Old Gen vs. New Gen

[xAntwuan Fobisx]

Do you guys like the Older Generation of Pokemon or the Newer Generation of Pokemon?

Older Generation all the way for me!! Better memories, look better, and it wasnt over kill with all of the pokemon

 

[PalkiaSpace]

this is gonna start a crazy argument over gen 4 sucking. lol

but i cant decide. they both have their highs and lows.


~noooostalllllgaaaaaaa~

 

[xAntwuan Fobisx]

I dont know much about the newer generation of pokemon so I dont have a lot of room to argue about it, but I can say that the older pokemon look sooo much better than the newer ones.

 

[Zeta Sukuna]

Newer gen ftw. I love the designs of almost every pokemon, sans Manaphy. Memories seems to be the key word in all of these thinly veiled anti 4th gen threads, but maybe I'm wrong.

And technically, the newer generations look better, unless you like the overall look of the first and second gens over the appearance of the appearance of the games in the third and fourth gens, but I assume you mean pokemon.

And what's overkill? Pokemon should have a lot of such. They're animals with superpowers, and there should be many species, to fill in different niches. To add variety, and to diversify the species.

The storylines were a bit out there, but so what? It's a land where a giant lizard can spit fire, and rats can shoot lightning. I'd think that would be a little weird. They have a little leeway when it comes to ridiculous storylines, because the concept, in and of itself, is completely ridiculous.

Pokemon designs. That's completely a matter of opinion. Everyone hates on Probopass, but I love its design. Everyone says it's unoriginal. Original =/= good. The 4th gen was original, and in my opinion good. The first gen designs, were unoriginal. There were some, like Scyther, Alakazam, and Charizard that were good, but what about...

Voltorb/Electrode
Magnemite/Magneton
Koffing/Weezing
Grimer/Muk
Exeggcute
Doduo/Dodrio
Growlithe/Arcanine
Diglett/Dugtrio
Caterpie/Weedle

These are unoriginal. They look good, but are either imports of other pokemon (Growlithe/Arcanine) have Cerberus syndrome (Dugtrio, Dodrio, Magneton) or are simply pokeballs brought to life. (Voltorb/Electrode)

While they look good, they aren't the most original. I'm tired of hearing that the later generations aren't 'original', because they're a lot more original then the first gen. You likely mean that they aren't good. Just say that, unless you're referring to the fact that they aren't like the originals... but really, with a lot of people, not everyone, mind you, but a lot of you blinded by nostalgia goggles, so you're probably expecting them to look more like exported animals, but they have to move on.

Overall, I like the latter generations, but I seem to be in the minority. It's sad, because soon, Generation 5 will come out, and it will be hated by a lot of people. I'm not saying it might be hated, I'm saying that it will. And it's for the same reason Generation 3 is hated, the same reason Generation 4 is hated, and that is unfortunate, really.

But maybe I'm wrong, and I'm just being negative. Maybe I'll be surprised by the reaction to the fifth gen. But I doubt it.

I said my piece, and I will not reply any farther on this thread.

 

[Gary Oak FTW]

Gen 1 and 2 for nostalgia and 3 and 4 for everything else.

 

[Daeva Okami-Luca]

I prefer the Older Pokemon themselves, but the newer games in general have more replay value. So I'm a tad bit torn.

 

[dr4g0n12]

I am half and half. The 4th generation made the metagame more offensive, but the old pokes look better, and sometimes are stronger.

 

[Drapionmaster]

For one thing, new gen is better because of Drapion. And I guess Salamence, Duskinor, Gliscor, Garchimp, and Feraligtr. Unless you are saying Johto is also old Gen, but still most of my favs are in the newer gen.

So new gen, all the way.

 

[TheReal]

Gen 1 and 2 for nostalgia and 3 and 4 for everything else.

I'm an old school and that said all ;)

 

[Kirbychu]

People these days still believe in segregation. :P

Why must we separate the generations? Sure, Kanto and Johto were cool and all but can't we stop saying how much the 4th gen sucks? The arguments haven't risen yet, but they are sure to come. I like all the generations, and I don't think any of them are bad. I'm not trying to offend anyone, if for some strange reason this post angered you.

