OMG Hard Metagame [OU RMT]

[Ooka]

-RAPE MY TEAM-

*image removed* (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Nature: Jolly
- Taunt
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Roost

This guy is here to Taunt leads and hit stuff hard. I had SR on it, but Gliscor counters twice the amount of Pokemon with SE + Earthquake than it would with just one or the other. It helps out with Meta, Hera, Luke, Aero, etc. I could get rid of Taunt for Stealth Rock, or even just get rid of Gliscor period, however, it does help against quite a large amount of Pokemon.

*image removed* (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Atk / 116 SDef
Nature: Careful
- Pursuit
- Sucker Punch
- Protect
- Toxic

This guy is really the star of my team, whether you'd believe it or not. If you'd seen any of my previous RMTs, you'll know that I always have favored Spiritomb over things like Dusknoir or Gengar, so I really want to keep this. I opted for Toxic over WoW because I have Gliscor to hurt Luke. Besides, all I ever end up doing with WoW is powering up Heatran, and although I can't hurt it with Toxic, it won't be doing as much damage without the power-up. Also, I don't ever end up finding a good chance to use Pain Split, and when I do, it's very rare, so due to this, I've got Protect. It helps to heal up with Leftovers, as well as help with damage dealt by Toxic. Pursuit and Sucker Punch are a great combo, and with STAB and the attack EVs, this guy finishes a lot of Pokemon. Pursuit works great for Alakazam, Azelf, and occasionally Gengar, unless it feels like attacking, as they can't really do much to him.

*image removed* (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Chlorophyll
EVs: 188 Def / 252 Spd / 68 SDef
Nature: Jolly
- Leech Seed
- Encore
- Substitute
- Aerial Ace

This guy is awesome. It out speeds Infernape and 2HKOs with Aerial Ace, so if they switch in just expecting Leech Seed or something, they'll have a rude awakening. It also out speeds Roserade and 2HKOs, so again, when they think they're going to get just a Leech Seed, they find out differently. Encore lets me counter CroCune, and just helps out with any Pokemon setting up in general, barring a move that raises speed. Substitute makes it easier to predict, and helps when they try to paralyze me (Very occasionally), I get myself a free turn. Leech Seed works great to stall things out of HP, and is pretty standard on Jumpluff.

*image removed* (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 4 Spd / 92 SDef
Nature: Calm
- Surf
- Grass Knot
- Stealth Rock
- Knock Off

This guy doesn't really help much, although when he goes against the right team, he ends up taking out most of it. He sets up SR, and counters Kingdra, which I would otherwise have some trouble with. Surf is for STAB, Grass Knot for coverage, and Knock Off is just filler.

*image removed* (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spd
Nature: Adamant
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- U-turn
- Pursuit

Scizor is just amazing. Anything that Spiritomb can't finish off, this guy will usually take care of. Pursuit hurts things like Blissey, although I usually don't bring it in unless I know the Bliss lacks Flamethrower. U-Turn just hits everything hard, and is great for scouting, and Superpower is not only extremely strong, but great for coverage. Bullet Punch is the main part of this set imo, it finishes everything that Spiritomb can't, like I said before. Things like Weavile (I know what you're thinking, but I've actually seen a couple using this team) that Spiritomb can't handle he can take out. It also works great for non-Bibiri Berry Tyranitar.

*image removed* @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Nature: Timid
- Recover
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Surf

Starmie takes on stuff like Infernape if Jumpluff doesn't get the jump on him. He also counters most of the Pokemon that nothing else can, so he's very vital to the team. Thunderbolt is for Gyarados, and Ice Beam for Dragonite and Salamence. Recover for survivability, and Surf for STAB and coverage.

So, I'm thinking about going for the RS EVs on Starmie's set without RS, since it just doesn't seem to be able to take anything. Scizor works great, so I don't have any problems there. Like I said before, Empoleon doesn't really do much at all, but when he does it helps. If you want to suggest a replacement, I'll consider it, although I need SR on the team somewhere. Jumpluff, again, is great. Spiritomb works great, so yet again, he's fine. Gliscor doesn't really last long, even with Roost and Leftovers, and people usually skip using SR to just finish him off. He's pretty weak to common leads, or at least what I've faced so far.

