as it was intended. You can say all you want on how great Communism is in theory, but so is farting rainbows. They're both great in theory, but will never work because of how humans work.
     

    Yingxue

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  • Blame humanity. The way we are, Communism will never truly work as it was intended. You can say all you want on how great Communism is in theory, but so is farting rainbows. They're both great in theory, but will never work because of how humans work.

    This.

    Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    (or something like that)
     

    twocows

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  • I doubt anything will come of this. North Korea's "allies" have no interest in going to war; China's statement stressed the importance of "peace on the Korean peninsula." If North Korea ends up trying to start something, nobody's going to back them up.
     

    Ivysaur

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  • North Korea is just trying to keep their citizens controlled by exciting their nationalist feelings, and the best way to do so is reviving for a bit the Korea War (actually, North and South Korea started a war in 1950 or so and they never ended it, they just took a break).

    If North Korea trully attacks South Korea, they'll have absolutely no support from anywhere, since the last thing China wants is having an open war on their border, and I doubt they'll dare to support their ally, NK, when the US, which are around a million times more economically interesting allies for China, will jump in to support SK.
     

    Guillermo

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  • South Korea and North Korea have been at war for decades, it wouldn't change much. The only big problem is the fact that North Korea have nuclear weapons, and could no doubt take out more than South Korea if used.

    North Korea doesn't need allies to wage war on South Korea.
     
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