 

[jasonresno]

I like the older gen but let me clarify before you crucify me for being a "NOSTALGIAFREAK". The NEW games are way better than the old games. The new animation for the anime is better as well...

...With that said: The older gen had more personality (both game wise and anime wise) and the writing for the anime was much better as well. I watched a few of the older episodes and was surprised at all of the innuendo and the over the head adult humor that was hidden in there.

 

[xAntwuan Fobisx]

Newer gen ftw. I love the designs of almost every pokemon, sans Manaphy. Memories seems to be the key word in all of these thinly veiled anti 4th gen threads, but maybe I'm wrong.

And technically, the newer generations look better, unless you like the overall look of the first and second gens over the appearance of the appearance of the games in the third and fourth gens, but I assume you mean pokemon.

And what's overkill? Pokemon should have a lot of such. They're animals with superpowers, and there should be many species, to fill in different niches. To add variety, and to diversify the species.

The storylines were a bit out there, but so what? It's a land where a giant lizard can spit fire, and rats can shoot lightning. I'd think that would be a little weird. They have a little leeway when it comes to ridiculous storylines, because the concept, in and of itself, is completely ridiculous.

Pokemon designs. That's completely a matter of opinion. Everyone hates on Probopass, but I love its design. Everyone says it's unoriginal. Original =/= good. The 4th gen was original, and in my opinion good. The first gen designs, were unoriginal. There were some, like Scyther, Alakazam, and Charizard that were good, but what about...

Voltorb/Electrode
Magnemite/Magneton
Koffing/Weezing
Grimer/Muk
Exeggcute
Doduo/Dodrio
Growlithe/Arcanine
Diglett/Dugtrio
Caterpie/Weedle

These are unoriginal. They look good, but are either imports of other pokemon (Growlithe/Arcanine) have Cerberus syndrome (Dugtrio, Dodrio, Magneton) or are simply pokeballs brought to life. (Voltorb/Electrode)

While they look good, they aren't the most original. I'm tired of hearing that the later generations aren't 'original', because they're a lot more original then the first gen. You likely mean that they aren't good. Just say that, unless you're referring to the fact that they aren't like the originals... but really, with a lot of people, not everyone, mind you, but a lot of you blinded by nostalgia goggles, so you're probably expecting them to look more like exported animals, but they have to move on.

Overall, I like the latter generations, but I seem to be in the minority. It's sad, because soon, Generation 5 will come out, and it will be hated by a lot of people. I'm not saying it might be hated, I'm saying that it will. And it's for the same reason Generation 3 is hated, the same reason Generation 4 is hated, and that is unfortunate, really.

But maybe I'm wrong, and I'm just being negative. Maybe I'll be surprised by the reaction to the fifth gen. But I doubt it.

I said my piece, and I will not reply any farther on this thread.

First off, never said that I'm anti anything. If you looked down to my second post, I said that I dont know much about the newer gens so i dont have room to argue about, and, therefore, bash it in any way.

Also, you can't say that "technically" the new generation looks better, because thats "technically" a matter of opinion. As for the overkill thing, I personally feel that it was cool that they hinted at more undiscovered pokemon, but went kind of over the top with the vast amount of newer pokemon and similar ones for that matter (i.e. bulbasaur/chikorita, squirtle/totdile). Thats where the unoriginality comes into play. Was it cool, kind of. Original.... not really.

And how can you say that the ORIGINAL, first generation Pokemon are UNoriginal? They're the first generation lol I can see how some of them migh have been like "Oh cool, an electric ball (see Voltorb/Electrode)" but you can't say that the ORIGINAL part of anything, is unoriginal. Doesn't make much sense.

One more thing, I dont think you have the room to say I'm blinded by nostalgia. I never said anything about the newer generations because I know nothing about it. Therefore, I'm not blinded by nostalgia, I was just thrown off, like many other people, by the look of the newer generation of pokemon.

People these days still believe in segregation. :P

Why must we separate the generations? Sure, Kanto and Johto were cool and all but can't we stop saying how much the 4th gen sucks? The arguments haven't risen yet, but they are sure to come. I like all the generations, and I don't think any of them are bad. I'm not trying to offend anyone, if for some strange reason this post angered you.

never said 4th gen sucks....................