Threat List:
Aerodactyl - Gliscor takes it's attack fine and hits back with SE. Scizor can BP other versions.
Alakazam - Spiritomb can Sucker Punch or Pursuit. Scizor can OHKO with BP.
Azelf - Spiritomb can Sucker Punch or Pursuit. Scizor can hit hard with BP.
Breloom - Jumpluff can come in and Encore it into Substitute, Seed Bomb, Focus Punch, or just all around counter it and kill with AA.
Dragonite - Spiritomb can WoW physical versions and wear it down. Scizor can BP for some good damage. Starmie can Ice Beam.
Electivire* - Gliscor can outrun and hit with EQ
Empoleon- Gliscor can outrun the lead version and hit with EQ. Scizor can Superpower
Flygon - Spiritomb can WoW and wear it down. Jumpluff can come in on Earthquake. BP from Scizor hurts it.
Gengar - Spiritomb can Pursuit or Sucker Punch. Empoleon can come in on Scarfed or Spec'd versions. Scizor can kill with BP and SR will negate Focus Sash.
Gyarados - Spiritomb can WoW it. Starmie can Thunderbolt.
Heatran - Gliscor can outspeed SR and Sub versions and hit with EQ. Starmie can Surf.
Heracross - Gliscor takes it's attacks and hits with SE. Jumpluff can come in on most of it's attacks. Bullet Punch hurts, although not quite enough.
Infernape - Gliscor can beat non HP-Ice versions. Jumpluff can outspeed and AA. Bullet Punch can hurt it quite a bit. Starmie can Surf.
Jirachi* - Gliscor can hit hard with Earthquake, although it doesn't like taking a Trick. Empoleon can take on physical sets.
Kingdra* - Empoleon can take on the non-HP Elec ones. Starmie can Thunderbolt or Ice Beam.
Latias - Spiritomb can Pursuit or Sucker Punch. Scizor can Pursuit or BP. Starmie can Ice Beam the non-LO sets.
Lucario - Gliscor can take on SD versions. Spiritomb can switch in on a Choiced Aura Sphere or CC.
Mamoswine - Scizor can BP for SE damage. Starmie can Surf.
Metagross - Gliscor can take it's attacks and hit hard with Earthquake.
Porygon-Z - Scizor can BP. Empoleon can come in on Scarfed Tri Attack or Dark Pulse.
Salamence - SR + BP from Scizor hurts it quite a bit. Starmie can Ice Beam.
Scizor - Gliscor can take it's attacks and hit with SE. Spiritomb can come in on Banded Superpowers or Brick Breaks.
Snorlax - Gliscor can Taunt and hit with EQ. Scizor can hit with Superpower for an OHKO.
Suicune - Jumpluff can Encore CMing sets. Scizor can hit hard with Superpower. Starmie can Thunderbolt.
Tyranitar - Gliscor can hit hard with EQ. Scizor can BP or Superpower.
Zapdos - Gliscor can take on versions without HP Ice with SE. Starmie can Ice Beam.
Thanks to Pokedra for the threat list and format.
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[Dark Azelf]

Massive Life Orb Gyarados weakness, OHKO's everything after a boost, including Starmie. Its pretty easy for it to set up on Scizor locked into something silly too.

574 Atk vs 206 Def & 261 HP (100 Base Power): 260 - 306 (99.62% - 117.24%) <--A DD LO EQ/Stone Edge vs Starmie.

Heatran also 6-0's you with ease, 2hkoing Empoleon most of the time with sr up and even Starmie despite the resitance to Fire Blast.

Get something more bulky (put in Vappy or something, since Wish support goes along way for this team) and beats Tran and Gyara for you better whilst still covering ape >>> Stamie imo.