 

[RivalGator]

I can pretty much say without a doubt that generation 2 is my favorite in every way, shape and form. And if HeartGold and SoulSilver weren't coming out, I would have no problem whatsoever in saying, 'Older generation, please!' but now that HG/SS is coming out, I am quite torn.

...But I'll go with older generation because I was very happy and excited with G/S/C as a child. I couldn't have asked for a better game back then. Unlike most people, I don't go for games just because they 'look good', or they have 'good designs'. I like them for what they are. If they have a good storyline, awesome. Good characters, awesome. I don't give two shits about looks. lol. Story and villains have to be good and you got my vote.

 

[Crimson Arcanine]

Each generation has brought us both pokemon that are original and those within a shred of true originality. Personally, my least favorite generation was the 3rd generation. but unlike my brother who quit playing due to the 3rd generation pokemon, I'm one not to judge a generation as a block, but I try to judge by the individual achievements/pokemon/features regardless of what "generation" it hails from.

And with the 5th "generation" approaching I will attempt to judge the individual qualities and pokemon that make it up, not as a whole. Mind you I'm not perfect (as you can see from my mention of my least favorite generation being the 3rd).

 

[Zeta Sukuna]

I know I said I wasn't going to reply, but I might as well clear the air. If I offended you, I apologize.

First off, never said that I'm anti anything. If you looked down to my second post, I said that I dont know much about the newer gens so i dont have room to argue about, and, therefore, bash it in any way.

Also, you can't say that "technically" the new generation looks better, because thats "technically" a matter of opinion. As for the overkill thing, I personally feel that it was cool that they hinted at more undiscovered pokemon, but went kind of over the top with the vast amount of newer pokemon and similar ones for that matter (i.e. bulbasaur/chikorita, squirtle/totdile). Thats where the unoriginality comes into play. Was it cool, kind of. Original.... not really.

And how can you say that the ORIGINAL, first generation Pokemon are UNoriginal? They're the first generation lol I can see how some of them migh have been like "Oh cool, an electric ball (see Voltorb/Electrode)" but you can't say that the ORIGINAL part of anything, is unoriginal. Doesn't make much sense.

One more thing, I dont think you have the room to say I'm blinded by nostalgia. I never said anything about the newer generations because I know nothing about it. Therefore, I'm not blinded by nostalgia, I was just thrown off, like many other people, by the look of the newer generation of pokemon.

I didn't see your second post, because I was writing and finished after you put it up, so I couldn't see it.

I was talking about technical terms, I know it's via perception, I wasn't thinking when I wrote that. It is graphically superior, but it is in the eye of the beholder.

There are similar animals in nature, so it is understandable that some appear similar, and have similar characteristics. As long as they aren't ripping off designs from previous gens for new pokemon, then it's okay.

Just because it was the first generation, doesn't mean that they couldn't be more original. I'm not saying redesign them, nor do I want them to. They look good, but they are unoriginal. However, I do understand that it was their first attempt with it, but I don't understand why they used the Cerberus treatment. With Dodrio, it made sense, but they could have done better with the others.

I know a lot of people aren't blinded by nostalgia. I didn't say you specifically, but there are people that are. This thread just seemed like the usual thinly veiled anti-4th gen, but if you really haven't seen them, then that isn't the case. Sorry if that offended you.

And you can say that the original part of something is unoriginal. You can't change it, and it doesn't need to be changed, but you can say it. Like I said, I love all the pokemon designs, except Manaphy, which means that even the ones that have Cerberus syndrome, or Frankenstein syndrome (Voltorb/Electrode). I'm not knocking them, but if it comes off like that, then I apologize.

I wish not to start an argument, so may we drop this? I was wrong about a couple of things, my bad.

 

[xAntwuan Fobisx]

I know I said I wasn't going to reply, but I might as well clear the air. If I offended you, I apologize.



I didn't see your second post, because I was writing and finished after you put it up, so I couldn't see it.

I was talking about technical terms, I know it's via perception, I wasn't thinking when I wrote that. It is graphically superior, but it is in the eye of the beholder.

There are similar animals in nature, so it is understandable that some appear similar, and have similar characteristics. As long as they aren't ripping off designs from previous gens for new pokemon, then it's okay.