Also how do you beat SD Scizor ? It outspeeds Empoleon and does like ~85% to both Gliscor and Starmie with Bullet Punch alone with SR up and heaven forbid if it packs Roost too. o__o

Defensive Rotom-A would be better >> Tomb imo who quite frankly is inferior to the Rotoms, especially with no Pain Split. Rest/Talk/W-O-W/Discharge is an awesome set and screws many things up and helps this team with status.

Also max speed does nothing on Glis, 216 speed to beat Lucario and then the remaining 42 in def plz.

Heh Forry would work over Scizor and then you have a pretty decent stall team. XD Actually you are probably best off doing full stall since this is way too balance and lacks a clear objective that and since this team would benefit from additional Spikes and Rapid Spin support. Payback/Spikes/Rapid Spin/EQ max hp + s.def @ Relaxed Forry is a pretty neat set increasing your sp.def durability by 42% and only losing ~19% def durability. Payback nails the Rotom formes nicely.

Id also use Roar on Empoleon to shiffle spikes through their team and Ice Beam >> G-Knot, because your team doesnt fear pert and you NEED to hit Latias and mix mence and mence locked into rage.

Glis
Emp
Vappy
Rest Talk Rotom-A
Forry
Pluff

Would work quite well imo.

Just some thoughts here.

 

[Ooka]

Well, I like the idea of getting rid of Starmie, and i know it sounds stupid, but Spiritomb wins me most of my battles (By finishing off stuff). So I'm more keen on keeping that one around, however, I'll do some testing with Rotom and see what the results are.

So Starmie is out, and Forry is in over Scizor I suppose, although if it doesn't work out, I'll switch it back.

Um, Could I do something else for Roar and get Empoleon out of the team? It just doesn't seem to work well at with my current set up. Hopefully something that hurts Kingdra, but that isn't necessary.

 

[Jimmyray]

I laaaav the SubPetaya Empoleon method. I see problems with Gyara and Heatran in this team. Also I would put Stealth Rock on Gliscor, and like I said before, go for a SubPetaya Empoleon.

 

[Ooka]

Well, I don't have room for SR on Gliscor, but I guess I could get rid of Taunt. And I want a Pokemon to replace Empoleon and still be able to Pseudo-Phase.

 

[No you fail]

bulky suicune with roar could act as a phazer

 

[Chaostorm]

Well, I don't have room for SR on Gliscor, but I guess I could get rid of Taunt. And I want a Pokemon to replace Empoleon and still be able to Pseudo-Phase.

Mixpert w/Roar would work ? I dunno , just a suggestion

and yeah , SR > Taunt would be good

 

[Ooka]

Mixpert sounds pretty good, although I'm trying to find a Sp. Attacking Pokemon to take his place.

 

[Jimmyray]

Suicune and Vaporeon come to mind. Perhaps even Tentacruel? Then you would be able to get some sort of spike/toxic spike support?

 

[Pokedra]

Thanks to Pokedra for the threat list and format.

Anyways shift 42 EV's from Spe to Def on Gliscor, max speed doesn't get you anything :P

I'd suggest either Standard 252 HP / 188 Def Bold Rotom-H or the Restalker set >>> Spiritomb, it's generally more useful and will help you against your SD Scizor weak.

Perhaps put a Suicune >>> Starmie, something like this could work. It can psedo-phaze and is a special attacker like you want and will help your Gyara weak.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Nature : Bold
EV : 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
- Calm Mind
- Surf
- Hidden Power [Electric] / Ice Beam
- Roar

Just a couple of pointers.

 

[Sebastien Loeb]

Choice Scarf-Heatran in combo with Stealth Rock destroys this team, alone Starmie is not enough since it suffers HP Elettric.

 

[Ooka]

I've already switched Starmie out for Vaporeon, and Heatran never beats that. (I actually end up beating most Heatrans with Jumpluff, haha. When they sub (usually) I'll Encore them, then they switch out, and when they come back in, I just LS them :P