Just because it was the first generation, doesn't mean that they couldn't be more original. I'm not saying redesign them, nor do I want them to. They look good, but they are unoriginal. However, I do understand that it was their first attempt with it, but I don't understand why they used the Cerberus treatment. With Dodrio, it made sense, but they could have done better with the others.

I know a lot of people aren't blinded by nostalgia. I didn't say you specifically, but there are people that are. This thread just seemed like the usual thinly veiled anti-4th gen, but if you really haven't seen them, then that isn't the case. Sorry if that offended you.

And you can say that the original part of something is unoriginal. You can't change it, and it doesn't need to be changed, but you can say it. Like I said, I love all the pokemon designs, except Manaphy, which means that even the ones that have Cerberus syndrome, or Frankenstein syndrome (Voltorb/Electrode). I'm not knocking them, but if it comes off like that, then I apologize.

I wish not to start an argument, so may we drop this? I was wrong about a couple of things, my bad.

Stuff your sorries in a sack, I wasnt offended in any way, shape, or form. You said which generation of Pokemon you liked best which was the purpose of this topic. I agree with you that some of the newer generation of pokemon are pretty sweet looking, but I have some pretty high standards for things I grew up with that change over time, especially things I enjoyed (Pokemon, Yugioh). Both have changed over time which is fine. I couldnt imagine where the Pokemon franchise would be, if it were to be anywhere, if it had kept the original 151 Pokemon.

All in all, I'm just a much larger fan of the Older Gen of Pokemon than the new one.

 

[Katie_Q]

While I love all gens, I like the newer gens. Hoenn is my most fav. of all. On the memories side of things, I do have plenty of good memories with the older gen, but I have the most memories with hoenn. It's when my school had a pokemon craze, so I had a bunch of pokemon friends, it was when I used to get with my friends and play pokemon games with our toys, when I went and bought heaps of games, toys, dvds etc., When I started to really get into pokemon heaps, and when I beat emerald (first game I'd beaten).

The whole designs are better in my opinion. The game layout, of course is better, and the pokemon designs are great. Some of the designs aren't that good, but i don't think mr. mime or jynx were either. I think the kanto was just a bit to simple. Don't get me wrong, its an awesome gen, and a lot pokemon from kanto are NOT all that simple. And even the simple ones look sweet as.

Though, i think the older anime was better then the newer stuff (I've watched episodes from each gen recently). They need to cut ashes and pikachu's show and start a new one. There's no more character development to be done. It was funny and interesting when ash was a newbie and was learning to be a trainer, now he knows it all. He needs to win the pokemon league or something and then they can start a new adventure. (5th gen., new trainer with a kanto pokemon as a starter= me likey!)

My fav. gens are 3rd, 2nd, and a tie between 4th and 1st.

If I offended anyone, didn't mean to. All of what i wrote is just my opinion, and not everyone will agree with me. Anyway, there's my 2 cents. Bye!

 

[CliveKoopa]

I love all the generations. I prefer the older generations the best though (Kanto and Johto) and a mix of Hoenn and Sinnoh.

 

[インフェルノの津波]

I'm neutral about them all. I like all Pokemon (Except Drowzee. I cannot stand it!), really.

Except I like Johto and Hoenn more then Kanto and Sinnoh. I guess it's because they revolutionized Pokemon, whereas Kanto brought Pokemon to us, and Sinnoh...is well a Hoenn copy. Sorry.

 

[Timbjerr]

If we're talking about the design of the pokemon themselves, the series peaked in GenII and GenIII. While there are some gems in GenIV (Drapion, Rotom) in GenIV, as a whole, it's bogged down by other crap (Lickilicky, Tangrowth, Magmortar, Probopass, Magnezone).

In terms of gameplay, each successive generation improves on the last vastly, especially the jump from GenII to GenIII. this tends to makes the games more in-depth and more fun to replay. (I know this may be taboo to most of you, but I've beaten and replayed my Pearl version at least five times by now).

The storylines get a little over-the-top in GenIV, but you can at least appreciate the darker tone the series is trying to take (although I have no idea why beating a loony like Cyrus in a pokemon battle is supposed to sway him from his evil deeds XD).

Overall, every gen has its pluses and minuses, and you have to look at everything as a whole to truly judge the games. :D